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Pain of Mind posted:I have found with carriers I either do really well, or nothing at all, with little in-between. Dive bombers seem pretty useless since they are very inaccurate unless they are not moving at all, and even then they do not do that much damage. It is kind of like a less accurate battleship salvo that takes 5x longer to reload and can be shot down. Maybe with better commanders they get better. Torpedo bombers are pretty good, it is always fun one shotting a BB, but good teams will be proficient at shooting them down. I probably on average do more damage consistently with a destroyer or battleship. Then again I might just be bad. That is more or less the case - you'll either obliterate the opposing team, or do barely anything in the match. There are a few tricks to getting the most out of your carrier, I'm listing tactics here with a torpedo-only loadout: 1) Knowing how to position your in-flight formations to take advantage of subs/destroyers/CLs spotting for your team. 2) Determining the minimum amount of descending distance at top or near-top speed for your torp bombers to perform small adjustments as they get closer to the target ship without having them ascend and circle back to try to make a different pass (without mastering this, you will lose a ton of torp bombers and potential damage/kills) 3) Determine the absolute minimum distance needed for torpedoes to arm themselves in relation to the target. This isn't always required since torpedos go so fast, bb's can rarely get out of the way from a longer distance, but it's usually needed for fast CLs and DDs as well as smaller subs. Note that on a torp run, once descending, if the lead plane on the run gets shot down while attempting the descend for unleashing torps, the torp run is canceled and the squad will not unleash, circle around and probably die to AA. This is very frustrating. This frustration is mitigated by the chance of dunking on hapless ships with a quite small arming range across nations. 4) Learn how to perform 90-degree torpedo turn runs on targets - this will throw off a target into thinking the bombers are proceeding to another target, then they get flanked by a torp run. Best if used at a range where the turn only periodically brings the squad into AA range and there is an additional 'decoy' target in the misdirection. 5) Learn how to position fighters to anticipate enemy planes flying for your friendly BBs. The most delicious tears are tears of rage of the enemy carrier. 6) Learn how to scout. Learning how to scout is last in importance because you should actually depend on your team for a good deal of scouting, beyond the initial sacrifice of a few single scout plane squads thrown across the map towards the start-middle of the round for that sweet, sweet spotting xp. You absolutely need officers with "increase scouting range of aircraft" skill like Spruance, because the 800-900 default range you get at the starting tiers is useless for spotting and getting out alive. Strangely enough, with spotting officers maxed for a 2km-ish spotting range, this is the only surefire way with micromanagement to use scout planes, discover an enemy, and hightail it back without risk of damage from the enemy (fighter squads not included.) There's a translated writeup on the steam community forums about descending distance and 90 degree torp runs but no pictures, I have to find the original chinese thread with pics from Baidu. Note I have never bothered using dive bombers on my japanese carriers, ThirdWorldReggin might have advice on dive bombers on his US boats. Pacra fucked around with this message at 02:16 on Dec 4, 2015 |
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Ok you two are in the fleet. I made a bit more space.
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Dec 4, 2015 02:31
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So lets talk dive bombers. They are not your most useful bombers. Not in damage or survivability. The Rangers Tier 6 torpedo bombers do 690 damage and the rangers Tier 6 dive bombers do 536 damage. They each fly in wings of 4 and it is way easier to get more hits with torpedo bombers than dive bombers. The torpedo spread is nicer and you can do it from range. There are very few instances that you want to actually use dive bombers, but first, here is how their aiming works.  The left reticule is almost fully aimed in while the one on the right is at max bloom. Just like your guns, if you move where they are aiming, the bloom will get larger, but only slightly so for small corrections. These guys need about 11 seconds to aim fully in. They can also do corrections when really close to their target, which torpedo bombers can not. This makes them only some what useful as you need either a very distracted ship or an island to pop over to make the most use of them. If you can pop right over an island with two or three wings of dive bombers, you can pretty much guarantee a large ship is dead or really hosed up.  Stat wise, the japanese are a bit better at aiming and turning which is a huge plus. The americans move faster, have more health, and more damage. It is really a toss up on which is better but moving across the map faster tends to be more useful. So use them on maps with tons of islands or if you want to loop around an enemy fleet and garuntee a single target is dead. Torpdeo bombers still do this well enough. They are great at ambushing targets.
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Dec 4, 2015 02:55
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I wonder how the British Carriers will compare. Maybe when they come in I'll give carriers a go.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:I wonder how the British Carriers will compare. Maybe when they come in I'll give carriers a go. That's what I'm hoping. I finished the Hosho, unlocked the next one which I can't spell, sold the Hosho and not touching carriers again till the British stuff comes out.
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Dec 4, 2015 12:01
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Applied as Olesh; the queues late night are kind of garbage but I'm kind of hoping that will improve? Right now something resembling reasonable queue times is the only thing World of Warships has over this; are queues better during normal prime time? It seems nearly impossible to get in a round with full group of 5 sometimes.
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Dec 4, 2015 12:06
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Ratzap posted:That's what I'm hoping. I finished the Hosho, unlocked the next one which I can't spell, sold the Hosho and not touching carriers again till the British stuff comes out. Why would you sell the Hosho? It's a fantastic entry carrier. Unless you have a brit boner I guess
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Dec 4, 2015 17:48
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Olesh posted:Applied as Olesh; the queues late night are kind of garbage but I'm kind of hoping that will improve? Right now something resembling reasonable queue times is the only thing World of Warships has over this; are queues better during normal prime time? It seems nearly impossible to get in a round with full group of 5 sometimes. Groups of 5 are a bit of a trap; even during normal prime time it takes a few minutes to get a game. Otherwise, queue times aren't bad if you're not playing higher tiers.
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Dec 4, 2015 17:51
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I applied as Iniquitous. So far I am 7 of 8 wins in destroyers and 0 of 7 in battleships. I think the game might be trying to tell me something.
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Dec 4, 2015 18:34
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Pacra posted:Why would you sell the Hosho? It's a fantastic entry carrier. Unless you have a brit boner I guess Carrier play isn't as fun for me as destroyer/cruiser/submarine at the moment and the fact that matches are boom or bust seemingly on a whim just nails it. I'm British from a naval family so that probably qualifies as a brit boner (I bought a warspite in WoWS) which is why I'll try carriers again when they come out. For now, I just don't enjoy weak sauce dive bombers which only become useful if I can surprise attack over an island. Torps work but the planes are easy to shoot down. I didn't sell it because of the Hosh-ness but because of the carrier-ness if you get what I mean.
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Dec 4, 2015 19:30
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It'll be fun to use low-tier British torpedo bombers.   I just hope they aren't too painfully slow.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:It'll be fun to use low-tier British torpedo bombers. The real ones certainly were - your swordfish there had a 120 knot speed with a torpedo but they were so versatile and tough. We'll have to see how they get 'gamified' in steel ocean.
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Dec 4, 2015 20:36
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Yeah, it should be interesting. Not sure what they'll use as dive bombers. I mean I know the Swordfish could function as a divebomber but... yeah. Barracudas I guess. Maybe the Spearfish as a high-tier torp/dive bomber.
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Dec 4, 2015 20:48
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Ratzap posted:Carrier play isn't as fun for me as destroyer/cruiser/submarine at the moment and the fact that matches are boom or bust seemingly on a whim just nails it. Carriers have a steep learning curve. You get into T3-T4 and get a crazy mix of pubbies and really skilled players with hundreds of hours of carrier play, who can pretty much point blank torpedo you while distracting your AA with dive bombers.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:50
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James Garfield posted:Groups of 5 are a bit of a trap; even during normal prime time it takes a few minutes to get a game. Otherwise, queue times aren't bad if you're not playing higher tiers. A few minutes would be tolerable with five of us in voice and bullshitting. It's when there's fifteen minutes between rounds and the average queue time is 10+ minutes that it gets irritating. It doesn't help that late at night we're 10% of the people in queue. I mean, obviously a solution to speed things up is to split into smaller groups, but I'm hoping that the queues were less garbage during prime. It seems like that's the case, so there's some hope if the playerbase grows.
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Dec 4, 2015 22:01
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Meat_Grinder posted:Carriers have a steep learning curve. You get into T3-T4 and get a crazy mix of pubbies and really skilled players with hundreds of hours of carrier play, who can pretty much point blank torpedo you while distracting your AA with dive bombers. So what are you trying to say? L2P? That seems a rather steep conclusion without ever having seen me play or know how much experience I have.
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Dec 4, 2015 22:07
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Game would own if the 10000+ or so primetime WOWS players came to their senses and moved over Edit : assuming wargaming isn't lying their pants off of 10k in primetime NA
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Dec 4, 2015 22:22
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The trick is to sync drop and not be in a 5 man platoon. This game learned a lot from world of tanks, and at one point there was a huge issue with platoons and unbalanced games. So world of tanks changed it so platoons had a higher chance of fighting other platoons at the expense of a lower chance and longer wait if no other platoons were out there. This game has the same thing so platoons have a long wait. Sync dropping can be instant on the other hand.
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Dec 4, 2015 22:23
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Ratzap posted:So what are you trying to say? L2P? That seems a rather steep conclusion without ever having seen me play or know how much experience I have. No, I was just recalling my experience with carriers  UPD Also, current matchmaking pretty much negates your skill as a solo player. I'm sure you've gotten bundled up with pubbies against competent players multiple times already. It doesn't matter how good you are, if you are spotting for BBs that don't bother to shoot your spotted targets, or if your fleet leaves you alone against two submarines. Meat_Grinder fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Dec 5, 2015 |
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Dec 4, 2015 23:03
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3 or less seems to be the magic number for platoon size. I never 5 man platoon anymore because like Grithok said, it's going to gently caress you.
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Dec 4, 2015 23:29
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ZombieApostate posted:I applied as Iniquitous. Correction, the Nassau is a steaming pile of barf poo, but the Kawachi is cool and good.
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Dec 4, 2015 23:48
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Reappied as crazedkid103. Omaha still not good. Florida is crazy. the Hegoland is so so.
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ZombieApostate posted:Correction, the Nassau is a steaming pile of barf poo, but the Kawachi is cool and good. Nassau still has that one set of secondaries that gets 13 shots/minute instead of the 5/min you get with every other version of that gun.
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Dec 5, 2015 01:38
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Yeah, those are great for killing the small fry, but then you have to fight a real BB and can't hurt it  .
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Applying repeatedly when I recall as Veloxyll. ZombieApostate posted:Yeah, those are great for killing the small fry, but then you have to fight a real BB and can't hurt it Luckily, you still have your main gjuns for that. I miss my rapid fire secondaries 
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Just had a really good run in my Bagley. So many subs just stopping dead, as if then the torpedoes can't see them.
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At what point do the credits pick up? I have enough XP for the Tier IV U-Boat and nearly enough for a Wyoming, but only enough to buy one of them. It looks like the U-Boat upgrade is marginal, though. So how does the Wyoming compare to the Florida? Worth getting first?
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Humbaba posted:At what point do the credits pick up? I have enough XP for the Tier IV U-Boat and nearly enough for a Wyoming, but only enough to buy one of them. It looks like the U-Boat upgrade is marginal, though. So how does the Wyoming compare to the Florida? Worth getting first? The Wyoming is a huge upgrade over the florida- better main guns, much better secondaries(you can actually fire more than three at a time with a broadside!), and more hp.
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Dec 5, 2015 15:41
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I think everyone who wants in is in. We had 75 applicants I had to decline so not sure if I missed you. Also we need someone else to do this once and awhile.
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Dec 5, 2015 15:43
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After seeing how spotting works for DJ last night in the fleet battles, I did a little research into getting more scout range. I only looked at t3 destroyers and t3-4 cruisers since whatever is spotting needs to have a bit of dodge factor to survive. It turns out the destroyers are all the same but the Furataka has a slightly longer base - 4280m. Sticking on the equipment that gives 400m scout range brings it up to 4620m - obviously not +400. Either the display in port is screwed up, there is a soft/hard cap in action or some form of diminishing returns. I slotted commanders that should give another 650m scout range and it went up to 4690 in port. Jumping into a quick game, a destroyer still got to about 3km before I spotted it (I went off away from the pack and planes). There are obviously a lot of factors involved but I think using a destroyer is a must for the extra stealth factor.
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Dec 5, 2015 20:00
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Third World Reggin posted:I think everyone who wants in is in. We had 75 applicants I had to decline so not sure if I missed you. I didn't get in Applied again as Iniquitous.
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We made a new first last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUB4v_bNivQ Watching it again: getting better at torps would be go a long way in the destroyer rush strategy (the fact that that wyoming survived so long with so many destroyers torping it was flat out embarrassing). Is there a way to host private rooms like in tanks? I might pop on later today and try to grab some people to do some experimentation.
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Training mode probably has passwords, I would assume. [edit] Yes, training rooms can be passworded.
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Dec 5, 2015 21:43
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This game is so goddamn much better than World of Warships. Fighting boat is fun again.
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Dec 5, 2015 21:45
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dpidz0r posted:We made a new first last night: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUB4v_bNivQ Y'all aren't leading enough. That, or you're launching torps at ships that are moving away from you. It's easy as hell to for them to dodge that. Anyways I beat the game, guess I'm done with it all. 
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Dec 5, 2015 21:47
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What I've found useful to do with torps is boxing the enemy in by shooting just 2 or 3 torps at first around them. Best case is they spot the "safe zone" and slow down to dogde into it and thats when you barf the rest of your load. Really anytime you can force your target to slow down is good. Some times just making someone slow down for a few seconds means that a friendly BB has a chance to blow them to smithereens. Had a funny thing happen when I was playing a sub, an enemy DD was almost on top of me, but I managed to dodge by slowing down and turning hard, he overshot. What followed was me going in a slow circle with the DD constantly overshooting his turns until a friendly BB took notice and sunk him with 1 salvo.
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Besides the Improved Rangefinder (+400 scout range) what equipment would people recommending slapping on a Destroyer
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It is really up to you at that point. I tend to use the faster torpedo reloader and increase frequency items. Turning faster never hurt no body.
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Do subs use sonar instead of radar to detect surface ships while submerged? Their radar seems pretty underwhelming, but I'm still being a nerd and trying to preserve my oxygen until something gets spotted/shoots at me.
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