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Zeroisanumber posted:Politics twists and changes. And the landslide effects of Hillary vs. Trump (or Cruz) would give her a lot of leeway to push whatever she'd like to in the first year or two. Obama burned all his political currency to get the ACA (although he's making plenty of friends in the military industrial complex). Hillary is going to have to call in all her chips (and make some pretty serious promises) to get the nomination (I think). If she is nominated, and then elected, I don't think she'll want to bum rush the 2nd ammendment. I think she's got, what she (and her sponsors) considers, more important things to do.  Zeroisanumber posted:You'd be doing me too much credit to compare me to Christoph Waltz. I wanted to do the nazi thing. Hyperbole is the name of the game. 
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spacetoaster posted:Hillary is going to have to call in all her chips (and make some pretty serious promises) to get the nomination (I think). If she is nominated, and then elected, I don't think she'll want to bum rush the 2nd ammendment. I think she's got, what she (and her sponsors) considers, more important things to do. Nah, she had the nomination locked up the second that Joe Biden decided not to run. Bernie was never a serious challenger, the democrats put mechanisms in place to prevent popular liberal outsiders from taking the nom after McGovern got his skis waxed by Nixon back in 1972. I'll grant you that gun control probably won't be as high up on her list of priorities post-election, but Clinton is nothing if not mutable, and I could see her focusing on it if it remains a hot issue. 
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spacetoaster posted:Obama burned all his political currency to get the ACA (although he's making plenty of friends in the military industrial complex). Hillary is going to have to call in all her chips (and make some pretty serious promises) to get the nomination (I think). 
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blackpresident.png Alabama cops planted drugs and weapons on innocent minorities, and the DA covered it up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VFHpvPwq2i8&t=230s
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Zeroisanumber posted:I'll grant you that gun control probably won't be as high up on her list of priorities post-election, but Clinton is nothing if not mutable, and I could see her focusing on it if it remains a hot issue. I'm certain she could care less about gun control. I imagine there might be some more dumb laws passed (like you can't have a gun that's the color black). But her campaign website shows what she's really excited about :   TenementFunster posted:the point you missed was that is a possibility that the next president will appoint the replacements for Justices Kennedy, Breyer, Ginsburg, and Scalia, presumably remaking the court with justices less likely to buy into the Heller line I didn't miss it. We were talking about Hilldog. But sure, that's a good point. TenementFunster posted:fixing a public health issue that happens to be worshiped by infantilized sociopaths Separation of church and state? wayfinder posted:The ridiculous blah-blah of a bunch of murderers and would-be murderers doesn't matter, just ban those guns and be done with it, make the world a better place. This why I don't worry about anyone doing anything about guns in our country. spacetoaster fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Dec 3, 2015 |
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The ridiculous blah-blah of a bunch of murderers and would-be murderers doesn't matter, just ban those guns and be done with it, make the world a better place.
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wayfinder posted:The ridiculous blah-blah of a bunch of murderers and would-be murderers doesn't matter, just ban those guns and be done with it, make the world a better place. That worked out well in France.  Also it's literally impossible to due because of that pesky bill of rights thing.
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if we banned guns though we might accidentally do something about the unprecedented suicide rate among middle aged white people and veterans
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Popular Thug Drink posted:if we banned guns though we might accidentally do something about the unprecedented suicide rate among middle aged white people and veterans Nah, we'll just do pills. I get a 30 count of percocet (sometimes loritab) just for having some aches whenever I go to community hospital.  Thanks Obama!
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spacetoaster posted:I'm certain she could care less about gun control. I imagine there might be some more dumb laws passed (like you can't have a gun that's the color black). But her campaign website shows what she's really excited about : She wasn't interested in drug treatment either until every person on her small town campaign stops brought up how their families were being eaten alive by heroin, now it's a full-fledged policy goal. 
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Zeroisanumber posted:She wasn't interested in drug treatment either until every person on her small town campaign stops brought up how their families were being eaten alive by heroin, now it's a full-fledged policy goal. That's what it's going to take though. And right now this california shooting is a terrorism thing, and nobody even remembers the PP shooting.  Which really sucks because I want us to take in refugees.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:if we banned guns though we might accidentally do something about the unprecedented suicide rate among middle aged white people and veterans lol, as if our government has ever given a gently caress about vets. Lip service only does but so much, and they're happy to let vets continue offing themselves. 
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Thump! posted:lol, as if our government has ever given a gently caress about vets. Lip service only does but so much, and they're happy to let vets continue offing themselves. I had to debate a friend this morning because, to her, it's easier to believe that it's a concerted effort rather than people not caring. 
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As a not-American I find the gun control 'debate' absolutely baffling and I have two questions for the pro gun crowd. 1. Are you aware how bizarre and strange your outlook is to everyone from other western countries? 2. What are the arguments 'pro' guns? Like I understand you want to avoid regulating them because of *reasons* but what are the 'pros' in your mind? Like what benefit to society/people/the nation is there if there are no/reduced restrictions on gun ownership and purchase, besides hobbyists being able to pew-pew at stuff? In the sense that education makes people smarter, health care makes people live longer and be more productive/happier etc, what do guns do that betters society? Genuine questions. Obligatory GIS image: 
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NYTimes is going in this week. quote:But the charge can be easily fleshed out with more examples. Writing for Slate last week, Jamelle Bouie argued that Trumpism, however ideologically inchoate, manifests at least seven of the hallmarks of fascism identified by the Italian polymath Umberto Eco. They include: a cult of action, a celebration of aggressive masculinity, an intolerance of criticism, a fear of difference and outsiders, a pitch to the frustrations of the lower middle class, an intense nationalism and resentment at national humiliation, and a “popular elitism” that promises every citizen that they’re part of “the best people of the world.”
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Slavvy posted:As a not-American I find the gun control 'debate' absolutely baffling and I have two questions for the pro gun crowd. Replace 'gun' with 'penis' and you'll get the appeal. 
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That article is actually pretty amazing because Douthat goes through of the trouble of labeling Trump-ism as a fascist movement but never makes the connection with the fact that he's ostensibly on the same side as the people that he's calling fascist. 
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quote:Australia Enjoys Another Peaceful Day Under Oppressive Gun Control Regime Unrelated:      
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Cute, but total bullshit   ... Meanwhile... 
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I like the converse of what this image is obviously getting at. Make abortions super easy to get and explicitly protected by the constitution. 
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Thump! posted:they're happy to let vets continue offing themselves. 
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The Lieutenant Governor of Texas keeping it classy. 
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Scratch Monkey posted:That worked out well in France. Laws are, ideally, about shifting the probability of a certain outcome toward a favorable (or favored) direction. Laws outlawing murder, while ineffective at stopping all instances of murder, have the effect of reducing the number of murders (in establishing punishments for the crime, for example). From this crude utilitarian perspective, I think we can agree that laws against murder are effective and necessary, assuming you believe it is a matter of a nation's public policy to involve itself with mitigating the killing of its citizens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP1AoocnoXM
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Scratch Monkey posted:That worked out well in France. Double post. Uh, here's a pic of Horace Greeley. 
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Scratch Monkey posted:
It's not impossible at all. The current SCOTUS interpretation of the 2nd amendment is far broader than all previous rulings. All it takes is for Scalia and Alito to finally shed their human skins and return to their mothership and it's very possible that the court would overturn DC vs Heller and revert to the previous, far more restrictive interpretation of US vs Cruikshank - which explicitly ruled out an individual right. After the Oregon shooting. 
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Slavvy posted:As a not-American I find the gun control 'debate' absolutely baffling and I have two questions for the pro gun crowd. Well, the National Guard are the organized militia, and trace their heritage back to the Minute Men so, a good cartoon.  
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I think that responsible persons who want to own firearms should be allowed to own firearms.
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TenementFunster posted:to be fair, have you read GIP lately? I follow the Mil Pics and USMC threads, and I assume that anything I read in that forum is taken with a gigantic boulder of salt. But yeah, whole lotta vets are shitheads, but then again a lot of people in this country are shitheads, and the military is a great microcosm of the poorer elements of US society. Armyman25 posted:Well, the National Guard are the organized militia, and trace their heritage back to the Minute Men so, a good cartoon. Goddamn why do National Guard dudes always look like the biggest goobers?  If you block your face out, no one get's to see you look like a weirdo 
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Helen Highwater posted:which explicitly ruled out an individual right. Isn't it funny how when the word "people" is used in the bill of rights it refers to individual rights, except in the one case where you don't want it to?  
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 conservatives and liberals should reach across the aisle and solve this problem once and for all. the liberals need to accept guns from the conservative stockpiles and together kill the exploitative global economic elite before turning on one another edit: global ideological civil war now huskarl_marx fucked around with this message at 09:23 on Dec 4, 2015 |
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