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Is there any way to just watch, without joining the hangout itself?
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 01:23 |
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Chrungka posted:Is there any way to just watch, without joining the hangout itself? Yup, just come on and listen, just keep your mic off. =)
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 01:25 |
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Caros posted:Just a reminder for anyone who wants to come and laugh at libertarians for a while. hi i'm the guy who joined late and chimed in about the sodomy laws in texas
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 01:52 |
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Sorry I had to bounce early from the podcast, but life finds a way to interfere. Paragon pm me how you want me to send my audio.
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 02:20 |
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Who What Now posted:Sorry I had to bounce early from the podcast, but life finds a way to interfere. Paragon pm me how you want me to send my audio. Life happens
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 02:21 |
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Caros posted:Life happens Yeah, this wife is super ill and is sending me out into the cold Michigan winter night to forage for medical supplies like its the Walking Dead. Also she needs cookies. And since you losers don't put out and she does the choice was obvious.
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 02:25 |
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Thanks to everyone who participated. I'll PM you guys about how to get me the audio. Hope to have something up by next weekend at the latest!
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 03:43 |
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You can fix most of my "uhmmm"'s and "ahhhh"'s in post, I hope. Apologies for breaking the English language once again, not a native speaker, etc. etc. etc.
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 03:51 |
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GunnerJ posted:So, this is an old point but the question of employee ownership and workplace democracy still interests me. Don't hold your breath. I responded in depth with exactly that being one of the points I made: I posted:Your position was "A problem with "democracy" and all forms of collective ownership either of the factory or of public spaces is that use for such resources is heavily constrained by the need for consensus to act. If all workers owned factories together, endless meetings and deliberations would be required to make any decisions about the use of capital and production. Furthermore, conflict is enhanced rather than reduced. Who would REALLY have the final say on the use of collectively owned property?" Caros even pointed out that Jrod really should answer my post. When no response was incoming I posted trying to get him to respond to that single post more than once. All I got for my trouble was him saying [url=http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3745862&userid=102626#post452905754]"Yeah, it kind of would be good if I could respond to these kind of posts, that's why I want to debate"[/quote] and then doing nothing to answer the points raised or (presumably) to actually involve himself in a debate.
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 10:47 |
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I missed the thing. Can you please add me to the PM list?
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 11:28 |
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Smash, how can you seriously expect the finest libertarian thinker of his generation to respond to your errant and inconsequential post when he needs to illuminate is on which male celebrities he most looks like, because he's super hot?
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 14:41 |
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Since I'm apparently in nostalgia mode today, I'll remind everyone that our old standard rejoinder to most/all libertarian treatises was: "on the other hand, all of recorded history." Sometimes I am sad I was not around for SA's shitposting heyday but it's probably more entertaining in retrospect than it was at the time.
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 15:08 |
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team overhead smash posted:Don't hold your breath. I responded in depth with exactly that being one of the points I made: Ah, but did you bait him with accusations of racism that he "totally is not interested in discussing because it's been done to death and there are more substantive issues, but *10k words*"? Seriously though, I don't really expect much more (if anything) than a longwinded "well that may be so but doesn't matter, my first premises are correct so whatever" with maybe a dash of PUT DOWN THE GUN. This thread and its predecessor are kinda weird like that. I only spend time writing something if it's satisfying in some way regardless of whether sempai notices me or not.
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 15:17 |
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:Sometimes I am sad I was not around for SA's shitposting heyday but it's probably more entertaining in retrospect than it was at the time. Yeah, it's better remembered than endured to be honest.
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 18:04 |
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Well as one old-school, massively overweight, and questionably hygienic prostitute aficionado once said, Oh my God, that thread links a von Mises article praising Somalia's Libertarian Warlordism. I guess Somalia isn't a strawman argument after all, tribal warfare is Von Mises Institute approved
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 20:33 |
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VitalSigns posted:Oh my God, that thread links a von Mises article praising Somalia's Libertarian Warlordism. Oh, you don't have to go back to 2006 to find a mises article praising Somali totally-not-warlordism. quote:Economists familiar with the Rothbardian tradition have taken the analysis even further, persuasively arguing that Somalia is much better without a state than it was with one. The standard statist put-down — "If you Rothbardians like anarchy so much, why don't you move to Somalia?" — misses the point. The Rothbardian doesn't claim that the absence of a state is a sufficient condition for bliss. Rather, the Rothbardian says that however prosperous and law-abiding a society is, adding an institution of organized violence and theft will only make things worse. quote:What is particularly amusing is the complaint that businesses currently must pay private security firms to guard their goods. Well, a government police and court system won't work for tips — they too will need to be financed, but through involuntary taxation. As with any monopoly, the government's provision of a "justice system" will be more expensive — other things being equal — than the provision through private, competing agencies. quote:I have answered the generic "warlord objection" to anarchy elsewhere. Regarding Somalia in particular, Ben Powell et al. have done fantastic work analyzing Somalia before and after its transition to statelessness, and also comparing its fate with similar African nations. Their conclusion is that — of course — stateless Somalia is no paradise, but its lack of a corrupt, brutal government has given it an advantage over its former self and its current peers.
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 20:43 |
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I don't think hired security in Somalia is exactly competing for your patronage. It's more like a "pay us or die" kind of ultimatum.
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 21:56 |
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Your Dunkle Sans posted:I don't think hired security in Somalia is exactly competing for your patronage. It's more like a "pay us or die" kind of ultimatum. Well that doesn't make any sense. As we know, coercive violence only comes from state entities and anyway if a private actor was so belligerent toward their customers surely those customer would patronize someone el-*is clubbed, tossed into the trunk of a Lada, and later burned alive*
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 22:11 |
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Captain_Maclaine posted:
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 22:21 |
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Anticheese posted:I missed the thing. Can you please add me to the PM list? Sorry you missed it! If there's any consolation, we hope to do this again. Probably to talk about bitcoins and such.
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# ? Nov 30, 2015 23:44 |
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Oh god I am so down for bitcoin talk like you wouldn't believe
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 01:12 |
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paragon1 posted:Sorry you missed it! If there's any consolation, we hope to do this again. Probably to talk about bitcoins and such. Can we amend a couple of minutes to Eripsa's fever dream Synereo? Because I have been waiting to laugh about that for a while.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 01:17 |
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Caros posted:Can we amend a couple of minutes to Eripsa's fever dream Synereo? Because I have been waiting to laugh about that for a while. Tell you what, we'll call it a generalized Currency and Crazy People talk so we'll do that and goldbugs too. But first I need the audio from you guys from last time! No rush though, I know you're all busy.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 01:34 |
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Qualnor and happyelf discussed on the same page! Good times. Come back, Jrod, you'll be in good company
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 02:12 |
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Captain_Maclaine posted:Oh, you don't have to go back to 2006 to find a mises article praising Somali totally-not-warlordism. So...the arguement is that stateless-Somalia is better than brutal-dictatorship Somalia? I mean..okay, I guess. No one is saying that states never go wrong, just that they're less likely to wrong and to not go as wrong as stateless societies. Way to strawman. Also.. theshim posted:Yes they do. Does Rothbard(ianism?) claim this (stateless = bliss) as a universal truth? Can you link to a relevant article? I just really want to see if even Jrod's writers are contradicting themselves as badly as he is.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 03:29 |
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Jrod believes all states are inherently
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 03:42 |
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paragon1 posted:Tell you what, we'll call it a generalized Currency and Crazy People talk so we'll do that and goldbugs too. I was busy last time and still a little hesitant about the whole concept, but you guys seemed to enjoy the last one so consider me provisionally interested in the next one. Caros posted:Can we amend a couple of minutes to Eripsa's fever dream Synereo? Because I have been waiting to laugh about that for a while. It's a mild pity thanksgiving is over, as his thoughts on the optimal way to plan that dinner are...interesting to say the least. Buried alive posted:So...the arguement is that stateless-Somalia is better than brutal-dictatorship Somalia? I mean..okay, I guess. No one is saying that states never go wrong, just that they're less likely to wrong and to not go as wrong as stateless societies. Way to strawman. From their perspective, all states are equally bad due to the immorality inherent within their involuntarist structures and all that poo poo.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 04:10 |
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Captain_Maclaine posted:
GO ON
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 04:21 |
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Oh seriously, you never heard Eripsa's "brilliant" ideas on how Thanksgiving dinner could only be properly planned by a creepy uncle with unlimited surveillance powers (rather than, you know, just asking people what they might actually want for side dishes)? Man, are you in for a treat! quote:You are correct that everyone has individual preferences. The point isn't to predict them from scratch, but to anticipate them from models generated by their past behavior. If I have the history of the meals you've eaten over the last year, there will be patterns that emerge that will allow us to predict what you will likely eat next year. This is why I've emphasized the importance of human computation in this thread, because these problems can be (and are routinely) solved by brains, and that reduces the computational load that is carried elsewhere.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 04:31 |
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paragon1 posted:Jrod believes all states are inherently Captain_Maclaine posted:From their perspective, all states are equally bad due to the immorality inherent within their involuntarist structures and all that poo poo. Oh..I was hoping it would be something more interesting than "deontology, therefore states are immoral." Attention economy sounds a lot like the weak dictatorship if the weak dictatorship were also benevolent and omniscient.
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# ? Dec 1, 2015 05:50 |
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I took one of those Facebook polls about "which candidate do you side with the most." Typically, I could tell you right off the bat as I'd take these things like a test clicking the "right" answers that I "learned" from my grandparents and listening to talk radio. Today, I actually thought a bit about each answer and how I feel about the issues now, and I got...Rand Paul. gently caress. (I got Bernie Sanders as number two by 1 percentage point; not sure how that works besides "this isn't a scientific poll"). I'm going to try this again and see if I can guess jrode's answers, see what I get. My best guess at jrode with a Top 5: Rand Paul Ted Cruz Carly Fiorina Ben Carson Donald Trump CovfefeCatCafe fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Dec 1, 2015 |
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Buried alive posted:I know that's what Jrod-of-the-market-god believes (we seriously need a better nickname than Jrodimus Prime) I was wondering what Rothbard's take is. But you repeat yourself!
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 00:03 |
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Wait, how the gently caress can a place be both "stateless" and "law-abiding" at the same time?
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 00:08 |
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EndOfTheWorld posted:Wait, how the gently caress can a place be both "stateless" and "law-abiding" at the same time? Think of the terms and conditions of your phone plan, all the restrictions and requirements and the payments you have to make and the various things you are enabled to do and your god-given right to sign up with a new phone company if you don't like your current one. Now imagine that instead of phone service providers, we're talking about governments. Ancap law in a stateless society works the same way.
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 00:14 |
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EndOfTheWorld posted:Wait, how the gently caress can a place be both "stateless" and "law-abiding" at the same time? Contract law apparently exists independent of any instituting entity, as if birthed from the very farts of Ludwig von Mises himself.
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 00:17 |
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GunnerJ posted:Think of the terms and conditions of your phone plan, all the restrictions and requirements and the payments you have to make and the various things you are enabled to do and your god-given right to sign up with a new phone company if you don't like your current one. Now imagine that instead of phone service providers, we're talking about governments. Ancap law in a stateless society works the same way. Imagine four warlords on the edge of a cliff...
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 00:33 |
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paragon1 posted:Sorry you missed it! If there's any consolation, we hope to do this again. Probably to talk about bitcoins and such. Count me in for that, bitcoins are an endless source of amusement
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 01:20 |
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YF19pilot posted:I took one of those Facebook polls about "which candidate do you side with the most." Typically, I could tell you right off the bat as I'd take these things like a test clicking the "right" answers that I "learned" from my grandparents and listening to talk radio. Today, I actually thought a bit about each answer and how I feel about the issues now, and I got...Rand Paul. gently caress. It's strange, but I get along much better with the small government type conservatives who are actually honest with themselves, rather than garden variety conservatives like Carly or Jeb!, who talk a big game about small government, but actually just mean eradicating the welfare state to feed a police state and sponsor imperialism. As a social democrat, I find myself in non-aggression pacts with libertarian-leaning conservatives pretty frequently. The same can be said, I think, for many leftists. We tend to find libertarians of a certain stripe much more agreeable than conservatives. Not extremists like jrod and his ilk, though.
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 04:09 |
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Show me an honest libertarian and I'll show you a drat chump.
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# ? Dec 2, 2015 18:29 |
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:As a social democrat, I find myself in non-aggression pacts with libertarian-leaning conservatives pretty frequently. I don't. This is complete bullshit.
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