VendaGoat posted:

:Sugar is the enemy! Remove all SUgar from diet, now! DO it!
:But Some type of sugar is needed to sustain all life as we know it.
:Wrong! NO. NO! NO! NO! NONONONONONO DOn't you try to diet shame me!
:No I'm not, I'm just trying to have a reasona.....
:I'M OFFENDED!

etalian posted:

Also things like fruit juice aren't healthy since they contain lots of sugar without fiber.

Marta Velasquez posted:

This is the same thread where we learned that apples are evil cancer carriers, right?

Dave Concepcion posted:

I understand the point you're trying to make, but there actually is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate

any reasonable diet should include a decent percentage, but unlike vitamins, mineral and essential amino acids and fats, it's not strictly necessary to sustain life, your body can to a large extent convert to burning ketone bodies and FFAs and synthesize glucose from certain amino acids and odd-numbered fatty acids

VendaGoat posted:

Why must you troll so thoroughly?

Dave Concepcion posted:

I hate two things in this world - fat + everything that leads to it, and the rolex yachtmaster II

Dave Concepcion posted:

I hate two things in this world - fat + everything that leads to it, and the rolex yachtmaster II

Fitzy Fitz posted:

Seeds are a major food source, so I don't think that automatically discounts anything. Usually we prepare them somehow though by removing the seed coat or cooking them.

I've always been skeptical of the claim that they're some sort of a miracle cure (because nothing ever is), but they are a good source of fiber, and I'm assuming chewing might help with the digestion process. I've never heard of people drinking them in their water though. That sounds dumb.

Dave Concepcion posted:

unless you have scurvy, orange juice is about as healthy as coca cola

Decrepus posted:

In all of human history your ancestors were too dumb to eat this miraculous thing but you can eat it for just $9 act now.

Stinky_Pete posted:

I thought you said you needed fat to survive

neonbregna posted:

What about this new fangled diet Orange juice?

neonbregna posted:

What about this new fangled diet Orange juice?

Dave Concepcion posted:

I don't hate the macronutrient, I hate the human condition

symbolic posted:

are you, per chance, a member of Overweight Haters Ltd.?

Snatch Duster posted:

Dave Concepcion posted:

lol id rather be fat than live in britain

VendaGoat posted:

:Sugar is the enemy! Remove all SUgar from diet, now! DO it!
:But Some type of sugar is needed to sustain all life as we know it.
:Wrong! NO. NO! NO! NO! NONONONONONO DOn't you try to diet shame me!
:No I'm not, I'm just trying to have a reasona.....
:I'M OFFENDED!

Larry Parrish posted:

This post gave me AIDS

JB50 posted:

Theyre just as fat as Americans though.

Dave Concepcion posted:

luckily i live in oslo, norway

i see a few around but i don't know the name of a single fat person

symbolic posted:

what the gently caress is this

symbolic posted:

have you burned down a church yet

Dave Concepcion posted:

the one near me is stone

symbolic posted:

how much is gasoline in Oslo?

Dave Concepcion posted:

around 14-15kr/l ($6.5/gallon)

Dave Concepcion posted:

luckily i live in oslo, norway

i see a few around but i don't know the name of a single fat person

Dave Concepcion posted:

around 14-15kr/l ($6.5/gallon)

I hate yankees posted:

What's the average mpg in the cars there?

notZaar posted:

Well of course not, you're in the city. Go to NYC and you'll also have a hard time finding the fabled American Landwhale.

Marta Velasquez posted:

Snatch Duster posted:

For at least a century, historians have tried to discern war cycles, without much success. Those efforts really took off in the 1920s, right after World War I. However, all those attempts proved to be failures when World War II started.

The most well-known of these efforts is the Kondratiev cycles (K-cycles) theory, developed in the 1920s by Russian researcher Nikolai Kondratiev. He established a war cycle of approximately 50 years. However, his theory was discredited two decades later, since it didn't predict WW II, and in fact was contradicted by WW II.

The World War II anomaly

Supporters of K-cycles and other models tried to repair the theory by saying the World War II was an anomaly, an exception to the rule. But this was a major problem, because WW II should be their best case, according to George Modelski:

A large number of other international relations theories were based explicitly on the World War I experience. What would be more desirable is an argument that could handle World Wars I and II simultaneously without resorting to an ad hoc explanation (or simply writing off one of the wars as an exception to the general pattern). The two world wars of the twentieth century are simply too important to dismiss as exceptions, especially if the war / long-term growth linkage is limited to the past two centuries. If one of these wars appears to be an exception to the rule, it may be that either the rule is being misinterpreted or that the rule underwent some type of change during the twentieth century.

The following graph correlating war deaths to K-cycles shows what the problem is. .

The K-cycles are computed from a variety of economic series, the choice depending on the particular researcher. As this graphic shows, war deaths and K-cycles, are pretty well correlated up to World War I, but then completely diverged with WW II.


(We'll use "K-cycles" as a shorthand to refer to a class of related "long wave" theories.)

Different researchers had different theories to explain K-cycles. There are four major explanations, according to Joshua S. Goldstein:

Capital investment cycles. There's a massive period of over-investment of capital goods, which gives way to a period of under-investment and consolidations. Key variables are capital investment and production.

Innovation cycles. There's a cluster of new innovations that create a new "leading sector" of the economy. These innovations bring good returns, so there's a period of few innovations. Key variables are inventions and innovations, production, and employment.

Capitalist cycles. This is a Marxist ideological theory developed by Kondratiev to satisfy his principle sponsor, Leon Trotsky, and justify Communism. Imperalist expansion brings profit increases, but there's an inevitable crisis that harms profits. Key variables are the profit rate, class struggle, and production.

Monetary cycles. Major wars cause inflation, which causes economic cycles. Alternatively, gold production affects the money supply, causing economic cycles; Key variables are prices, gold production and war incidence and size.

These theories were developed during the period between the two world wars, but all of them failed to predict WW II. K-cycles fell out of favor for a while, but interest was revived in the 1980s and 90s.

http://www.generationaldynamics.com/pg/ww2010.home.htm

plain blue jacket posted:

I remember a time when people weren't giving their kids stupid names