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Sooooo, is Hal ok? He hasn't posted since th election.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Sooooo, is Hal ok? He hasn't posted since th election.
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Dec 3, 2015 19:59
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Was actually just the Harper's cats hooked up to keyboards.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Sooooo, is Hal ok? He hasn't posted since th election. No longer being funded from the PM household budget, decomissioned
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Dec 3, 2015 20:20
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Christy Clark, BC's worthless toad of a premier, says Trudeau's senate plan doesn't "address our concerns" (whatever those are) so we're just not going to participate. The senate doesn't represent our interests and she's gonna make sure that remains the case for years to come.! Also, strong economy and jobs.
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Dec 3, 2015 20:25
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Who cares if it's a step in the right direction, it's not a perfect solution that makes everything totally fair and rosy in an afternoon so we hate it, we're folding our arms and if you try to make us go we're going to throw such a tantrum.
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Dec 3, 2015 20:30
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bunnyofdoom posted:Sooooo, is Hal ok? He hasn't posted since th election. In fairness, I don't exactly remember you hanging around here when your party was down in the polls.
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Dec 3, 2015 20:31
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Helsing posted:In fairness, I don't exactly remember you hanging around here when your party was down in the polls. Really? I remember that.
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Dec 3, 2015 20:37
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He's a fair weather poster you can't tell me otherwise  I remember a long silence in the summer between about Bill C-51 and the election.
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Dec 3, 2015 20:42
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Me too, and it was based on him getting poo poo on constantly, if I remember correctly.
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Dec 3, 2015 20:49
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Poor widdle natural governing party. Heavy lies the crown.
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flakeloaf posted:Who cares if it's a step in the right direction, it's not a perfect solution that makes everything totally fair and rosy in an afternoon so we hate it, we're folding our arms and if you try to make us go we're going to throw such a tantrum. It's not really a step in the right direction. It does nothing to address the regional imbalance in the Senate, there's no way to ensure ahead of time that the appointment process will actually achieve its non-partisan goals, and it gives legitimacy to an outdated, undemocratic institution which makes future reforms more difficult. At best it's slightly better than the status quo.
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Helsing posted:Poor widdle natural governing party. Heavy lies the crown. You miserable bitter son of a bitch, why I oughta--
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THC posted:Christy Clark, BC's worthless toad of a premier, says Trudeau's senate plan doesn't "address our concerns" (whatever those are) so we're just not going to participate. The senate doesn't represent our interests and she's gonna make sure that remains the case for years to come.! Was there an e-mail sent about this to her? Maybe it got triple-deleted.
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THC posted:You miserable bitter son of a bitch, why I oughta-- One second thought maybe that shoulda been "heavy libs the crown".
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THC posted:Christy Clark, BC's worthless toad of a premier, says Trudeau's senate plan doesn't "address our concerns" (whatever those are) so we're just not going to participate. The senate doesn't represent our interests and she's gonna make sure that remains the case for years to come.! It occurs to me that she can't opt BC out, just their provincial government. There's nothing stopping the committee from looking elsewhere in the province for feedback. It just means ya'll don't need to worry about Christie Clarke having any influence in the senate picks, which is nice.
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Dec 3, 2015 21:10
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vyelkin posted:Funny how this comes out the same day as a Guardian article about how Uruguay has shifted to 95% renewable energy while also reducing electricity costs. 63% of their capacity is hydro, which they have had for awhile, and while they have indeed been increasing solar/wind, they also import a large amount of energy from Argentina and Brazil, and in 2006 was nearly half their consumption, making the cost aspects of building solar/wind generation a lot more attractive (in addition to good conditions). Per capita consumption is 2,729, versus 12,750 in Ontario (Also 3.4 million vs 13.6 million people), which means the scale of things is much much lower. This ain't to defend Ontario on this (it is quite clear they're bungling things quite badly), but to point out that even without the corruption i'm not confident that things would be exceptionally better. The problem is the idea and conditions, the implementation being complete crap just makes it worse.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Email us. Yes, we do send them out.  I never got a reply from the LPC, other than to fill out a broad survey about what issues are important to me.
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Dec 3, 2015 21:43
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Vic Boss posted:
Sorry. I can confirm your request is with them right now. I'll take you off the email list. Just we're like delayed as poo poo as we get the PMO set up.
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Dec 3, 2015 21:48
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Can you get Justin to at least grow a full dignified beard? Not the poo poo he tried to pull before, that was gross. Can he even grow a proper beard?
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Dec 3, 2015 21:54
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quote:Liberal tax cut leaves most Canadians behind If they feel so strongly about this why didn't the NDP propose this during the election? I'm assuming this proposal is uncosted, completely unviable and this press release is purely for PR purposes.
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quote:Hi jm, Still talking about Harper 
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Coolwhoami posted:63% of their capacity is hydro, which they have had for awhile, and while they have indeed been increasing solar/wind, they also import a large amount of energy from Argentina and Brazil, and in 2006 was nearly half their consumption, making the cost aspects of building solar/wind generation a lot more attractive (in addition to good conditions). Per capita consumption is 2,729, versus 12,750 in Ontario (Also 3.4 million vs 13.6 million people), which means the scale of things is much much lower. No offence man but you clearly didn't read the article. First of all, it talks about how this is a development since a cross-party consensus on Uruguay's energy future was reached in 2008, so figures from 2006 are no longer relevant. Second, the article clearly addresses the issue of importing electricity: quote:“For three years we haven’t imported a single kilowatt hour,” Méndez says. “We used to be reliant on electricity imports from Argentina, but now we export to them. Last summer, we sold a third of our power generation to them.” And third, while it's true that Uruguay is a much smaller place than Ontario, a) their p/c income is somewhere around $20,000 US so it's not like they're some poor backward developing country where no one has ever heard of electricity; and b) the fact that they have a smaller population also means they're doing this with a smaller tax base--there's not really any reason why a success like this couldn't be scaled up to a larger society. The biggest thing Uruguay has going for it, honestly, seems to just be the political will to actually do something about this rather than a) ignoring it or b) using it as an excuse for corruption. Considering that a country most Canadians would consider developing or "third world" looks on track to achieve an 88% cut in carbon emission from their 2009-13 average by 2018 while simultaneously decreasing electricity costs and stopping energy imports, we in Canada should be ashamed of ourselves. e: also looks like the figure you found for p/c electricity consumption was from 2008, so that may have changed since then as well. vyelkin fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Dec 3, 2015 |
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vyelkin posted:No offence man but you clearly didn't read the article. First of all, it talks about how this is a development since a cross-party consensus on Uruguay's energy future was reached in 2008, so figures from 2006 are no longer relevant. Second, the article clearly addresses the issue of importing electricity: It's almost like we're the most uselessly corrupt country in the G7 or something!
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Baronjutter posted:It's almost like we're the most uselessly corrupt country in the G7 or something! Our results are doctored  http://www.transparency.org/cpi2014/results
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Geoff Regan has been elected Speaker Of The House. With the selection of Senator Furey of NL as Senate Speaker today, we are now lorded over by Atlantic Canada. Mwhahaha
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Dec 3, 2015 22:18
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Vancouver wins award at Paris climate summit. It truly is the greenest city.
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Femtosecond posted:If they feel so strongly about this why didn't the NDP propose this during the election? During the election they thought that instead of actually criticizing the Liberal plan they could just repeated the Conservative attack ads about how Trudeau "isn't ready" to lead. It's hardly surprising given that their may way of advertising their own platform was to talk about how "balanced" and "responsible" they were. It was campaign via cargo cult rhetoric. Just keep describing yourself using words that you think voters have positive associations toward, and keep describing the enemy using words that voters have a negative associations toward, and show absolutely no flexibility when that plan clearly doesn't work. It's the new NDP's time tested strategy for remaining in third place and they had it on full display during the last campaign. Even if we assume that voters are dumb, there are limits to how far you can go before even the stupidest person figures out you're condescending toward them. The NDP went well past that limit and paid the price for it.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Sorry. I can confirm your request is with them right now. I'll take you off the email list. Just we're like delayed as poo poo as we get the PMO set up. Would it help if I said that the photo would be a gift for CPC relatives?
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Vic Boss posted:Would it help if I said that the photo would be a gift for CPC relatives? No, sorry. We wanna get these out as soon as we can. we have a big enough backlog.
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vyelkin posted:No offence man but you clearly didn't read the article. First of all, it talks about how this is a development since a cross-party consensus on Uruguay's energy future was reached in 2008, so figures from 2006 are no longer relevant. Second, the article clearly addresses the issue of importing electricity: I missed the past tence on import (imported), which to be fair does change the tone of that sentence. My point was that it was because they were massively importing energy that higher cost alternative sources would become more viable, especially since their needs are substantially lower than Ontario (both in overall capacity and per capita capacity). I absolutely understood their consensus, and was trying to establish that their reasoning was significantly influenced by their dependence on other countries for electricity. It also means that comparing electricity costs from the present to the past needs to take into account that imported electricity usually costs more than it would to produce; If they were higher as a result of this, then it's not hard to see why the costs have gone down. I don't know if this is the case because I don't have those figures, but I don't feel it is unreasonable to assume that the importation issue was certainly at play. The rest of this just reinforces my point, Ontario will likely never have a political consensus with respect energy policy, thus making long term planning and implementation more difficult. quote:Considering that a country most Canadians would consider developing or "third world" looks on track to achieve an 88% cut in carbon emission from their 2009-13 average by 2018 while simultaneously decreasing electricity costs and stopping energy imports, we in Canada should be ashamed of ourselves. I'm going to use numbers from here to talk about this, so we're on the same page: http://cait.wri.org/profile/Uruguay According to this (and it could very well be wrong, inaccurate, etc), Uruguay produced on average 34.44 Mt of GHG gross, 14.68 net after carbon sinks between 2009-2012(in this period the total fell about 1Mt). While this source does not provide year to year on other data, their agricultural sector produced 23.94 Mt of that in 2012. Their energy sector is responsible for 8.58 Mt in the same year, of which more than half is non-electric based (mostly transportation). This means that in order to accomplish their stated goal, they must also overhaul their agricultural industry and reduce other energy-sourced GHG emissions in addition to what they have done to get to that reduction target. This is for a country that has the benefit of low diversity in industry, plus land-use that is substantially reducing their impact. I could bring Canada's numbers out, (and they are readily available there for comparison) but suffice to say we are at a net loss for land use and have extremely diverse sources of GHG production. That isn't to say we shouldn't strive to reduce these numbers but that there are many more things to deal with, and pointing to a country that was in an excellent position to make such changes doesn't say much about our own situation and needs. quote:e: also looks like the figure you found for p/c electricity consumption was from 2008, so that may have changed since then as well. The Ontario figure is from 2005, so it too may have changed (I typically send a bit more time backgrounding this but I felt they were reasonably comparative for my point, but my point was not clear so).
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 New Speaker of the House, Geoff Regan, resists as he is dragged to the Speaker's Chair by PM Trudeau and interim Opposition Leader Ambrose. Upon taking his seat, his first order of business was to inform the house that he would not tolerate heckling. He was then roundly heckled. quote:MPs have elected Liberal Geoff Regan as Speaker of the House of Commons. Kafka Esq. fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Dec 4, 2015 |
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As much as I dislike Wynne, as a lover of absurd comedy, I absolutely enjoy her question period answers. quote:Mr. Patrick Brown: It’s time for the Premier to clear up the confusion that her transportation minister has caused.
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Ikantski posted:As much as I dislike Wynne, as a lover of absurd comedy, I absolutely enjoy her question period answers. If the forums don't survive this migration, I must let you know that I will miss your horrible, non-stop posts about how Wynne is devil-incarnate. 
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Dec 4, 2015 02:02
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If the forums don't survive, I'll miss all of you. with notable exceptions.
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Georgia Straight posted:Today, I received an email from a group called Friends of Science condeming the Alberta government's decision to phase out coal-fired power plants.  "Friends" of "Science" 
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Dec 4, 2015 02:25
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As if I'd believe that anyone who is a friend of Harper is also a friend of science.
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BattleMaster posted:As if I'd believe that anyone who is a friend of Harper is also a friend of science. That's what gets me. After a decade of this, who are they fooling?
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Stretch Marx posted:That's what gets me. After a decade of this, who are they fooling? #realchange quote:The new Chief of Staff to Canada's Minister of Natural Resources used to be the head of communications for the oil industry's lobby group?
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