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I drink a lot of water when drinking likker and it makes all the difference. I've never understood why the alcohol delivery mechanism affected how drink one got or how badly hungover. Please can someone explain why wine alcohol affects me differently to beer alcohol.
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...it's almost as though liquor, wine and beer affect people differently based on sugar content, hydration, tolerance, how much food they ate, digestion, ABV of their beverages, mood, size, weight, how fast they drank, etc. SO CRAAAAAAAZY!!!
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Nov 30, 2015 10:25
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I can drink gin and tonics all day long. I also regularly do 5+ shots of tequila within the span of an hour and been good. 2 shots of tequila and 1 gin and tonic wrapped me around a toilet while my friends weren't looking (and then later couldn't find me cause I was hiding in a stall). So yeah, at least in some people, never ever mix.
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Nov 30, 2015 11:00
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MAKE NO BABBYS posted:...it's almost as though liquor, wine and beer affect people differently based on sugar content, hydration, tolerance, how much food they ate, digestion, ABV of their beverages, mood, size, weight, how fast they drank, etc. SO CRAAAAAAAZY!!! How does mixing them affect hangovers? Apparently it doesn't, at least not because anything intrinsic in the mixing per se: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20140428-does-wine-beer-huge-hangover http://theconversation.com/mondays-medical-myth-mixing-drinks-causes-hangovers-5055 http://www.diffordsguide.com/encyclopedia/2014-09-18/530/bws/does-mixing-drinks-cause-a-worse-hangover First three google results. Having reread my post, yes, of course different alcohols affect people differently. But what I never understood (or accepted) was that mixing drinks somehow magically led to a worse hangover, like there was some kind of negative synergy to mixing that made a hangover worse. therattle fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Nov 30, 2015 |
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Nov 30, 2015 11:49
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I'm thinking it's at least partway anecdotal but also uncomparable samples. On nights where I've been drinking beer, wine, mixed drinks, shots, etc, odds are I've been drinking in a much less, umm, let's say controlled manner than when enjoying a few good bottles of wine. That night when someone suggested Tequila slammers to follow our beer and whisky adventure, you know, the one where I woke up in the backseat of a bus that had been depot'ed, wearing someone else's shirt, a McDonalds cap (also not mine) and with the name "Susanne" written in permanent marker all over my arms and neck, feeling like my head and intestines had had an unfortunate liaison with a heavy-duty excavator? That night when I polished off a bottle and a half of good tequila with a good friend? We weren't slamming them back, we were drinking sedately and enjoying the process. We still got slobbering-I-love-you-man-no-really-I-love-you-drunk, but, yeah, the hangover was not one you had to use the Richter scale to measure. Comparable as far as amount of alcohol intake, I'm sure. Not comparable samples when factoring in everything else.
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Nov 30, 2015 14:45
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No magic synergy, but more in the not managing things in terms of overall ABV and absorption rates or in terms of mixers. I always feel 1000x worse when I don't eat, or some shots sneak up on me an hour later or I drink a lot of sugary mixers.
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Nov 30, 2015 15:31
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I've never been presented with a satisfactory mechanism that would explain how the interaction between impurities in different alcoholic beverages can intensify your bad experience at the end. It's like Dane said – to mix 3 or 4 different alcohols, you have to have at least 3 or 4 drinks. It's only possible to truly drink moderately if you only have one or, at most two different sorts of beverages. Spread all these experiences over a population of people and you're more likely to get worse hangovers when you're mixing alcohols and less likely when you're not. But since nothing compares with the power of stupid idiosyncratic anecdote when it comes to discussing booze culture, I'll add that all my wickedest hangovers come when I've made a massive bowl of punch and a few too few people show up to join me, because I almost immediately lose track of how much I've had to drink and I feel compelled to try and finish the bowl.
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Nov 30, 2015 18:30
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Mixing drinks doesn't gently caress me. Its total number of drinks. Its why I stay away from beers above 7%. If Im in a beer drinking mood Ill have 4 or 5 of those fuckers. And at 9%+ Ill get just drunk enough that drunk spoon thinks a gin martini and a tequila shot sounds righteous.
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Nov 30, 2015 18:52
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A couple things that will significantly worsen your hangover that are dependent upon the types of alcohol drunk: 1. Sulfites in red wine. If you're drinking wines with a higher sulfite content (no clue of the concentrations for this) they can make things feel worse. 2. Certain liquors will have a higher concentration of ethyl acetate in them. This is a co-distillate with ethanol in the distillation process and the "heads" heavy spirits will contain more and can cause a more severe hangover. Hydration and eating will help with all of these, but these are things in different types of booze that can worsen effects. No real evidence that I can see for why mixing types of drinks will make things any worse though. Probably has more to do with getting a buzz on something you wanted to drink, then ending up drinking a lot more of something you probably wouldn't have been drinking otherwise.
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Nov 30, 2015 18:59
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Sulfites in red wine are a non issue barring extreme disorders necessitating extreme dietary restrictions. Just as a comparison, a single dried fruit has like 3 or 4 bottles worth of sulfites in it. Sulfite headaches are actually unproven medically, and less than 1% of the population suffer from an allergy to it. Also red wines have fewer sulfites than whites, on average. Consider this myth, busted. Secret Spoon fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Nov 30, 2015 |
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Nov 30, 2015 19:09
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I get angry when people tell me that tequila makes them angry. Tequila isn't some magical rage juice, you're just a lovely drunk.
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Nov 30, 2015 19:20
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I get angry when I drink lovely tequila.
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Nov 30, 2015 19:25
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I have no evidence one way or the other beyond anecdotes, but I've always thought the "don't mix drinks" claim was a post hoc rationalization of drinking too much, and a separate group who's heard the claim a lot and internalized it as truth.
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Nov 30, 2015 19:51
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Drink and Fight posted:I get angry when I drink lovely tequila.
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Nov 30, 2015 19:54
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Teeter posted:I get angry when people tell me that tequila makes them angry. Drink and Fight posted:I get angry when I drink lovely tequila. These posts contradict each other. All tequila is lovely and is therefore rage juice.
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Nov 30, 2015 20:05
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Marta Velasquez posted:These posts contradict each other. All tequila is lovely and is therefore rage juice. You probably shouldn't talk about things you're so wrong about.
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Nov 30, 2015 20:34
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bartolimu posted:You probably shouldn't talk about things you're so wrong about. I guess Cafe Patron isn't too bad. 
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Nov 30, 2015 20:45
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Marta Velasquez posted:These posts contradict each other. All tequila is lovely and is therefore rage juice. Marta Velasquez posted:I guess Cafe Patron isn't too bad. You are a bad person with bad opinions.
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Nov 30, 2015 21:00
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Secret Spoon posted:Sulfites in red wine are a non issue barring extreme disorders necessitating extreme dietary restrictions. Just as a comparison, a single dried fruit has like 3 or 4 bottles worth of sulfites in it. Sulfite headaches are actually unproven medically, and less than 1% of the population suffer from an allergy to it. Also red wines have fewer sulfites than whites, on average. Really? *pubmedding furiously*
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Nov 30, 2015 21:45
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Marta Velasquez posted:I guess Cafe Patron isn't too bad. 
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Nov 30, 2015 22:09
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Marta Velasquez posted:I guess Cafe Patron isn't too bad. MODS
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Nov 30, 2015 22:15
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That Works posted:Really? It might be a sensitivity to tannin's, but its most likely dehydration as well as the fact that all alcohol should, in large quantities of consumption, hurt a bit the next day. If it is same day, chances are you are also consuming sugary stuff alongside it. But for real, if you had a tannin sensitivity, you would probably have had an idea about it before you ever drank alcohol. Tequila and Mezcal rule. I hope you can find someone to help you get a good bottle so you aren't drinking the "gold" swill sold here in america.
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Nov 30, 2015 23:47
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Marta Velasquez posted:I guess Cafe Patron isn't too bad. Enlighten yourself. Yes, I know it's not technically "tequila", but shut up! 
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Nov 30, 2015 23:56
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MAKE NO BABBYS posted:You are a bad person with bad opinions.  Captain Bravo posted:Enlighten yourself. I'll try this. My wife isn't much of a drinker, but she does like tequila. If I don't like it, at least it won't be completely wasted.
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Dec 1, 2015 01:02
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I get more hungover when I drink mixed drinks, than if I drink wine or beers, I believe this to be the case because I tend to get sated on beer, to such an extend that I not only am drunk, but also full, and the fullness prevents me from drinking too much. I've never gone above 20 beers in one sitting, while I have been above 5 bottles of wine. Also - when I had my gallbladder infection, I couldn't drink half a bottle of red without puking my guts out. My wife is convinced that she feels better when drinking white than red - this is fine by me. Also - chartreuse is the devils semen,it will induce dementia.
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Dec 1, 2015 01:55
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SubG, FGR and SteveYun want to know /why/ champagne bubbles are the way they are vs why soda bubbles are the way they are.
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Dec 1, 2015 03:19
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dino. posted:SubG, FGR and SteveYun want to know /why/ champagne bubbles are the way they are vs why soda bubbles are the way they are. Ones caused by fermentation the other by a machine.
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Dec 1, 2015 05:44
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Happy Hat posted:I've never gone above 20 beers in one sitting, while I have been above 5 bottles of wine. Uh, and here I thought that I drank a lot 
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Dec 1, 2015 05:49
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Secret Spoon posted:Ones caused by fermentation the other by a machine. I call BS on this. There is no "type" of carbonation. It probably has more to do with residual sugars and possible surfactants affecting the gas bubble formation than whether one is "natural" and the other "artificial". edit: quote:Other beverages that are supersaturated with CO2, such as soda water and beer, differ in their characteristics with respect to median size and ascent velocity of CO2 bubbles (Fig. 6). The differences can be seen at a glance between seltzer (Fig. 6a), champagne (Fig. 6b), and beer (Fig. 6c). Bubbles rise fastest (and are largest) in pure mineral water. Champagne contains natural surfactants that accumulate at interfaces between CO2 and the beverage, and thus — despite the higher pressure — retard diffusion of CO2 into the rising bubbles, and thus their growth. Champagne bubbles grow at ca. 350 – 400 μm/s at 20 °C (68 °F). Beer contains especially large amounts of surfactant proteins and hops components, and the CO2 pressure is lower than in champagne, so CO2 bubbles in beer are especially small, and compared to champagne they ascend significantly more slowly (100 – 150 μm/s) [22]. http://pubs.acs.org/doi/pdf/10.1021/ed082p673 GrAviTy84 fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Dec 1, 2015 |
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Dec 1, 2015 05:59
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It's widely stated among wine drinkers (and corroborated with a very significant sample size of my own experimentation) that the longer sparkling wine stays on the lees, the finer the bubbles become. This may be because the surfactants mentioned are byproducts of yeast autolysis, or that yeast breakdown slightly increases the viscosity of the liquid which has the effect of increasing the effectiveness of existing surfactants, or maybe a combination of the two. Or it might be a sensory illusion; human perception is both very suggestible and very prone to simple wrongness. Either way I'd claim with reasonable confidence I can tell the difference between something produced via méthode champenoise vs. a batch-carbonated prosecco on perception of carbonation alone.
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Dec 1, 2015 07:11
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bartolimu posted:Either way I'd claim with reasonable confidence I can tell the difference between something produced via méthode champenoise vs. a batch-carbonated prosecco on perception of carbonation alone. I do not totally understand the science behind it, but I am confident I can make this assessment.
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Dec 1, 2015 08:00
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Secret Spoon posted:I do not totally understand the science behind it, but I am confident I can make this assessment. I'll third this claim.
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Dec 1, 2015 09:11
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It's pretty easy to taste, carbonic acid is fairly tart, that's why you have to adjust the sugar content of drinks you use it with... Force carbonation creates a different sort of bubble as well.
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Dec 1, 2015 09:56
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guppy posted:I have no evidence one way or the other beyond anecdotes, but I've always thought the "don't mix drinks" claim was a post hoc rationalization of drinking too much, and a separate group who's heard the claim a lot and internalized it as truth. I regularly drink a shitload of wine - the same goddamn white wine day by day, week by week. It adds up to a lot of standard measures of alcohol. I never have a hangover beyond dehydration and being a bit groggy in the morning. If I drink half the standard measures of alcohol I normally consume, but do it by shooting some rum, then tequila, then whiskey, then a beer, then a red wine - I feel completely and utterly destroyed the next day. I don't even get drunk or whatever - because I'm drinking no where near my normal level of consumption - but christ it kills me - throbbing headaches, nausea, the whole nine yards. I don't claim to have any explanation beyond experience, but I surely have a great deal of experience. this also could be one of those things where it just affects different people differently because of genetics or whatever, but enough people in the world have the 'oh god don't mix liquors' stigma that I feel like it can't possibly just be me. mindphlux fucked around with this message at 10:46 on Dec 1, 2015 |
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Dec 1, 2015 10:44
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mindphlux posted:I regularly drink a shitload of wine - the same goddamn white wine day by day, week by week. It adds up to a lot of standard measures of alcohol. I never have a hangover beyond dehydration and being a bit groggy in the morning. Like I said, I have the same exact experience. It's happened enough times in a variety of situations that I'm pretty convinced for myself at least. My friends and I shoot a LOT of tequila when we go to this one bar which have super cheap top/middle shelf shots. And the times I've mixed gin and tonics in, I've taken way less shots (like 2) and only 1 gin and tonic. It's not amount of alcohol for me, and I'd like to think that I'm not stupid enough to fall for confounding factors given my degree in stats.
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Dec 1, 2015 12:58
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I woke up this morning to an open freezer door 
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Dec 1, 2015 15:11
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mindphlux posted:yeah, this. I'm 32, drink a ton regularly. just hydrate, and don't go from drinking a ton to drinking none - or drinking none to drinking a ton. build yourself up - and again, hydrate intensely if you decide to drink well outside your normal bounds. also don't mix liquors/wines/beers. I get a hangover maybe once every 3 months. This town - Hallstatt - was one of my favourite stops in my early-20s railpass wandering. Train stops across the lake and you take a ferry (like a little fishing boat, basically) across to the town, which is mostly two streets deep/high. Fantastically beautiful spot. Just be warned if you stay there - all the tourist buses leave by 5, at which point almost every restaurant/bar/shop in town closes and it's dead quiet.
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Dec 1, 2015 20:26
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I feel very strongly that red wine dehydrates me worst then anything else and cheap fizzy lager gives me worse heartburn. I believe that there is enough other stuff in wine and beer to effect one, especially as you could be drinking 60-80 ounces of the stuff in a night.
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Dec 1, 2015 21:48
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bunnielab posted:I feel very strongly that red wine dehydrates me worst then anything else and cheap fizzy lager gives me worse heartburn. I believe that there is enough other stuff in wine and beer to effect one, especially as you could be drinking 60-80 ounces of the stuff in a night. Just gonna go back to that's the level of alcohol. Depending on the glass, you could be drinking something as high as 15% alcohol. With beer your drinking like 5-7% on average, which means you need to drink more, which can upset your stomach.
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People need to drink less stuff high in sugar. Also, someone gave my cheap good vodka a high rating, and now I can't find Monopolowa anywhere. loving vodka snobs, taking my cheap mixers.
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