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Kitchner
Nov 9, 2012

IT CAN'T BE BARGAINED WITH.
IT CAN'T BE REASONED WITH.
IT DOESN'T FEEL PITY, OR REMORSE, OR FEAR.
AND IT ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT STOP, EVER, UNTIL YOU ADMIT YOU'RE WRONG ABOUT WARHAMMER
Clapping Larry
Bigger goon: Georgi or Barclay?

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Delsaber
Oct 1, 2013

This may or may not be correct.

Geordi and Barclay are redditors. Harry Kim is a goon.

Higgy
Jul 6, 2005



Grimey Drawer
Continuing on my trek through the stars, getting the end of season 2 of Enterprise and I have to say...it's not terrible, definitely ahead of Voyager.

Revised order:

DS9 > TNG > Enterprise > Voyager

Wondering if i should go back and watch TOS when this is all over..any thoughts?

Aleph Null
Jun 10, 2008

You look very stressed
Tortured By Flan

Higgy posted:

Continuing on my trek through the stars, getting the end of season 2 of Enterprise and I have to say...it's not terrible, definitely ahead of Voyager.

Revised order:

DS9 > TNG > Enterprise > Voyager

Wondering if i should go back and watch TOS when this is all over..any thoughts?

Yes. Every single episode.

The General
Mar 4, 2007


Plus the animated series.

Fucked-Up Little Dog
Aug 26, 2008

Posting live from the nightmare future of Web 3.0




Scratchmo

Delsaber posted:

Geordi and Barclay are redditors. Harry Kim is a goon.

No, the Pakleds are the goon analogue.

e: please cast me as a Pakled extra in the new TV series

Huge Lady Pleaser
Jun 17, 2005

hello how r u doing im just looking for ppl 2 chill wit relax go out n have funn if ur looking for da same thing hit me up
Nap Ghost

Higgy posted:

Continuing on my trek through the stars, getting the end of season 2 of Enterprise and I have to say...it's not terrible, definitely ahead of Voyager.

Revised order:

DS9 > TNG > Enterprise > Voyager

Wondering if i should go back and watch TOS when this is all over..any thoughts?

It has some stinkers just like all the other series but TOS is overall pretty good. Don't be expecting the same style of show however.

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
In TOS the female crewmembers wear miniskirts, not the men!

BottledBodhisvata
Jul 26, 2013

by Lowtax

Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

In TOS the female crewmembers wear miniskirts, not the men!

I miss those miniskirts.

What happened to them?

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

BottledBodhisvata posted:

I miss those miniskirts.

What happened to them?

A casualty of the post-Roddenberry era

Also TOS and TAS are better shows than the entire rest of Star Trek combined, both in the absolute number of good episodes and the ratio of good episodes to bad

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
any star trek that has an episode set in the wild west is a bad star trek.


sorry, i meant is a star trek

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Did DS9?

TOS and TNG and Ent did. Did Voyager?

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
If they didnt, TNG has a few to spare

Gutcruncher
Apr 16, 2005

Go home and be a family man!
Voyager had an American Civil War episode which isnt THAT far off I guess.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Gutcruncher posted:

Voyager had an American Civil War episode

What?

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.


Janeway got teleported into the Q Civil War, which was interpreted in a way that her puny human mind could understand

Ein cooler Typ
Nov 26, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
Lol at casuals saying McCoy isn't as much a main character as Spock and Jim

The relationship between those 3 is the heart of the show and what makes it so great. None of the other series have been able to replicate it and that's why they aren't as good


If you don't get that you don't get TOS and would be better off watching a technobabble show like TNG

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

Janeway found a renegade Q, Quinn, earlier in the show. He was a philosopher who wanted to commit suicide after Q being made temporarily mortal on TNG opened up many questions about immortality. On the run from the Continuum, he asked for asylum on Voyager. We got a lovely JAG episode where Quinn summoned Maury Ginsberg, the guy who found a disconnected cable at Woodstock, to tell the court that Quinn gave him a lift to Woodstock and I guess he banged Quinn's girlfriend? Anyway, Quinn was made mortal and he drank hemlock provided by Q and killed himself.

These actions caused the Time War Q Civil War between traditionalists and individualists, where horrible weapons in the Continuum were causing stars to go supernova. Q and Girl Q appear. Q zaps Janeway into the Continuum, where we see the American Civil War. Q is on the individualist side which is losing. His plan to end the Civil War is to gently caress Janeway. Janeway tells him to go gently caress himself Girl Q. He says that's a great idea and they go marching into the traditionalist camp to meet her. She tells him to go gently caress himself and Q and Janeway are sentenced to death. They are saved by Voyager's crew, who flew into a supernova at the suggestion of Girl Q, dressed up in Civil War uniforms.

Q and Girl Q gently caress (by touching glowing ET fingers) and Junior, later played by Keegan de Lancie, is created. The war ends.

ramenpower
May 6, 2007

Society must take every means at its disposal to defend itself against the emergence of a parallel power which defies the elected power
TOS was a fun show. Don't watch it if you drink a lot of cough syrup.

Uhura was loving gorgeous.

thoughts and prayers
Apr 22, 2013

Love heals all wounds. We hope you continually carry love in your heart. Today and always, may loving memories bring you peace, comfort, and strength. We sympathize with the family of (Name). We shall never forget you in our prayers and thoughts. I am at a loss for words during this sorrowful time.

Ein cooler Typ posted:

Lol at casuals saying McCoy isn't as much a main character as Spock and Jim

The relationship between those 3 is the heart of the show and what makes it so great. None of the other series have been able to replicate it and that's why they aren't as good


If you don't get that you don't get TOS and would be better off watching a technobabble show like TNG

Yeah, it had strong archetypes with vivid personalities and goals that caused good-natured conflict among friends.

B5/DS9 had them.

TNG had flat bloodless background noise that one incredible actor rose above by sheer charisma. Oh, and one autist for comedy relief.

fuck off Batman
Oct 14, 2013

Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah!


Wowbagger2004 posted:

No, the Pakleds are the goon analogue.

e: please cast me as a Pakled extra in the new TV series

No, these are goon analogues.

Filthy Hans
Jun 27, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 10 years!)

MikeJF posted:

Did DS9?

TOS and TNG and Ent did. Did Voyager?

DS9 did not, but it did have Bashir's Austin Powers fantasy (with O'Brien as Falcon, his nemesis), the Battle of Britain (tragically unshown), and Vic Fontaine's casino (these were fantastic episodes)

The Bible
May 8, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 48 hours!
TOS is pure garbage. The worst Voyager episode would have been TOS gold.

Pneub
Mar 12, 2007

I'M THE DEVIL, AND I WILL WASH OVER THE EARTH AND THE SEAS WILL RUN RED WITH THE BLOOD OF ALL THE SINNERS

I AM REBORN

Ein cooler Typ posted:

Lol at casuals saying McCoy isn't as much a main character as Spock and Jim

The relationship between those 3 is the heart of the show and what makes it so great. None of the other series have been able to replicate it and that's why they aren't as good


If you don't get that you don't get TOS and would be better off watching a technobabble show like TNG

Additionally, Deforest Kelly's probably the best actor that got permanently dumped into Star Trek typecasting hell for the rest of his life (although I doubt his bank account was crying to hard about it).

Coincidentally, Star Trek V spontaneously turns into Quality Star Trek at the one-hour seven-minutes mark and never turns back(I have that stupid movie saved on my computer for some reason so I could double-check the time):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws-6rqbQBpc

The Bible posted:

TOS is pure garbage. The worst Voyager episode would have been TOS gold.

Wow you're so edgy.

Pneub fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Dec 6, 2015

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer

The Bible posted:

TOS is pure garbage. The worst Voyager episode would have been TOS gold.

You're a bad person and probably don't deserve to live

skasion
Feb 13, 2012

Why don't you perform zazen, facing a wall?

Temper Trudeau posted:

TOS was a fun show. Don't watch it if you drink a lot of cough syrup.

Uhura was loving gorgeous.

It's true, she is smoking hot. Rand also. Wish they hadn't molested her off the show.

The Bible
May 8, 2010
Probation
Can't post for 48 hours!

Pneub posted:

Wow you're so edgy.

Mobster planet. A planet full of mobsters because an astronaut left a book behind.

Kirk reciting the Declaration of Independence, an exact copy down to the signatures, that just happened to be reproduced on an alien world full of Chinese people.

That time some race of women reprogrammed the Enterprise computer so it called Kirk "dear" and sulked a lot.

If any of that showed up outside of TOS, it would be regarded as the worst episode of Trek ever created.

Lizard Kirk loving Lizard Uhura would have been among the most highly regarded TOS episodes. I'm sorry, but TOS was loving awful.

Asiina
Apr 26, 2011

No going back
Grimey Drawer

The Bible posted:

Mobster planet. A planet full of mobsters because an astronaut left a book behind.

This is the exact plot to The Royale.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

The Bible posted:

Mobster planet. A planet full of mobsters because an astronaut left a book behind.

Kirk reciting the Declaration of Independence, an exact copy down to the signatures, that just happened to be reproduced on an alien world full of Chinese people.

That time some race of women reprogrammed the Enterprise computer so it called Kirk "dear" and sulked a lot.

If any of that showed up outside of TOS, it would be regarded as the worst episode of Trek ever created.

Lizard Kirk loving Lizard Uhura would have been among the most highly regarded TOS episodes. I'm sorry, but TOS was loving awful.

Can't tell if you're from GBS or Cine-D.

Aleph Null
Jun 10, 2008

You look very stressed
Tortured By Flan

The Bible posted:

Mobster planet. A planet full of mobsters because an astronaut left a book behind.

Kirk reciting the Declaration of Independence, an exact copy down to the signatures, that just happened to be reproduced on an alien world full of Chinese people.

That time some race of women reprogrammed the Enterprise computer so it called Kirk "dear" and sulked a lot.

If any of that showed up outside of TOS, it would be regarded as the worst episode of Trek ever created.

Lizard Kirk loving Lizard Uhura would have been among the most highly regarded TOS episodes. I'm sorry, but TOS was loving awful.

What caused Nazi planet?

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
you could do a similar list for TNG

Some space dust makes every body bone each other, Data, while unaffected, bangs yar

The crew encounters a race of tribal black men want to force one of the enterprise crew to marry them (Yar again?)

The Royale as you mentioned ;)

The struggles of having a cargo load of 19th century Irish in your space ship

Something something the holodeck malfunctioned/captured by aliens/whatever and Professor Data must solve a sherlock holmes mystery (like every season)

Its easy to cherry pick the worst poo poo wow

thoughts and prayers
Apr 22, 2013

Love heals all wounds. We hope you continually carry love in your heart. Today and always, may loving memories bring you peace, comfort, and strength. We sympathize with the family of (Name). We shall never forget you in our prayers and thoughts. I am at a loss for words during this sorrowful time.

I'm an old gently caress, and I'm sad I won't be around to see The Bible having his beloved, ground-breaking-for-it's-era entertainment savaged by his edgy, ignorant nephews and grandchildren

Bum the Sad
Aug 25, 2002
Hell Gem
Star Trek was made 50 years ago.

khwarezm
Oct 26, 2010

Deal with it.

Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

you could do a similar list for TNG

Some space dust makes every body bone each other, Data, while unaffected, bangs yar

The crew encounters a race of tribal black men want to force one of the enterprise crew to marry them (Yar again?)

The Royale as you mentioned ;)

The struggles of having a cargo load of 19th century Irish in your space ship

Something something the holodeck malfunctioned/captured by aliens/whatever and Professor Data must solve a sherlock holmes mystery (like every season)

Its easy to cherry pick the worst poo poo wow

The thing is, most of TNG really was crap.

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
It really was.

Man what about that Borg named Hugh

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k

khwarezm posted:

The thing is, most of TNG really was crap.

Yeah but the cast is cool for the most part and I think that helps.

Tezzor
Jul 29, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 3 years!
TOS really isn't very good. Bad acting, weird 60s gender politics, bad makeup, bad sets, silly plots, deus ex machinas. Its value is based on nostalgia and precedent, but the show is nearly unwatchable now

Tezzor
Jul 29, 2013
Probation
Can't post for 3 years!

Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

you could do a similar list for TNG

Some space dust makes every body bone each other, Data, while unaffected, bangs yar

The crew encounters a race of tribal black men want to force one of the enterprise crew to marry them (Yar again?)

The Royale as you mentioned ;)

The struggles of having a cargo load of 19th century Irish in your space ship

strangely every one of these was from when roddenberry was running the show

Tujague
May 8, 2007

by LadyAmbien
Yeah that's why fitting TOS into "DS9 < TNG < Enterprise < Voyager" is tricky, because you have to account for the fact that it was made in a time when your parents or possibly grandparents were children and TV audiences weren't skeptical or cynical and nobody cared that the props were cardboard and spraypaint and sci-fi could unabashedly be about ideas

Seems 100% obvious, right? But this is the goon trek thread so there's guaranteed to be some dumb piece of poo poo saying "LOL THESE RENAISSANCE ERA PAINTINGS ARE GARBAGE THEY DON'T EVEN LOOK LIKE PHOTOS OF ACTUAL BATTLES" and pow here he is

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Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

Unable to deal with it


Grimey Drawer

Asiina posted:

This is the exact plot to The Royale.

The Royale was awesome. I love how "we're stuck in a lovely pulp novel" is an episode



They say we're in a golden age of TV but I think it's the same as it ever was, a handful of shows worth paying attention to and a sea of garbage in between. The details have changed but I'd still rather see a crappy TNG story than another goddamn cop show where Tom Selleck's family of assholes learn to feel empathy or some poo poo

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