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zoux posted:Speaking of, Guggenheim's trolling his followers. Whereas Ollie's secret son is poison to a show like this. It can't possibly add anything to the drama. His son is too young to figure into the action-y A-plots. It doesn't really relate to Oliver's core set of problems or characterisation. And so it's just a soap opera excuse for more arguments with Felicity and two new people to inevitably be kidnapped. As soon as they introduced this plot thread, it was always going to highlight the WORST aspects of the show.
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The problem with killing the baby mama is Oliver would have to take in William, and there's a 1000% percent chance adding a kid to the cast would make the show worse. And killing William would be Jessica Jones-level hosed. I don't think this is the show to be doing that kind of story.
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Dec 3, 2015 23:20
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Just kill Felicity. Problem solved!
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hcreight posted:The problem with killing the baby mama is Oliver would have to take in William, and there's a 1000% percent chance adding a kid to the cast would make the show worse. The show's basically a soap opera anyway. Just have the kid magically be 17 after the season break.
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Dec 3, 2015 23:25
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Let Barry kill people again or he kills relationships.
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Hypocrisy posted:Let Barry kill people again or he kills relationships. Joe already put a bullett into Barry's with Patty by retardedly kicking her out while E2 Wells lay dying without any explanation. Not like cops have to file paperwork when they discharge their firearms and account for their bulletts! Edit This isn't the Flash thread  Scyantific posted:Oh hey a trailer for next week Its Rinaldo fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Dec 4, 2015 |
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Oh hey a trailer for next week https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6y3BUKoiBs
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hcreight posted:The problem with killing the baby mama is Oliver would have to take in William, and there's a 1000% percent chance adding a kid to the cast would make the show worse. They send the kid to be taken care of by the housekeeper who was in season 1 and never mentioned again. Kid is also never mentioned again. Problem solved.
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I wonder, could they have captured Savage and let Thea and Sara just stab the gently caress out of him whenever they got the murder-shakes? Or does the person have to really die for it to give them their fix?
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Aphrodite posted:You're not allowed to profit from criminal ventures or something. Actually, if some company wants to make a set of action figures for the entire rogues gallery, and Captain Cold wants a cut, all he has to do is ask. Son of Sam laws like that have been found unconstitutional; it's only the direct spoils of the crime (e.g. the money from insurance or a will that you murdered for) that can be barred. Writing a book (or making action figures, by extrapolation) would not fall under such legal principle.  Knew that class would come in handy! fake edit: This is of course a rogue we're talking about. The plastic is probably stolen, on principle.
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Dexo posted:Legends of Tomorrow Trailer I am insanely down with this and Rory getting to be the not-Doctor and fly the not-TARDIS, he even has a lever-thing to pull to timetravel! Love me some Arthur Darvill 
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Be kind of neat if they could get Tennant or Smith to cameo as another Time Master. Bonus points if it's the former and they somehow work Barrowman into the same scene for a "He looks familiar... hmm... can't place him" gag.
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32MB OF ESRAM posted:yeah even just a little warp distortion effect like an exaggerated heat distortion would add a lot to it, but then you ramp up shot complexity. Like it looks great when she's singled out in a scene but using it in a crowd now means you have to roto some guys so the wave goes "in between" the crowd and not over top of everything and you just increased VFX time quite a bit for...not much flair. I don't think there's much you can do for that effect practically. The original handheld device was way better because it removed the whole 'Canary needs to open her mouth like she's screaming even though this is a sonic blaster thing' deal. I thought the episode was fine excepting the Felicity drama which really seems forced back in.
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Gaz-L posted:Be kind of neat if they could get Tennant or Smith to cameo as another Time Master. Bonus points if it's the former and they somehow work Barrowman into the same scene for a "He looks familiar... hmm... can't place him" gag. I wouldn't go for the familiar looking gag. Gotta be more meta, nerds like meta. "OHHHH HEY! You look like youre going through a goth phase. Good for you." To which Barrowman just squints his eyes and continues with a stern disapproving yet slightly confused look. e; And this means the majority of the legends of tomorrow cast must be in the Music Meister Christmas Special. Which I know we all want to happen. M_Gargantua fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Dec 4, 2015 |
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Man they're gonna fridge the gently caress out of Felicity aren't they.
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32MB OF ESRAM posted:yeah even just a little warp distortion effect like an exaggerated heat distortion would add a lot to it, but then you ramp up shot complexity. Like it looks great when she's singled out in a scene but using it in a crowd now means you have to roto some guys so the wave goes "in between" the crowd and not over top of everything and you just increased VFX time quite a bit for...not much flair. I don't think there's much you can do for that effect practically. Hell I'd settle from some AoS shampoo commercial slow-mo Amazing
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hcreight posted:The problem with killing the baby mama is Oliver would have to take in William, and there's a 1000% percent chance adding a kid to the cast would make the show worse. I don't think the chance of the show getting worse is all that high. Or even possible.
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Scyantific posted:Oh hey a trailer for next week  Crossover episodes were good and Savage destroying them all the first time was hilarious.
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hcreight posted:And killing William would be Jessica Jones-level hosed. I don't think this is the show to be doing that kind of story. I take it you haven't been introduced to Genghis Clarke.
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Jesus christ, Felicity dying would not be a fridge. As Felicity has had a purpose in the series story that wasn't just "going to die" It is possible to kill a female in fiction without it being a fridge for christ sakes.
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What is a fridge?
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Something that 97% of the so called "poor" own.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Refrigerators
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Dexo posted:Jesus christ, Felicity dying would not be a fridge. As Felicity has had a purpose in the series story that wasn't just "going to die" But if her death is only to advance the plot of Green Arrow against whoever killed her than it would be fridging. The first female Robin was a fleshed out character but her death is still considered a fridging because it was only done to motivate Batman.
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Burning_Monk posted:But if her death is only to advance the plot of Green Arrow against whoever killed her than it would be fridging. The first female Robin was a fleshed out character but her death is still considered a fridging because it was only done to motivate Batman. And because of how unnecessarily brutal it was. And then DC editorial IIRC essentially disavowed any acknowledgement of her being a Robin . Killing someone close to the hero has been around since the beginning of fiction. It's cliche sure, but it's not some huge sin to kill off a female character.
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Burning_Monk posted:But if her death is only to advance the plot of Green Arrow against whoever killed her than it would be fridging. The first female Robin was a fleshed out character but her death is still considered a fridging because it was only done to motivate Batman. Her existence is only to advance the plot of Green Arrow. A character involved in the plot being killed should not be considered fridging. Kyle Rayner's girlfriend was just a side character to flesh him out. She wasn't involved in his Green Lantern activities. Felicity is part of Team Arrow. She's obviously at less risk than the others but the team's enemies are her enemies too. Or a recent example, I wouldn't even call this week's SHIELD fridging. It was setup in advance, Ward had mentioned that he was going to do it a half dozen times. It wasn't only to motivate Coulson. Aphrodite fucked around with this message at 18:05 on Dec 4, 2015 |
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TyrantWD posted:I take it you haven't been introduced to Genghis Clarke. CW doesn't give a gently caress about killing kids. The 100 proves that. So does other poo poo, like Supernatural, Vampire Diaries, and the Originals.
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Xtanstic posted:Hell I'd settle from some AoS shampoo commercial slow-mo  welp that scene is ruined now haha
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Pillowpants posted:The Grave is the baby mama and Oliver's son becomes the Robin to Oliver's batman after a huge time jump between seasons. ...and then we'll have flashbacks to the time in between then and now where him and felicity are having zany child-rearing and League of Assassins™ babysitter hijinks. ...and then we'll have flashbacks in THOSE flashbacks back to his time on the island where he inexplicably met guest star of the week [x].
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Burning_Monk posted:But if her death is only to advance the plot of Green Arrow against whoever killed her than it would be fridging. The first female Robin was a fleshed out character but her death is still considered a fridging because it was only done to motivate Batman. Her death was also due to a close friend of Bruce letting her die to teach him a lesson.
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bobkatt013 posted:Her death was also due to a close friend of Bruce letting her die to teach him a lesson. I'm still mad they did that to Leslie Thompkins.
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Dexo posted:Killing someone close to the hero has been around since the beginning of fiction. It's cliche sure, but it's not some huge sin to kill off a female character.
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Bad Moon posted:I'm still mad they did that to Leslie Thompkins. Do not worry it ended up being a lie as it was to teach Bruce a lesson about lets say leaving a note.
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BrianWilly posted:The fact that it's a cliche, the fact that it happens so disproportionately moreso to female characters than male characters, the fact that even the fridging of male characters is often treated differently and more heroically than with female characters, makes these instances worth examining and criticizing. Take it to your tumblr then.
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The reason is easy. Most stories are about men. The reason for that is easy too.
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Judging from the trailer I don't think Felicity gets fridged. looks more like a walk-in supermarket freezer
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Bruceski posted:Judging from the trailer I don't think Felicity gets fridged. I doubt she will either. How will they milk the false drama of Ollie keeping a pointless secret from his girlfriend instead of a less pointless one from his ex/babymama?
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Dexo posted:And because of how unnecessarily brutal it was. And then DC editorial IIRC essentially disavowed any acknowledgement of her being a Robin . That denial was at least overturned eventually
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Thwomp posted:So Ollie's kid is definitely in the grave now, right? This'll be why Barry is there and will be the time travel penalty for making Central City not a crater. Yeah, kid's dead. Calling it now.
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Xtanstic posted:Amazing Ok whatever you guys are looking at I don't see it.
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