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I hope they eventually print a 'fixed' version of SFM without the cheatyface active. Heliod's Pilgrim, basically.
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suicidesteve posted:I still think the loser should have their name changed to Painful Truths and have their picture changed to its art. black potus -> painful truths mcmagic -> convincing mirage
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suicidesteve posted:I still think the loser should have their name changed to Painful Truths and have their picture changed to its art. It doesn't die to Bolt...
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Dec 4, 2015 19:57
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mcmagic is not allowed to put ellipses in his posts in this thread anymore.
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I want to say that Painful Truths sounds like a disguised title for goatse
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Procrastinator posted:mcmagic is not allowed to put ellipses in his posts in this thread anymore. Never agreeing to this.
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mcmagic posted:It doesn't die to Bolt... Stoneforge dies to Bolt. And I don't think anyone is going to make the claim that 1W: put a Batterskull into your hand is particularly broken. Procrastinator posted:mcmagic is not allowed to put ellipses in his posts in this thread anymore. This. gangsines has to use proper punctuation and mcmagic cant use his ellipses any more.
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mcmagic posted:Never agreeing to this. what a buzzkill......
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suicidesteve posted:Stoneforge dies to Bolt. And I don't think anyone is going to make the claim that 1W: put a Batterskull into your hand is particularly broken. 1W: "Your opponent reveals a Bolt from their hand or loses the game" is pretty broken.
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JerryLee posted:I hope they eventually print a 'fixed' version of SFM without the cheatyface active. Heliod's Pilgrim, basically. We got Relic Seeker, which was this but worse.
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I suspect that if kolaghan's command had been around as a clean maindeckable 1:1 answer to both stoneforge and the batterskull maybe sfm wouldn't have been banned, but it won't let sfm be unbanned just by existing so 
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suicidesteve posted:Stoneforge dies to Bolt. And I don't think anyone is going to make the claim that 1W: put a Batterskull into your hand is particularly broken. It's not "1W: put a Batterskull into your hand" broken its the combination of "1W: put a Batterskull into your hand" and "1W: put a Batterskull onto the battlefield"
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suicidesteve posted:I still think the loser should have their name changed to Painful Truths and have their picture changed to its art. this is a terrible idea because black potus is a great id
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Procrastinator posted:mcmagic is not allowed to put ellipses in his posts in this thread anymore. 
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mcmagic posted:1W: "Your opponent reveals a Bolt from their hand or loses the game" is pretty broken... Angry Grimace posted:It's not "1W: put a Batterskull into your hand" broken its the combination of "1W: put a Batterskull into your hand" and "1W: put a Batterskull onto the battlefield" Ok but again, why is a 1 mana 4/5 or 5/5 that comes down on turn 2 ok but a 4/4 vigilance lifelink that comes down turn 3 assuming your opponent doesn't interact with you in any way not? Like what deck can't beat a Batterskull? The only ones I can think of that would suffer from this are Zoo and Burn, and that's definitely a good thing in my book.
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I'm trying to make a competitive Wild Pair Legacy deck. Are there any two 1/1 (or 0/2) creatures that combo together better than Devoted Druid and Quillspike? Those two give me an infinitely big creature, but it doesn't have evasion, and I need to wait a turn to attack. Suggestions?
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suicidesteve posted:Ok but again, why is a 1 mana 4/5 or 5/5 that comes down on turn 2 ok but a 4/4 vigilance lifelink that comes down turn 3 assuming your opponent doesn't interact with you in any way not? Like what deck can't beat a Batterskull? The only ones I can think of that would suffer from this are Zoo and Burn, and that's definitely a good thing in my book. It's also not counterable and they can tutor it up as part of a toolbox of equipment. I think that just as Stoneforge with only the ETB wouldn't be broken, Stoneforge with only the active wouldn't be broken (it would also be a lot less good than the tutor version, I bet, but that's beside the point). It's the combination.
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suicidesteve posted:Ok but again, why is a 1 mana 4/5 or 5/5 that comes down on turn 2 ok but a 4/4 vigilance lifelink that comes down turn 3 assuming your opponent doesn't interact with you in any way not? Like what deck can't beat a Batterskull? The only ones I can think of that would suffer from this are Zoo and Burn, and that's definitely a good thing in my book. A lot of reasons. Turn 2 Tasigur requires you to Thought Scour yourself to happen, Stoneforge Mystic pulls out Batterskulls out of your deck for free, Tasigur dies to everything/Batterskull doesn't, the Batterskull part isn't counterable. The mainboard answer to Batterskull isn't bolt, terminate, Go for the Throat, Cut or anything else that kills Tasigur, its basically just Kolaghan's Command.
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suicidesteve posted:Stoneforge dies to Bolt. And I don't think anyone is going to make the claim that 1W: put a Batterskull into your hand is particularly broken. "dies to removal"
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Dec 4, 2015 20:26
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Saying that Stoneforge Mystic dies to Bolt is the poster child for why people get pissed off at "dies to removal" even though that argument has its time and place. You get a Batterskull in your hand for free.
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If Stoneforge was a demonic tutor for batterskull that also made your opponent discard a removal spell, it would still be really really good.
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Most creatures either have a strong board presence and demand an answer, but give you nothing if removed; or have a strong etb ability that lets them pay for themselves immediately, but leave behind a subpar body that doesn't really demand an answer. They either get shut down by removal, or aren't scary enough once they're on the battlefield to warrant removal. One of the things that makes Stoneforge Mystic so good is that it does both. It replaces itself on etb so you still come out ahead if it does get removed, and then it also ruins the opponent's day if it doesn't get removed.
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Bread Set Jettison posted:"dies to removal" It's cool how people don't understand that "your opponent must spend his next turn using a removal spell on this creature, or else they lose the game" is usually an upside for 1-2 mana creatures. little munchkin fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Dec 4, 2015 |
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Chamale posted:I'm trying to make a competitive Wild Pair Legacy deck. Are there any two 1/1 (or 0/2) creatures that combo together better than Devoted Druid and Quillspike? Those two give me an infinitely big creature, but it doesn't have evasion, and I need to wait a turn to attack. Suggestions? I think you'll first have to abandon the Wild Pair idea or the hope of being competitive.
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Pussy Snorkel posted:I think you'll first have to abandon the Wild Pair idea or the hope of being competitive. Wild Pair reminds me that I gave a friend of mine the idea to play Charging Badger in his Ezuri, Claw of Progress deck because it's full of 1/1s and 2/2s anyway, "you know, so you have a definite wincon" I had the whole store in tears. It was wonderful.
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mcmagic if you won't stop using ellipses please propose some stakes thank you
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black potus posted:mcmagic if you won't stop using ellipses please propose some stakes thank you I'm nowhere near creative enough. The bet was your idea lol.
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run whatever list Chamale comes up with for wild pair through a gp/open/etc. and post a detailed tourney report
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black potus posted:run whatever list Chamale comes up with for wild pair through a gp/open/etc. and post a detailed tourney report lol sold.
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Show and Pair. Break out of the Legacy scene.
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Pussy Snorkel posted:I think you'll first have to abandon the Wild Pair idea or the hope of being competitive. OK by "competitive" I mean I'll be playing it in a player-run tournament that rewards players for winning in weird ways. This is the same event where I once made bank with Dream Halls + Conflux because it allowed me to win in alternative ways such as Barren Glory, Near-Death Experience, Laboratory Maniac, and Phage the Untouchable. Tribal Apocalypse if anyone else wants to get in on this fun, it's every Saturday at 1700 GMT.
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Even if they don't unban Stoneforge, I hope they unban something in Modern.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Even if they don't unban Stoneforge, I hope they unban something in Modern. Dread Return or Sword of the Meek are probably fine.
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Stoddard on making double small set drafts work Biggest takeaways are more commons and less lovely commons (especially cycles of those).
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TheKingofSprings posted:Even if they don't unban Stoneforge, I hope they unban something in Modern. Printing good new cards for modern > Unbanning stuff.
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C-Euro posted:Does it just play out like a Modern Sneak & Show, AKA "ramp into spell that cheats a huge fuckoff creature into play"? Seems like it might be a little more difficult than that since you can't run any cheap ramp for fear of hitting it with Cascade.
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Rinkles posted:Stoddard on making double small set drafts work "Don't make all the cards really bad" is some pretty good advice, maybe we'll go back to the era of playable commons again
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Serperoth posted:Besides, we just got Judge promos this year. I don't think they cycle through them that fast. 2 of the 2015 promos haven't been spoiled yet (1/8 and 2/8, 3/8 is Rishadan Port). I reckon SFM was meant to be 1/8 but they changed their mind
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Rinkles posted:Stoddard on making double small set drafts work Other takeaway: Stoddard also recognizes that Spider Spawning is the best.
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mfcrocker posted:3/8 is Rishadan Port). What?! When was this announced?
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