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Astro Nut posted:Another nice episode, with further exploration of the family dynamic. Caring for folks isn't just keeping them physically safe, but also letting them properly rest, relax, and enjoy themselves. I suppose I'm less put off by stuff like the drinking since I'm British and we kinda have a skewed standard on that sort of thing. Some interesting questions though on to what extent the Tekkadan boys may actually be growing as 'men', or simply chasing social masculine ideals without real regard for what those things mean, or if they're healthy for them. Yeah, I continue to be super-suspicious of the form of masculinity these kids are pursuing, though Naze and McMurdo being so nice, generous, and reasonable this episode (plus Amida's little conversation with Atra) did nothing but frame it positively. Still up in the air, I think. Another cool thing - they've been using greenery as a sign of wealth all-series, so of course one of the most powerful men in the solar system flies around in a gigantic spaceborne garden-city.
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Wasn't sure if they were the space mafia or the space yakuza but when he ordered in cannoli the answer was made clear.
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Nov 29, 2015 14:48
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So yeah, that's another episode where it's heavily hinted that Yamagi has feelings for Norba. Really hope it's not just "I want him to be my brother" stuff. 
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Nov 29, 2015 15:19
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Confirmed that McGillis being engaged to a kid wasn't a one-off joke. Not surprised, but does confirm he's either way high on the social plane or his family is trying to get into one.
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Nov 29, 2015 15:37
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I like how Atra, who can't afford real meat, also thinks it's cruel.
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Nov 29, 2015 16:36
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That blonde woman who just showed up in this episode, I am reasonably sure is some sort of special agent, they would not give a character multiple lines to randomly say one thing and then go away.
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Nov 29, 2015 17:16
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Ryand-Smith posted:That blonde woman who just showed up in this episode, I am reasonably sure is some sort of special agent, they would not give a character multiple lines to randomly say one thing and then go away. Yeah, I'd peg either her or Fumitan as the Gjallarhorn spy, and Fumitan's probably working for someone else since none of her suspicious activity has ever really seemed to help Gjallarhorn.
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Nov 29, 2015 17:20
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Kudelia is easily the weakest link in a show that otherwise has a strong main cast. She's just not believable as the leader of the Mars independence movement. She's previously shown herself to be naive about the lives of most Martians, which is somewhat fine by itself (though such person should have a thorough intellectual understanding of the plight of the average Martian from an academic perspective, even if they don't "get it" in a guttural sense), but this and previous episodes have demonstrated that her political skills are just as poor. I think her characterization could have been a lot stronger if they'd made her even slightly competent.
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Nov 29, 2015 17:29
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Next episode the frogs show up. I wonder if their gimmick is heavy armour. It'd be interesting if they the Guspion or whatever it was called was nigh-impervious to physical damage, at least the first few times. I'm also hoping the candyman capitalises on the Barbatos's weaknesses the next time they fight. Playing a game of keepaway would be smart against a melee-oriented suit.
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Nov 29, 2015 17:31
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Kudelia seems like the type of person that is most effective in a wide macro-level, but any details on the micro-level is what cripples her until she learns to deal with it. I mean to be fair, very few are on the level of Treize that can handle both sides while keeping their ideals.
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Nov 29, 2015 17:34
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Hidingo Kojimba posted:Yeah, I'd peg either her or Fumitan as the Gjallarhorn spy, and Fumitan's probably working for someone else since none of her suspicious activity has ever really seemed to help Gjallarhorn. I would say Fumitan is more likely the Gjallarhorn spy, if only because she's already in a position to do something. It's simple enough to have Gjallarhorn mysteriously know which back road route they're taking next episode (and there hasn't really been a better opportunity for them to use her information yet anyway). "Mysterious lady they meet for one brief scene" is certainly being set up for something more important later down the road, but it's hard to imagine how valuable she'd actually be as a spy. Like, what could she possibly tell them?
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Nov 29, 2015 17:34
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Kudelia is a pretty young figurehead who hasn't quite figured out that she is mostly decorative. Once she does, she can try to be more.
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Nov 29, 2015 17:42
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This show might have my favorite use of the ending song kicking in since Ano Hana. Orphans namida...
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Nov 29, 2015 19:17
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I recommend watching JoJo's for truly glorious ending song cuts, especially the first few episodes. This was another good episode. It really seems like everyone in Tekkadan knows their situation could fall apart if they make one wrong move - and I'm not even sure Orga realizes how big the results of their transport run could be. Wonder how Mikazuki would feel about being responsible in part for starting a war indirectly, since while he's clearly not against killing he treats it as a personal thing.
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Nov 29, 2015 19:27
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I really hope there's some kind of twist with the Yakufia because otherwise I'm kind of disappointed. They just sort of showed up and then everything went great, they got tons of money, everyone treated them fantastically well, Barbatos got a free full upgrade, and in general it felt like everyone was uncommonly kind of the Tekkadan for very little effort. I'm sure there is more than meets the eye but it just went so smoothly it felt kind of unnatural to me. I appreciate the character building this episode though.
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Nov 29, 2015 19:39
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Well, they're being used, but they know they're being used so it's okay. The Juvian Yakuza knows they're going to end up in a war with Gjallarhorn sooner or later, and wants to make sure they end up on the right side of history by claiming credit for Kudelia's escort. The whole thing reeked of "you kids are gonna die for our power struggle, but if you're cool with that then so are we." Actually, didn't they make it pretty explicit that this episode was about Kudelia pulling the trigger on the war and setting in motion events that would definitely kill a bunch of kids?
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Nov 29, 2015 20:04
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a kitten posted:This show might have my favorite use of the ending song kicking in since Ano Hano Having the ending theme kick in early and reusing the first theme song in the climactic battle are two things that get me very excited for a show.
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Clarste posted:Well, they're being used, but they know they're being used so it's okay. The Juvian Yakuza knows they're going to end up in a war with Gjallarhorn sooner or later, and wants to make sure they end up on the right side of history by claiming credit for Kudelia's escort. The whole thing reeked of "you kids are gonna die for our power struggle, but if you're cool with that then so are we." Actually, didn't they make it pretty explicit that this episode was about Kudelia pulling the trigger on the war and setting in motion events that would definitely kill a bunch of kids? Between that and Don McMurdo the Canoli king giving the Barbatos a tune up with no budget really just reeks of "Hey you've go at a really powerful weapon there and I wanna make sure you can use it when poo poo goes down that way you might at least do something useful before you die for us." ZenMasterBullshit fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Nov 29, 2015 |
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Nov 29, 2015 20:15
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Clarste posted:Well, they're being used, but they know they're being used so it's okay. The Juvian Yakuza knows they're going to end up in a war with Gjallarhorn sooner or later, and wants to make sure they end up on the right side of history by claiming credit for Kudelia's escort. The whole thing reeked of "you kids are gonna die for our power struggle, but if you're cool with that then so are we." Actually, didn't they make it pretty explicit that this episode was about Kudelia pulling the trigger on the war and setting in motion events that would definitely kill a bunch of kids? This is definitely the impression I'm getting.
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Nov 29, 2015 20:17
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Yeah. The boys got all the fun and booze and sworn brother ceremony but it was Kudelia who had to make the biggest call this time. Teiwaz has no reason to be assholes to them but it was made clear that they mean to profit from the coming war, and she decided both that she was fine with that and that there was going to be a war coming with her name on it. Also, this is the  est Gundam crew and every episode makes me fear for their lives even more 
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Shakugan posted:Kudelia is easily the weakest link in a show that otherwise has a strong main cast. She's just not believable as the leader of the Mars independence movement. She's previously shown herself to be naive about the lives of most Martians, which is somewhat fine by itself (though such person should have a thorough intellectual understanding of the plight of the average Martian from an academic perspective, even if they don't "get it" in a guttural sense), but this and previous episodes have demonstrated that her political skills are just as poor. I think Kudelia will wind up being one of the strongest characters in the show. At least, she has the potential to be. Right now she's a fancy figurehead, little more than a face attached to a talking point. Gjallarhorn isn't really freaking out over because of that fact. In this episode she is bluntly confronted with the fact that the only path available to her now is war. Figurehead or not, she's making a choice with lasting ramifications for much more than just Tekkadan. She might grow up pretty damned fast once Gjallarhorn stops playing around and the war officially starts. Or she'll just cry every episode from here on out and little else. Hard to say with Gundam, but with this show I'm optimistic!
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Double posting is dumb. Wu Tang is for the children.
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Nov 29, 2015 20:29
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I'm really wondering how outside writers got like 4 episodes of no combat (2 in a row) before the show's even reached episode 10 in a 25 episode season. And Barbatos's gimmick is in jeopardy if they're already giving him his "Final form."
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Nov 29, 2015 20:30
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Tae posted:I'm really wondering how outside writers got like 4 episodes of no combat (2 in a row) before the show's even reached episode 10 in a 25 episode season. It really is crazy, isn't it. I watched the preview last week and I was sure that at the very least they were going to try and shoe-in the start of a new fight this week simply because I could not believe that IBO was going to get away with spending 4/9 episodes with zero mobile suit combat.
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Nov 29, 2015 20:33
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this is definitely my favorite episode yet, getting to see a lot of the characters (not just the main cast) move forward/open up in a lot of different ways. Mikazuki taking a shine to kanji and worrying about whether he should've been proactive, Yoruba's crush running into obstacles, Orga being unable to hold his liquor and working through his role as leader, and Ride's cute moment on the cusp of growing up. i'd like to know a bit more about Fumitan though, and Kudelia seems fine but doesn't interest me personally, yet. i hope next week does give Atra (maybe Akihiro too?) some focus because that seems like the biggest problem for her so far, though her thoughts on meat this episode were cute.
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Nov 29, 2015 20:47
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Tae posted:I'm really wondering how outside writers got like 4 episodes of no combat (2 in a row) before the show's even reached episode 10 in a 25 episode season. I guess whatever the model division was smoking a couple of years ago when we got some crazy kits has been passed to Sunrise.
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Caught up on the last two episodes and I'm really liking the series' direction overall. Steady worldbuilding and character development and they haven't thrown in any unnecessary fights yet so there's room for other things to progress. I'm still waiting for something terrible to happen though because Tekkadan has been very fortunate so far. As far as characters I'm interested in Naze and his backstory. He went from potential antagonist to big brother of the gang in the span of three episodes. And because his situation has some parallels to Orga's (Both have their literal or metaphorical families on the line being the main one right now), plus how their relationship has formed thus far; it's good to see Orga get a mentor figure in his life as things start to escalate. Even better because Naze isn't offering to handle Orga's mistakes and is keeping the pressure and responsibility for decision making where it belongs. Astro Nut posted:So some minor world building details: Clarste posted:I like how Atra, who can't afford real meat, also thinks it's cruel.
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Shakugan posted:Kudelia is easily the weakest link in a show that otherwise has a strong main cast. She's just not believable as the leader of the Mars independence movement. She's previously shown herself to be naive about the lives of most Martians, which is somewhat fine by itself (though such person should have a thorough intellectual understanding of the plight of the average Martian from an academic perspective, even if they don't "get it" in a guttural sense), but this and previous episodes have demonstrated that her political skills are just as poor. The space mafia guy mentioned a specific economic policy Kudelia is pushing. We don't know anything about her skills as a politician because we haven't actually seen it. We've been in Tekkadan's wheelhouse the whole time. Once they get to Earth, I assume we'll see her do actual political stuff, instead of just all the character growth and horizon expanding she's been going through so far Tae posted:Confirmed that McGillis being engaged to a kid wasn't a one-off joke. Not surprised, but does confirm he's either way high on the social plane or his family is trying to get into one. Yeah, I totally thought they were just kidding around when it was first brought up. That's disappointing.
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Nov 29, 2015 21:36
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This show has some issues (bad mech designs, Kudelia needs to do more, harem ship is mad stupid, etc) but seems pretty cool so far. Can I get a rundown of everything goons hate about it?
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Nov 29, 2015 21:46
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Rodyle posted:This show has some issues (bad mech designs, Kudelia needs to do more, harem ship is mad stupid, etc) but seems pretty cool so far. Some goons are upset that Kudelia hasn't done enough yet, that the show presented a polygamous relationship in a positive light, and that the entire show is blatantly fascist propaganda.
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Rodyle posted:This show has some issues (bad mech designs, Kudelia needs to do more, harem ship is mad stupid, etc) but seems pretty cool so far. things they hate: anime things they like: anime
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Serious Frolicking posted:things they hate: anime Hm, yes, as expected.
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boom boom boom posted:The space mafia guy mentioned a specific economic policy Kudelia is pushing. We don't know anything about her skills as a politician because we haven't actually seen it. We've been in Tekkadan's wheelhouse the whole time. Once they get to Earth, I assume we'll see her do actual political stuff, instead of just all the character growth and horizon expanding she's been going through so far Not really disappointing. We already know that the solar system is in the grasp of a decadent, corrupt, and generally hosed-up aristocracy, so arranged marriages between adults and children to secure political alliances are pretty much to be expected. This is not a show that pulls its punches. See also, drunken kids heading off to a brothel to lose their virginities before they go to war.
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Darth Walrus posted:Not really disappointing. We already know that the solar system is in the grasp of a decadent, corrupt, and generally hosed-up aristocracy, so arranged marriages between adults and children to secure political alliances are pretty much to be expected. This is not a show that pulls its punches. See also, drunken kids heading off to a brothel to lose their virginities before they go to war. It's disappointing to me because I thought that scene was just fun character building, establishing the two guys as close friends. I liked that, and I was disappointed to find out that the scene was something different, even if it's appropriate for the show or leads to future character or narrative development or whatever.
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boom boom boom posted:It's disappointing to me because I thought that scene was just fun character building, establishing the two guys as close friends. I liked that, and I was disappointed to find out that the scene was something different, even if it's appropriate for the show or leads to future character or narrative development or whatever. It was very obviously both.
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I still like the brother's attitude about it. "I feel sorry for you buddy, you'll have to put up with THAT brat." I mean, yeah, child marriages are kind of horrible and everything, but they're reasonably chill about it, as you'd expect from a culture where it's considered appropriate.
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Rodyle posted:bad mech designs 
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McGilli's background having a very regal and high-society type arranged marriage doesn't change anything for his character, so I'm not too bothered. Confirming that confirms he's more of a nepotism guy than a up-and-comer, though he seems to want to make his reputation. Not sure what's objectively bad about Naze's crew other than self-loathing anime attitude. If they're secretly slave laborers, then they're evil but we haven't come across that boat yet or ever.
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Man Akihiro has pro league dreams all over him. The next episode preview shows that it's well intended, but I hope all his work pays off and he becomes the monster ace he wants to be.
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If we're gonna double post, I'm gonna at least add content: Sure only gjallerhorn can make reactors, but can jupiter make the laminate armor that easily?
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