Constant Hamprince posted:

I think the perpetuation of anti-First Nations racism is intimately tied to the reservation system. They're largely small, isolated communities and prone to all the small town corruption and nepotism that comes with it, except they're also regulatory black holes that neither the provinces nor the Federal government want to take any responsibility for, so they end up being miniature dictatorships who's leaders generally don't give a gently caress about their people. They're effectively third-world countries embedded in a first world one, and have all the horrendous problems associated with that. Places where First Nations people from the reserve and non-First nations people mix (generally at schools) serve as a breeding ground for bigotry. I've had totally reasonable and well educated people who went to school near reserves tell me about how their (native) classmate was smart and a good student got pregnant at 17 and never went to university because (paraphrasing) "that's just how it is there".

I really think it will take a revolution from within the native community to fix the root problem with the reserves, I don't think the government should (or even can) force reform on them and even with a lot more funding (which the reservations need anyway) only so much could even reach the majority of people instead of getting funnelled away.

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Household spending increases

Household final consumption expenditure increased 0.4% in the third quarter, following a 0.6% gain in the second quarter. Outlays on goods were up 0.8%, driven by durable goods (+2.3%). Semi-durable (+0.2%) and non-durable (+0.2%) goods also contributed to the increase. Outlays on services edged up 0.1%.

Expenditures on transport rose 2.2%, driven by purchases of vehicles (+3.5%) and operation of transport equipment (+1.2%). Recreation and culture (+1.1%) and food and beverage services (+0.4%) also contributed to the growth in household spending. Expenditures on clothing and footwear (-0.3%) were lower.

Investment in housing picks up

Business investment in residential structures grew 0.6% following a flat second quarter. The growth was driven by new construction (+3.2%), which offset declines in renovations (-1.6%) and ownership transfer costs (-0.7%).

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"In these times, Mr. Harper's top priority is to give wealthy families like his and mine $2,000," Trudeau said in reference to the Conservatives' income-splitting tax credit. "Let me tell you something: We don't need it. And Canada can't afford it."

Trudeau is also entitled to collect annual UCCB payments of about $3,400 for his three children.

He promised to give the money to charity.

...

"When it comes to child benefits, fair doesn’t mean giving everyone the same thing, it means giving people what they need."

Duck Rodgers posted:

Do you have any proof that reservations are especially corrupt? Because that is a common (unfounded) line used by racist groups in order to blame First Nations for their poverty and justify greater government control. Or in your case to justify not increasing funding.

Ikantski posted:

Is there a certain level of entitlement that can psychologically stop you from recognizing hypocrisy? Barring the chance that there's an actual mental health problem, I think Canadians can be a little ticked off that Trudeau children's nannies being paid for by taxpayers especially after all the "my family doesn't need it" rhetoric. "I am going to donate my $3,400 UCCB to charity because i don't need it. I am, however, going to employ a couple of nannies at a cost of around $150,000 a year." - Liberals.


If it wasn't for finishing with the hot story that Mulroney denied doing the same thing 31 years ago, I wouldn't even know it's a CBC article.

Jordan7hm posted:

Uhhhhhhh this isn't about Wynne what the hell man

Jordan7hm posted:

Uhhhhhhh this isn't about Wynne what the hell man

Ikantski posted:

I enjoy Liberal hypocrisy at all levels of government. While the OLP certainly present a target rich environment, it's nice to get a little variety. Smokey Thomas is fighting progressive politics again, apparently this is on billboards at Yonge and Eglington.

Constant Hamprince posted:

There's an almost complete absence of academic studies on the issue, but anecdotes of corruption on reserves are so widespread that it's difficult to dismiss as just a racist myth.

Jordan7hm posted:

That doesn't really read to me as hypocrisy but ok. They're not comparable issues.

Kraftwerk posted:

The NDP certainly won't win.

bunnyofdoom posted:

I mean you don't complain that the pm has a good or a driver but him getting childcare? That's a deal breaker.

ChickenWing posted:

And yet, the plural of anecdote is still not data

THC posted:

Ikantski posted:

Yeah I talk bad, I didn't mean it as hypocrisy, just general Wynne news to fulfill my destiny.


True story. I went to join the ONDP (http://ontariondp.com/membership/becomeamember.php). I made it to "for the win" and cringed so hard I couldn't continue.


Multimillionaire campaigns on "Rich people like me can pay our own childcare, I don't need the government's help". He wins, he cuts the $5k childcare benefit and income splitting for families who have a fraction of what he does while ordering $150k in taxpayer childcare for himself. I guess you're either the type of person who's okay with that or you're not, so I'll just drop it.

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It strikes us as more than a little angry and divisive to blast Tories as mean, old male bigots doomed by the progressive juggernaut of history, but there is no denying that many recent Conservative campaigns, from Stephen Harper’s federally to Tim Hudak’s in Ontario, have had a deliberately obnoxious and unmistakably whiny tone.

Ikantski posted:

Yeah I talk bad, I didn't mean it as hypocrisy, just general Wynne news to fulfill my destiny.


True story. I went to join the ONDP (http://ontariondp.com/membership/becomeamember.php). I made it to "for the win" and cringed so hard I couldn't continue.


Multimillionaire campaigns on "Rich people like me can pay our own childcare, I don't need the government's help". He wins, he cuts the $5k childcare benefit and income splitting for families who have a fraction of what he does while ordering $150k in taxpayer childcare for himself. I guess you're either the type of person who's okay with that or you're not, so I'll just drop it.

Ikantski posted:

Multimillionaire campaigns on "Rich people like me can pay our own childcare, I don't need the government's help". He wins, he cuts the $5k childcare benefit and income splitting for families who have a fraction of what he does while ordering $150k in taxpayer childcare for himself. I guess you're either the type of person who's okay with that or you're not, so I'll just drop it.

Constant Hamprince posted:

The absence of data doesn't prove the negative though. If anyone knows of a study on (the absence of) corruption in the reserve system I'd like to see it.

sliderule posted:

Listen, until we can absolutely prove that Constant Hamprince hasn't molested and murdered dozens of children, devouring their flesh raw and grinding their bones into his morning shake, how can we really say that he hasn't? Have there been any studies on the matter? Without any hard facts, I'm not going to just assume that he hasn't. Until several peer-reviewed studies are published, we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Sedge and Bee posted:

The reserve system was designed and is still administered by the government. The governing structures are all the government's fault as much as anything else. Even if you believe corruption is the preeminent issue facing natives, pining responsibility on natives for some sort of massive social renewal is hilariously naive and ignorant of the actual history of the system in place.

bunnyofdoom posted:

And here is where it is revealed you fell for bullshit. We didn't. We increased it, made it income tested, and made it not taxable. We didn't cut it.

https://www.liberal.ca/realchange/helping-families/ posted:

Stephen Harper thinks that government should provide child support payments to millionaires. We will end that unfair giveaway.

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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s pledge of a balanced budget by the next election is overly optimistic, with his government on pace to record at least four consecutive deficits, Canada’s budget watchdog said.

The Parliamentary Budget Officer painted a different picture of Canada’s fiscal outlook than that of the finance department -- forecasting, for instance, slower economic growth, lower crude prices and lower tax revenues.

In figures released Tuesday, the PBO projects a C$1.2 billion ($900 million) surplus in fiscal 2015, the last year under the helm of former Prime Minister Stephen Harper. In its Nov. 20 update, however, Trudeau’s government projected adeficit of C$3 billion.

PK loving SUBBAN posted:

I'm loving dying laughing at the OMG GOVERNMENT IS PAYING FOR JUSTIN'S NANNIES! freakout the canadian right is having today.

Not sure you could grasp any harder at straws if you tried.


"B-b-b-b-but... hypocrisy!"


Did anyone read that editorial in the National Post the other day about how the Canadian right needs to start leading and stop acting like a bunch of whiny babies? Because it was really dead on.

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/national-post-view-fixing-the-conservative-brand

Cultural Imperial posted:

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-12-01/watchdog-projects-c-1-2-billion-canada-surplus-in-2015-16


Jt is a lying sack of poo poo.

PT6A posted:

The current paradox of conservative opinions is hilarious.

"Hah, look at Justin, that little pansy human being, he's such a wuss! Also, we better not let any refugees in, because what if one of them was a terrorist???"

I don't know how they can accuse Trudeau of being a coward, or unmanly, when he's willing to do things that they're apparently deeply terrified of.

Slightly Toasted posted:

When did he say he was going to balance it by next year? The article even says the liberals wanted it by 2019 but plays both angles and is written like they wrote it during the election.

I think you are wrong about who the lying piece of poo poo is it is also probably you

Kafka Esq. posted:

Read it again.

vyelkin posted:

In my opinion childcare should be provided to everyone by the government and paid for through taxation, so I fully support Justin Trudeau in taking this bold first step.

cowofwar posted:

As a result everything is underfunded and terrible on a reserve, while predictably, band leaders take their salaries first and divvy up the rest. Less corruption and more self interest.

Slightly Toasted posted:

When did he say he was going to balance it by next year? The article even says the liberals wanted it by 2019 but plays both angles and is written like they wrote it during the election.

I think you are wrong about who the lying piece of poo poo is it is also probably you