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Nov 29, 2015 08:47
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Toshimo posted:What's the emoticon for the crushing despair of having your trasnformo-stache taken away? : ( ( ==> : (
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Nov 29, 2015 20:03
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Bongo Bill posted:I can't keep track of any of those drat robots from panel to panel. Yeah, I bought the first three trades on the strength of the panels posted here, but I must have some sort of robot face blindness because I have no idea who is who from page to page. I find myself repeating the names of everyone in the current scene to myself, trying to memorize them. Rodimus, Prowl, Chromedome... Rodimus, Prowl, Chromedome... It's not really helping and there's so many robots. Another thing I'm having trouble getting over is the time scale. Are Cybertron years different from Earth years? Because when one dude doesn't recognize another dude even though the other due was his psychiatrist for six thousand years it kind of beggars belief. And later, a different dude says, "Finally, someone I recognize!" after being in stasis for six million years. What?! How?
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Dec 3, 2015 08:19
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lowercase16 posted:Yeah, I bought the first three trades on the strength of the panels posted here, but I must have some sort of robot face blindness because I have no idea who is who from page to page. I find myself repeating the names of everyone in the current scene to myself, trying to memorize them. Rodimus, Prowl, Chromedome... Rodimus, Prowl, Chromedome... lowercase16 posted:Another thing I'm having trouble getting over is the time scale. Are Cybertron years different from Earth years? Because when one dude doesn't recognize another dude even though the other due was his psychiatrist for six thousand years it kind of beggars belief. And later, a different dude says, "Finally, someone I recognize!" after being in stasis for six million years. What?! How? They are immortal robot people who just ended a civil war that lasted for millions of years and killed hundreds of billions of innocent people and they are all a little hosed up as a result. The guy who blacked out for six million years is better off than most of them, since he got to sleep through the war and the millions of years worth of PTSD.
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Dec 3, 2015 08:28
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Probably, being machines, their faces change over the years as they change? Upgrades, new alt modes, damage to be repaired. Some would change it deliberately, to cut ties with their pasts or a 'gently caress you' while switching sides. Or we're putting more thought into it than the writers were and they use big numbers of years for dramatic purposes  E: also what the guy above me said
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Dec 3, 2015 08:30
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lowercase16 posted:Because when one dude doesn't recognize another dude even though the other due was his psychiatrist for six thousand years it kind of beggars belief. And later, a different dude says, "Finally, someone I recognize!" after being in stasis for six million years. What?! How? It's two different things, actually. The psychiatrist one is a in-comic, long running joke that nobody ever notices Rung is there or acknowledges him much, but specifically on that one part, Red Alert who is a paranoid freak is pretending not to know Rung. The other is about the little bot who stayed in stasis for six million years. Six million years ago the only one of the Lost Light's crew that existed was Cyclonus, who was a national hero for being part of the First Ark's crew. That's how the little dude recognized the latter. Regarding the time scale, most of the characters you will meet were born/created before or after the great war started, four million years ago. This date is important and will kept being referenced.
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Dec 3, 2015 09:38
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Anyway, the hardest problem with the comic is the huge cast, no debate about it, but people who stick with will memorize most of the characters fast. At the start you need to know only these: * Rodimus, the moronic ship captain and his two in command: * Ultramagnus, huge battle bot that used to be a space cop * Drift, former enemy now reformed, who believes in a bunch of spiritual mumbo jumbo * Chromedome and Rewind, they are a couple * Whirl, troublemaker on the extreme * Ratchet, the ship's medic and one of the oldest in the crew As you keep track of those above you will end up recognizing some of the others sooner or later: * Tailgate, the little bot who spent six million years in statis * Swerve, a really annoying hyperactive guy * Skids, mysterious bot with some sort of secret agent past * Cyclonus, thought to be an enemy, but just a guy who's not adjusting to modern reality * Brainstorm, arrogant weapon maker who's an old friend of Chromedome That's 12 people. There will be more of course, but it's a 40+ issues series so they will be introduced properly in time. It's the start that is a bit bumpy. Please keep at it.
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Dec 3, 2015 09:58
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Yeah, I basically didn't know anything about Transformers outside of the movies and the little bits everyone knows, and I jumped in with the Humble Bundle a while back and it didn't take long to be able to tell the important characters apart. All the major characters have fairly distinct faces. It's totally worth it too, MTMTE is fantastic.
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Dec 3, 2015 10:11
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Everyone talking about Transformers and nobody posting Megatron and Ravage from MTMTE? Shameful.   
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Dec 5, 2015 06:14
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It's been posted before, that's all. It's still a pretty strong character moment.
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Dec 5, 2015 12:03
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And of course, my brain ruins it by thinking, "He's pining for the fjords."
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Dec 5, 2015 15:13
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lowercase16 posted:Another thing I'm having trouble getting over is the time scale. Are Cybertron years different from Earth years? Because when one dude doesn't recognize another dude even though the other due was his psychiatrist for six thousand years it kind of beggars belief. And later, a different dude says, "Finally, someone I recognize!" after being in stasis for six million years. What?! How? As far as I know this has never been brought up. I'm waiting for that to be a big twist- that if you translated it into Earth years the war was only 50 years long or some poo poo. Alternatively, the timeframe could be being auto-converted into Earth time in the same way their dialogue is auto-translated from Cybertronian to English for the benefit of the reader.
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Dec 6, 2015 21:20
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Diet Poison posted:As far as I know this has never been brought up. I'm waiting for that to be a big twist- that if you translated it into Earth years the war was only 50 years long or some poo poo. Yeah, I'm having to think of it like... metric time, or something. It really does slam me right out of the story. Like, some writer with no sense of scale just slapped a bunch of zeroes on a date 30 years ago, and everyone since just has to keep it up because it's canon. 4,000,000 years is crazy, but if I think of it like 400 metric years, it seems about right to me. 400 years is really loving long war, but still something essentially-immortal robots who can replace blown-off limbs might, conceivably, survive. Which if I apply it to the scene with the psychiatrist, would mean the guard was seeing Rung for... seven months? Which makes more sense while still maintaining the joke. Anyway, sorry for the derail.
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Dec 7, 2015 00:16
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The war really was four million years long, but the transformers didn't invent faster-than-light travel until very recently, so most of that was spent in transit between stars. Please make my No-Prize out to cash; I am between banks at the moment
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Dec 7, 2015 02:05
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the immortality thing is just a caveat of writing this race. No matter the continuity, transformer are beings that are millions of years old. This is accepted. Might as well actually use it as part of the story and think about how such lives would work instead of just continually repeating it without meaning anything by it. I guess it's one of those things easier to accept if you've grown up with those kinds of stories. I wasn't part of the pokemon craze and I don't think I could be told a story from that without being distracted by questions like "but how does an ecosystem with superpowered animals work" or "so these are kids who go around having animals beat up other animals until they're too weak to fight back and then imprison them and the animals actually accept or even welcome this fate because why"
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Dec 7, 2015 04:28
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Acne Rain posted:the immortality thing is just a caveat of writing this race. No matter the continuity, transformer are beings that are millions of years old. This is accepted. Because friendship.
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Dec 7, 2015 04:30
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Didn't the Autobot Decepticon war whittle the number of cybertronians down from the billions to the thousands?
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Dec 7, 2015 05:04
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Cybertron in the IDW comics is literally one city, the entire rest of the planet is an inhospitable wasteland. Megatron has personally killed literal millions of Cybertronians, there's and entire planet dedicated purely to being a war-memorial the war was so huge. Cybertronians are basically considered the single most loathed race in the universe because they have basically destroyed multiple civilizations as a byproduct of the war. Also, the earlier IDW things make a point to show the war being more low-key, with pretty small squads of Cybertronians fighting each other, not big unified armies. The Earth takeover force was like...4 Decepticons, and that was expected to be enough. It was assumed that a single one of Megatron's big enforcer 'bots could reasonably pose a threat to the entire military threat of Earth because the only way to hurt him would be straight nukes.
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Dec 8, 2015 05:47
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Whoa whoa, Cybertronians are the SECOND most reviled race after the Ammonites.
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Dec 8, 2015 14:35
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They have been at war for sixteen million years. Six-teen! That's ridiculous. That's a ridiculous number.
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Dec 8, 2015 15:30
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Depends how much of it was a hot war. Sixteen million years of immortal stand-off.
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Dec 8, 2015 15:40
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goatface posted:Depends how much of it was a hot war. Sixteen million years of immortal stand-off. There's a fair share of dialogue throughout IDW's books to suggest the 4 million year Cybertronian war was like this. Hundreds of thousands of years without a shot fired, punctuated by horrible massacres that left planets burning. The 16 million years Saoshyant mentioned were between the Ammonites and Terradores, an entirely different set of big transforming robots, who in a few gag panels in one issue, trumped every thing about the Transformers. Whirl, the sociopathic camera-headed blue guy, ended their war off-panel and in seconds when he shot their version of Optimus Prime right in his face. I think that all got posted in the funny panels thread when the issue came out.
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Dec 8, 2015 16:36
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Yeah, well, even though it's kind of not in the topic of this thread, a good laugh is still good for ya, so:    Also, even though it's just a few pages gag it will come to bite them in their robotic butts both in the same issue and later on.
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Dec 8, 2015 20:07
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Anyway, more in line with this thread, the following are the last pages of Mark Waid's awesome run on Daredevil and I don't remember ever seeing them here:     I hope that in years from now people will refer to this run of the character as defining as Frank Miller's, because it was really, really good and worthy of such accolades.
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Dec 8, 2015 20:21
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While we're still in MTME derail county, can I ask a stupid question? All I know about Transformers I know from the 80s cartoon and movie. So I'm pretty confused seeing the multiple panels referencing Megatron and Galvatron as two different people. What's up wit dat? I guess is what I'm asking.
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Dec 8, 2015 20:29
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Choco1980 posted:All I know about Transformers I know from the 80s cartoon and movie. So I'm pretty confused seeing the multiple panels referencing Megatron and Galvatron as two different people. What's up wit dat? I guess is what I'm asking. Not a stupid question since most people just remember the cartoon, but in comics continuity, even before IDW, those two have always been different characters. Megatron was a miner that questioned the class system the cybertronians were forced into, where those who weren't part of the scientific class were pretty much garbage. He's basically Karl Marx and Lenin rolled in one character. Galvatron is an ancient warrior before all of the above. He took off the planet with the Prime of his time, Nominus, in what would be the first attempt to subjugate other races in the universe as a plan for expansion/conquest. Instead he and his crew got stuck on something called the Dead Universe(tm) and stayed there until recently.
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Dec 8, 2015 20:37
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Saoshyant posted:I hope that in years from now people will refer to this run of the character as defining as Frank Miller's, because it was really, really good and worthy of such accolades. Much like Waid's Flash and Fantastic Four runs it'll be almost completely unchampioned by people who liked it in favor of hipper, edgier runs and the only people who will contribute to discussion on it will be to poo poo on its relatively minor faults. Meanwhile Frank Miller's run will continue to be seen as the only defining run and sell like hotcakes because the world never runs out of mental 13 year-olds in desperate need of that particular brand of macho power fantasy.
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Dec 8, 2015 20:39
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^^ But it is defining for Daredevil. It introduced all the elements that made Daredevil popular. Without him there would be no Kingpin, Elektra, Stick, Hand, and Born Again. Saoshyant posted:Anyway, more in line with this thread, the following are the last pages of Mark Waid's awesome run on Daredevil and I don't remember ever seeing them here: The four most important runs of Daredevil are Miller, Bendis, Waid, and Bru
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Dec 8, 2015 20:43
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I really need to get the last few Waid DD TPBs. I missed one and then they just kept adding up. 
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Dec 8, 2015 20:44
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Choco1980 posted:While we're still in MTME derail county, can I ask a stupid question? In the IDW universe they are not the same characters and they have vastly different backstories. It only REALLY matters in the other Transformers series running right now because John Barber likes revisiting past continuity and also fixing "continuity errors" and Galvatron is running around in there right now. I don't remember that many details of him. Simon Furman, the first guy to write IDW Transformers comics, introduced him nearly right away and it was loving years ago. One of Furman's gimmicks was starting the Transformers off without their gimmicks and giving them new origins, and Galvatron having absolutely nothing to do with Megatron was one of them. I don't care that much. Right now he's kind of written as an rear end in a top hat, he's did a great deal in old, old times before even the functionist senate (mostly murdering transformers he saw as aberrant, like ones with transforming heads or that turned into animals or combined, that poo poo disgusts him). Then got last in an alternate hell dimension, came back and hosed things up further, and now he runs the Decepticons since Megatron gave up. Though Soundwave is the brains of the operation, really. Really IDW continuity is VASTLY different than the cartoons or other comics. tfwiki's a good place to get a bead on what has happened, but it's best you just forget them and pay attention to what the characters are talking about. MTMTE is mostly its own thing though.
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Dec 8, 2015 20:49
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Optimus is cool because he turns into a truck.
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Lurdiak posted:Optimus is cool because he turns into a truck. no he's cool because he turns into a gorilla
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Dec 8, 2015 21:49
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Is Optimus dead again
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Dec 8, 2015 22:45
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Malachite_Dragon posted:Is Optimus dead again Worse, he's a politician now.
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Dec 8, 2015 22:48
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Acne Rain posted:or combined, that poo poo disgusts him). My favorite transformer is Garnet. Ha ha. I am funny. The discussions of transformers and the relationships and stuff actually almost make me want to read it. I never liked anything else that was transformers though. Robots and cars are not super cool to me. But I love good character development
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Dec 8, 2015 22:54
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KittyEmpress posted:My favorite transformer is Garnet. Grab the Last Stand Of The Wreckers TPB, it's by the same writer (well, he co-wrote it). Then just go through each TPB in order but I found personally that it takes until ~ issue 12 that it starts hitting it's stride, and I've read everything in the IDW canon so far
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KittyEmpress posted:The discussions of transformers and the relationships and stuff actually almost make me want to read it. I never liked anything else that was transformers though. Robots and cars are not super cool to me. But I love good character development More than Meets the Eye has some of the best Starscream character development of any Transformers books. He lies and cheats his way to the top of the decepticons, then he lies and cheats his way almost to the top of the autobots, then he lies and cheats his way into basically being king of the loving transformers. Like, I literally think he has a loving crown at one point. Then he realizes that he's accomplished everything he could ever want, and that his lying and cheating is a massive ten-ton tiger that's about to bite him in the rear end, and he has a mild psychotic break before deciding that "gently caress it, I am goddamned Starscream and I can do this poo poo." and he actually manages to end up being not-a-complete-piece-of-poo poo. It's kind of awesome, and as great as Megatron's development has been I think I still like Starscream's better. He goes from sniveling toady to king of the world, and has to man the gently caress up in order to remain there.
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Dec 9, 2015 02:09
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goatface posted:Depends how much of it was a hot war. Sixteen million years of immortal stand-off. Also depends on how long it takes Cybertron to orbit it's sun.
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Whoops, looks like I was wrong, the Starscream stuff is actually part of "Robots in Disguise" not "More than Meets the Eye" but they kind of take place around the same time frame, I think? Basically, issues 30-40~ish.
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