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Inzombiac posted:If I had a nickel for every time I've heard someone claim, "Oh, I've had everything planned out from the beginning." Or D&D from GoT
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To get back on to movies, Christopher Priest has said that he wishes he'd thought of the monologue Michael Caine gives at the start of the trailer for The Prestige. And as George Lucas so adequately proved with the Star Wars Special Editions, art is never finished, only abandoned.
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Dec 3, 2015 14:54
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Aleph Null posted:For a writer, a book is never finished. There are always new and better ideas. Why didn't I make Frodo and Sam kiss? He was giving all kinds of signals, it would have been perfect!
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Dec 3, 2015 16:04
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Jedit posted:To get back on to movies, Christopher Priest has said that he wishes he'd thought of the monologue Michael Caine gives at the start of the trailer for The Prestige. And as George Lucas so adequately proved with the Star Wars Special Editions, art is never finished, only abandoned. Later he'll decide that Jackman's character comes across as too much of a bad guy and decide that Norton's character should shoot first 
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Dec 3, 2015 16:52
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Zaphod42 posted:Later he'll decide that Jackman's character comes across as too much of a bad guy and decide that Norton's character should shoot first This hosed me up because I think you meant Bale, not Norton. Norton was in The Illusionist, which was also about magic and came out like the same week The Prestige did. Took me a second to remember they were two different movies.
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Joey Freshwater posted:This hosed me up because I think you meant Bale, not Norton. Norton was in The Illusionist, which was also about magic and came out like the same week The Prestige did. I spent the entire run time of The Illusionist wondering when Wolverine was going to show up. It was a supremely confusing film for me.
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Joey Freshwater posted:This hosed me up because I think you meant Bale, not Norton. Norton was in The Illusionist, which was also about magic and came out like the same week The Prestige did. poo poo you're right. The two films just like blur together in my mind. How about this for an Irritating Movie Moment: Hollywood constantly does this thing where they find out somebody is making a movie so they rush to make the same movie at the same time, I guess to compete or steal their thunder or something. Its a huge dick move. Antz vs A bug's life, for example. Same exact concept coming out at the same exact time from two different studios. You see this poo poo constantly. "They're making a sci-fi movie! Lets make one!" "they're making a superhero movie, we should do that too." "Hey, disaster movie? Count us in too!" Zaphod42 has a new favorite as of 17:18 on Dec 3, 2015 |
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Dec 3, 2015 17:16
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Zaphod42 posted:poo poo you're right. The two films just like blur together in my mind. Cross promotion. They get to make a similar (thing) and not spend half as much on advertising it because the other guy already did it for them. Which is why you see movies come out in pairs like that.
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I watched those two movies about the White House being attacked back to back and now they've run together with the GI Joe White House part in my memory. That was just such a specific thing for there to be more than one movie about, my brain's decided it was all one movie with a huge cast.
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Dec 3, 2015 19:13
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Zaphod42 posted:poo poo you're right. The two films just like blur together in my mind. There were also those two rom-coms about fuckbuddies within like a six-month span a few years back.
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Dec 3, 2015 19:15
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Not to mention the two Herculeses. Herculi? Herculodes?
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Zaphod42 posted:poo poo you're right. The two films just like blur together in my mind. Dante's Peak/Volcano and Deep Impact/Armageddon are the ones that bothered me most about that
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Dec 3, 2015 19:21
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Caedus posted:I watched those two movies about the White House being attacked back to back and now they've run together with the GI Joe White House part in my memory. That was just such a specific thing for there to be more than one movie about, my brain's decided it was all one movie with a huge cast. Wasn't Channing Tatum in more than one of those movies, also? That probably doesn't help.
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Dec 3, 2015 19:24
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thespaceinvader posted:Not to mention the two Herculeses. Herculi? Herculodes? And they were both garbage too. AnonSpore posted:Dante's Peak/Volcano and Deep Impact/Armageddon are the ones that bothered me most about that Yeah it was when Deep Impact / Armageddon came out that I first noticed it as a kid and said "hey!"
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Joey Freshwater posted:This hosed me up because I think you meant Bale, not Norton. Norton was in The Illusionist, which was also about magic and came out like the same week The Prestige did. Not quite so "irrational" but gently caress the Ilusionist is a garbage film. My biggest gripe (apart from the whole, cause a man to commit suicide cause we dont like him plot :| ) is that the "magic" in the context of the movie audience is entirely real. The orange tree, the "ghosts" etc.. are shown with special effects designed to make them look like real magic is being done. Then the movie shows us how they were all tricks all along despite them being LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE TO HAVE PULLED OFF IN THE 19TH CENTURY. Its like watching those awful tv "street" magicians who do amazing tricks that turn out to be post editing and just actors. So you know, no different to any other film maker ever.
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MariusLecter posted:Antz was really, REALLY bad. I like it better than bug's life  To each his own.
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Patattack posted:Wasn't Channing Tatum in more than one of those movies, also? That probably doesn't help. White House Down was the Tatum one, Olympus Has Fallen was the other one. Which reminds me that 22 Jump Street had a line in it about Tatum's role in that movie. And also reminded me that Olympus Has Fallen is getting a sequel: "London Has Fallen". And THAT makes me wonder if "Salt" is getting a sequel. Edit: Nope because the extended cut that was later released tied up the "Sequel" thread. Eldritch BiLast has a new favorite as of 20:01 on Dec 3, 2015 |
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Nutsngum posted:Not quite so "irrational" but gently caress the Ilusionist is a garbage film. Now You See Me is like that too. Most of the magic is just actual magic. They explain a couple of tricks, but there's lots of other stuff they do that's just not possible to fake.
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Nutsngum posted:Not quite so "irrational" but gently caress the Ilusionist is a garbage film. You can kinda explain that as being the movie is the audience's interpretation and not literal fact; unreliable narrator and all that. But in film those kinds of elements are often very frustrating, since yeah, you can see it and its generally assumed that the camera is an unbiased point of view unless otherwise explicitly shown. Its like in Game of Thrones, there's a whole bit in the book where Barriston Selmy goes to Daenerys but you don't know its him. Its just some old man because nobody in Essos recognizes him. Then Ser Jorah shows up and the book is suddenly like "Barriston Semy says" and you're like "Whaaaat!" But something like that just flat out doesn't work in film. You'd recognize the actor right away unless they went to huge levels to hide his face, in which case something would obviously be going on. And if they just swapped the actor, then the later reveal would feel like you were being cheated, it would seem "unfair". There's a ton of dramas and heist films and such that only work because they depend upon audience ignorance of something the characters know the whole time and I generally hate that. Even worse is when a character starts talking like they're about to explain whats going to happen and then the camera just conveniently cuts away so you don't get to hear it. Anime is especially guilty of this, they love to use pronouns to build (fake) tension. "I'm going to use THAT technique!" "Oh no, not THAT technique!!!" "What happened?" "I think HE finally escaped." "Not.... HIM!" Dun dun dunn! Tune in next week to find out what the gently caress these characters were talking about! Zaphod42 has a new favorite as of 20:05 on Dec 3, 2015 |
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Nutsngum posted:Not quite so "irrational" but gently caress the Ilusionist is a garbage film. I was waiting that entire movie for them to show that the prince (or duke or count or whatever he was) was a bad guy and deserved what happened but they never did and that really bothered me.
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Depressio111117 posted:I was waiting that entire movie for them to show that the prince (or duke or count or whatever he was) was a bad guy and deserved what happened but they never did and that really bothered me. I thought it was pretty funny when Paul Giamatti was reminiscing about all the staged scenes throughout the movie that he'd just figured out and was laughing about it. "That rascally Maybe it was dark comedy the whole time and we didn't 'get it.'
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Depressio111117 posted:I was waiting that entire movie for them to show that the prince (or duke or count or whatever he was) was a bad guy and deserved what happened but they never did and that really bothered me. Yeah they talk about a rumor that he hurt his last girlfriend or whatever but they never confirm it. Also the whole thing seems way too vindictive when they could have just faked her death and got her out of there without tormenting the guy/making it look like he killed her.
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Zaphod42 posted:How about this for an Irritating Movie Moment: The latest Bond and MI films did this as well, and I think I read that MI: Rogue Nation's release was brought forwards so they could get there first. Spy films have been really over-done this year: when I saw Rogue Nation, literally every trailer was for a spy film.
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I read a theory somewhere that the way it works is a table full of Hollywood hacks are spitballing ideas, two of them come away with the same basic idea, write a script, get greenlight/funding etc and sign contracts before finding out about the other one. Then because it's advantageous to both for reasons explained above, Hollywood momentum takes over and two pieces of poo poo get crapped out. Very few of these "doubles" movies are worth a drat, wonder what the connection is.
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I've always wondered about about sexual assault on the Hogwarts campus. Any place that mixes 14-17 year old boys, "love potions" and memory erasing spells would be rape central. Does Hogwarts do what most colleges in these cases do and just cover everything up? Do they tell the girls " It was your own fault for not practicing your Legumitilitis or not having your anti rape patroneus summoned"? Could you just make a polyp juice potion of a girl's boyfriend, knock him out, drink the potion and then just bang his girlfriend all day with her being none the wiser? It worked in Revenge of the Nerds.
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Your Gay Uncle posted:I've always wondered about about sexual assault on the Hogwarts campus. Any place that mixes 14-17 year old boys, "love potions" and memory erasing spells would be rape central. Does Hogwarts do what most colleges in these cases do and just cover everything up? Do they tell the girls " It was your own fault for not practicing your Legumitilitis or not having your anti rape patroneus summoned"? What a dark and creepy thing to always wonder about.
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Your Gay Uncle posted:I've always wondered about about sexual assault on the Hogwarts campus. Any place that mixes 14-17 year old boys, "love potions" and memory erasing spells would be rape central. Does Hogwarts do what most colleges in these cases do and just cover everything up? Do they tell the girls " It was your own fault for not practicing your Legumitilitis or not having your anti rape patroneus summoned"? Harry broke curfew once and had to wander a haunted loving forest with things out to kill him. I'm pretty sure the Headmasters and Professor Maggie Smith would have no tolerance for that and send the 14 year old straight to Azkaban for magic abuse.
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Your Gay Uncle posted:Could you just make a polyp juice potion Ewwww.
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Your Gay Uncle posted:I've always wondered about about sexual assault on the Hogwarts campus. Any place that mixes 14-17 year old boys, "love potions" and memory erasing spells would be rape central. Does Hogwarts do what most colleges in these cases do and just cover everything up? Do they tell the girls " It was your own fault for not practicing your Legumitilitis or not having your anti rape patroneus summoned"? I nerd out about a lot of minor details in movies and books and poo poo but I have never once wondered this at all. Its a loving book. Source your quotes 
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Jerusalem posted:I love that the whole human cast spends the entire time being huge douchebags towards their own "intelligent" creation and belittling the idea he could have thoughts/feelings, then being surprised and shocked when they discover their own creators feel the same way about them. I actually like Prometheus and am fairly certain that how stupid and shortsighted everyone is totally intentional. I mean it's not nearly as good as Alien or Aliens but it's far better than Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection and at least as good as Planet of the Vampires.
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Your Gay Uncle posted:I've always wondered about about sexual assault on the Hogwarts campus. Any place that mixes 14-17 year old boys, "love potions" and memory erasing spells would be rape central. Does Hogwarts do what most colleges in these cases do and just cover everything up? Do they tell the girls " It was your own fault for not practicing your Legumitilitis or not having your anti rape patroneus summoned"? Based on Rowling's description of Valentine's Day at Hogwarts, it's best not to think about it.
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Your Gay Uncle posted:I've always wondered about about sexual assault on the Hogwarts campus. Any place that mixes 14-17 year old boys, "love potions" and memory erasing spells would be rape central. Does Hogwarts do what most colleges in these cases do and just cover everything up? Do they tell the girls " It was your own fault for not practicing your Legumitilitis or not having your anti rape patroneus summoned"? I can't believe I'm responding to something like this, but I believe it was mentioned that they're very difficult to brew and require some rare ingredients. Way beyond the talents/means of a teenager
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screaden posted:I can't believe I'm responding to something like this, but I believe it was mentioned that they're very difficult to brew and require some rare ingredients. Way beyond the talents/means of a teenager Except the three teenagers that make them in whichever book it is. I mean, the argument there is "Hermione is a prodigy and is wizarding at a much higher level than other students" but it's not impossible.
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Memento posted:Except the three teenagers that make them in whichever book it is. I mean, the argument there is "Hermione is a prodigy and is wizarding at a much higher level than other students" but it's not impossible. It takes months to brew, requires stealing from Snape himself, and also requires a book from the restricted section. But yeah, its pretty hard to imagine other people wouldn't be able to also. But at risk of engaging in this topic, the ministry of magic probably considers most polyjuice use a crime and you get into serious trouble? Then again, if Hermione can get away with it... 
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The Weasley twins did it for sure
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syscall girl posted:Now she is bathroom ghost stay safe bathroom ghost
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FreudianSlippers posted:I actually like Prometheus and am fairly certain that how stupid and shortsighted everyone is totally intentional. I mean it's not nearly as good as Alien or Aliens but it's far better than Alien 3 and Alien Resurrection and at least as good as Planet of the Vampires. It's not even as good as Alien 3. It's starts so well I love David hanging out watching Lawerance of Arabia but then it just gets stupider & stupider. Angry alien is fine and some of the characters are good but it's just a loving soggy mess.
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Krypt-OOO-Nite!! posted:It's not even as good as Alien 3. Yeah but its better than Alien Resurrection
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