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My Imaginary GF posted:They should be! Yeah, Israel with its proximity to the North Atlantic Ocean after all. Turkey shouldn't be either
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It also doesn't help that you can probably just say that Obama hasn't changed that much, it was the Republicans. They got infinitely crazier and instead of holding their hand and saying why they were wrong, the only appropriate response is to say "what the gently caress" and laugh at them.
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Nov 29, 2015 07:02
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hobbesmaster posted:Yeah, Israel with its proximity to the North Atlantic Ocean after all. Turkey is not a Democratic nation which shares the values of NATO. If Turkey were a nation applying to NATO at the present time, their membership would be rejected with good cause.
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Nov 29, 2015 07:06
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Logikv9 posted:It also doesn't help that you can probably just say that Obama hasn't changed that much, it was the Republicans. They got infinitely crazier and instead of holding their hand and saying why they were wrong, the only appropriate response is to say "what the gently caress" and laugh at them. Maybe Obama should let Congress have input upon who is allowed to be a citizen, as the Founders intended, rather than calling them cowards afraid of grannies. Congress ain't afraid of grandmas, its afraid that Obama is proceeding too swiftly with plans to resettle scores of individuals dependent upon the public dole which Congress is responsible for reauthorizing and funding every year.
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Nov 29, 2015 07:08
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My Imaginary GF posted:They should be! hahahahaha hahaha haha Oh MIGF, never change.
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Nov 29, 2015 07:10
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That article is migf the article.
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Nov 29, 2015 07:16
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I know Trump think pieces are a dime a dozen, but this one is pretty goodFrank Rich posted:In the short time since Trump declared his candidacy, he has performed a public service by exposing, however crudely and at times inadvertently, the posturings of both the Republicans and the Democrats and the foolishness and obsolescence of much of the political culture they share. He is, as many say, making a mockery of the entire political process with his bull-in-a-china-shop antics. But the mockery in this case may be overdue, highly warranted, and ultimately a spur to reform rather than the crime against civic order that has scandalized those who see him, in the words of the former George W. Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson, as “dangerous to democracy.”
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One thing I'm still not quite clear on - what is a no fly zone supposed to do?
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My Imaginary GF posted:Turkey is not a Democratic nation which shares the values of NATO. If Turkey were a nation applying to NATO at the present time, their membership would be rejected with good cause. What do you think the values of NATO are?
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Nov 29, 2015 07:28
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hobbesmaster posted:One thing I'm still not quite clear on - what is a no fly zone supposed to do? Severely reduce Assad's power to slaughter his own population with helicopters & jet bombers, probably. Also start a war with russia? not sure if that's seen as a pro or a con.
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Whoops, looks like we celebrated too soon about that stupid conservative kid:quote:“Right now, the best candidate tackling race relations that I, with my beliefs could get behind, is [Florida Sen.] Marco Rubio,” Pearson told TheBlaze, adding that he doesn’t see himself working for any other campaigns this presidential cycle. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/11/27/13-year-old-viral-sensation-c-j-pearson-disavows-conservatism-heres-who-hes-now-supporting/
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The New York Times posted:And it was also in 2012 that Mr. Obama warned the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, that using chemical weapons would cross a “red line.” Yet when Mr. Assad did just that, Mr. Obama did nothing. Seems I'm having a Rashomon moment here, because that's not the way I remember it. But of course that's what the Republican Party wants us to believe so it's easy to say that and not get any scrutiny whatsoever because "the truth is in the middle"!
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Nov 29, 2015 07:32
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PleasingFungus posted:What do you think the values of NATO are? 1. Commitment to free and fair elections 2. Commitment to freedom of the press 3. gently caress Russia, but not too much The order of these may change at times, depending upon the administration. Clearly, Obama's administration is a break from tradition.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:Seems I'm having a Rashomon moment here, because that's not the way I remember it. Obama didn't follow through on his redline, ergo he did nothing. That's the way the American people understand what happened. DemeaninDemon posted:That article is migf the article. Thank you, thank you very much.
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Nov 29, 2015 07:34
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PleasingFungus posted:Severely reduce Assad's power to slaughter his own population with helicopters & jet bombers, probably. Also start a war with russia? not sure if that's seen as a pro or a con. Russia appears to be more than willing to bomb Assad's people for him so I guess we can just skip straight to Fallout 4 LARPing.
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Mr Interweb posted:Whoops, looks like we celebrated too soon about that stupid conservative kid: why does anyone give a gently caress what a 13 year old thinks?
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hobbesmaster posted:Russia appears to be more than willing to bomb Assad's people for him so I guess we can just skip straight to Fallout 4 LARPing. Unlike Turkey, Russia is also willing to kill ISIL. nerve posted:why does anyone give a gently caress what a 13 year old thinks? Well, it depends --- do they have trustfunds from which they can do either an ACH or wire transfer? If so, I respect their opinion, and especially the opinion of the parent which controls their accounts. I understand that their contributions were made of their own free will and will have a signature on file stating such.
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an important thing to remember about the 'Tea Party is tearing the GOP apart' narrative is that we got the exact same message four years ago, when, hey, an overwhelming majority of the party was united against romney. Surely the establishment was doomed! Except that it turned out GOP voters didn't actually dislike romney, they just weren't that excited by him. When it came time to vote, they rallied solidly behind their candidate, just as usual. are trump's voters actually committed to him, and opposed to the establishment, or will they fall in line when the time comes, too?  vs  I don't know for certain. Trump is a genuinely unique candidate, and conventional wisdom has been very consistently wrong about him so far. But I wouldn't bet on the GOP tearing itself apart on his behalf, one way or another.
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My Imaginary GF posted:1. Commitment to free and fair elections See, I'm pretty sure that the values of NATO are (1) Contain Russia. It's why the organization was founded, and what its capabilities are suited to. How do you think that Obama is breaking from tradition? He's not the one who invited Turkey into NATO, AFAIK.
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PleasingFungus posted:How do you think that Obama is breaking from tradition? He's not the one who invited Turkey into NATO, AFAIK. He shouldn't have placed America in a position where it is aligned with a neo-Ottoman dictator.
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Nov 29, 2015 07:51
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Logikv9 posted:is this the same kid that faked a obama twitter blocking? They engraved a B into the back of his iPhone, ruining its resale value forever.
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My Imaginary GF posted:He shouldn't have placed America in a position where it is aligned with a neo-Ottoman dictator. If only Obama had used Project Pegasus one last time to to travel to London on October 22, 1951 to stop the signing of The Greece-Turkey Protocol, we wouldn't be in this mess! Thanks, Obama.
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Logikv9 posted:It also doesn't help that you can probably just say that Obama hasn't changed that much, it was the Republicans. They got infinitely crazier and instead of holding their hand and saying why they were wrong, the only appropriate response is to say "what the gently caress" and laugh at them. Who are we to say really.
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ComradeCosmobot posted:If only Obama had used Project Pegasus one last time to to travel to London on October 22, 1951 to stop the signing of The Greece-Turkey Protocol, we wouldn't be in this mess! Thanks, Obama. If only Obama had told Erdogan to cut that poo poo, like arming, financing, and facilitating ISIL, out or else, and followed through on the or else.
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quote:The president flippantly dismissed worries about the vetting process despite the fact that, as James R. Clapper Jr., the director of national intelligence, said in September, the possibility that the Islamic State might infiltrate operatives among Syrian refugees is “a huge concern of ours.” Oh hey can everyone pay attention to this quote for a second? I know I'm quoting poo poo written by MIGF, but still. This is a brilliant example of spin in this country. I love this sentence. I love it dearly. It is a wonderful sentence because it shows just how malleable words, the story and the truth are. It's not wrong! Clapper absolutely said that IS operatives could potentially be among Syrian refugees. And it sounds scary, a man of authority suspecting wolves among the sheep. Chilling. Except one problem. James Clapper posted:America’s top spy said Wednesday that U.S. intelligence officials have a “huge concern” about Islamic State’s ability to infiltrate waves of Syrian war refugees flowing into Europe and potentially the United States as pressure mounts on Western nations to take in a growing number of people fleeing the conflict in the heart of the Middle East. drat look at what context does to that! Turns out that Clapper is okay with the US vetting process, but is uncertain our European allies are up to snuff! And the best part, the cherry on the sundae, is that MIGF's quote absolutely fits this context too. But by itself, it sounds scarier. And your mind jumps to a conclusion which was not Clapper's intention. And the reporter knew you would, and intended you to do this when they wrote their article. It's insidious. Seraphic Neoman fucked around with this message at 08:26 on Nov 29, 2015 |
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SSNeoman posted:Oh hey can everyone pay attention to this quote for a second? I know I'm quoting poo poo written by MIGF, but still. This is a brilliant example of spin in this country. How can you say your understanding of Clapper's intent is more informed than a New York Times' columnists'? Further, it sounds like you do not think that there was anything factually incorrect in that bit of reading, only that the tone ain't what you wish it was.
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greatn posted:I'm so glad the guys on SGU, which I think I'd the best science news and skeptical podcast, don't give Harris or Dawkins the loving time of day or any lip service at all. It probably helped that Dawkins spend considerable time attacking their note former co-host for being uptight.
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My Imaginary GF posted:How can you say your understanding of Clapper's intent is more informed than a New York Times' columnists'? It's not a question of understanding, dude. The NYT piece deliberately re/de-contextualises what Clapper said to give it a significantly different implication.
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My Imaginary GF posted:How can you say your understanding of Clapper's intent is more informed than a New York Times' columnists'? I admit, I'm impressed how quickly you find a way to turn around and disagree with people in that slightly-but-not-quite inflammatory way regardless of the subject. I admire your dedication to your craft.
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Hollismason posted:Okay I got Carson literally saying that " This shooting would have been prevented if the Planned Parenthood people had not sold dead baby parts". Meet the Press drinking game: "baby parts," "domestic terror," chug while Trump's on
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So we were talking about abortion a few pages back and it did make me curious: where in the Bible DOES is talk about abortion? I know the whole homosexuality thing has been referenced constantly in Leviticus, but I don't recall conservatives ever really referring to any specific part of the bible when it comes to abortion.
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Mr Interweb posted:So we were talking about abortion a few pages back and it did make me curious: where in the Bible DOES is talk about abortion? I know the whole homosexuality thing has been referenced constantly in Leviticus, but I don't recall conservatives ever really referring to any specific part of the bible when it comes to abortion. Aside from lots of talk about the merits of infanticide, hardly at all iirc It's why you hear rumblings every so often about making an Americanized version of the Bible to eliminate awkward questions like that
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Mr Interweb posted:So we were talking about abortion a few pages back and it did make me curious: where in the Bible DOES is talk about abortion? I know the whole homosexuality thing has been referenced constantly in Leviticus, but I don't recall conservatives ever really referring to any specific part of the bible when it comes to abortion. Jesus was born without sin because his mom was a virgin. Everyone else is born with sin and need to be saved. Basically there are HUGE lines in purgatory and we're just trying to make things run more efficiently okay?
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Mr Interweb posted:So we were talking about abortion a few pages back and it did make me curious: where in the Bible DOES is talk about abortion? I know the whole homosexuality thing has been referenced constantly in Leviticus, but I don't recall conservatives ever really referring to any specific part of the bible when it comes to abortion. Jeremiah 32:35 is the verse anti-choicers quote claiming abortion is a sin. It never mentions abortion, but sacrificing living children to the god Molech. Otherwise, abortion is never mentioned in the bible. https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Jeremiah+32:35
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Maybe they base their opposition to abortion on the hadith (jk that's to the left of the mainstream GOP on abortion)
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Jeremiah 32:35 is the verse anti-choicers quote claiming abortion is a sin. It never mentions abortion, but sacrificing living children to the god Molech. Otherwise, abortion is never mentioned in the bible. In my experience, far more often it's sorta mashing a bunch of poo poo together. What ends up being quoted a ton is the whole "I knew you when you were in the womb" or whatever, which is then used to form the argument of "SEE THEY'RE BABIES EVEN AT DAY 1," which is then followed up by the whole no murdering thing.
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ProfessorCirno posted:In my experience, far more often it's sorta mashing a bunch of poo poo together. What ends up being quoted a ton is the whole "I knew you when you were in the womb" or whatever, which is then used to form the argument of "SEE THEY'RE BABIES EVEN AT DAY 1," which is then followed up by the whole no murdering thing. Jeremiah 1:5. They use that one too. Both verses are out of context, but one talks about killing babies and the other talks about God knowing fetuses so that must mean God doesn't like abortion. Never mind the church didn't object to abortion until people started developing effective birth control.
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