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twistedmentat posted:What about those really swole guys in that picture that keeps popping up? Evidence that ISIL is sending Super-Jihadists to America! I think it was Vice that had an article debunking the several out of context photos and videos used by some neo-nazi propaganda to paint the migrant crisis as a terrorist-led Islamic invasion of peaceful, enlightened Europe. A lot of images aren't even of Syrian people, and were taken before the civil war even began. The comments then said that it just means young Arab men are inherently violent and dangerous, because the dozen or so examples, spread out over the course of years, and taken from several different countries, prove that 100% of Arab and North-African Muslims can never integrate.
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Who can forget when Breitbart found a prayer rug on border of Mexico   quote:A member of the security team spoke with Breitbart News on Monday night saying they were on patrol right along the border came down into a wash and the area were working in just south of Sierra Vista in Coronado national forest Turns out it was an Adidas shirt Mr Ice Cream Glove fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Dec 6, 2015 |
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If I was an Arizona teen I would be leaving increasingly ridiculous items at the border culminating in a pamphlet "how to cross the mexican border for terrorists who hate America and think Carson Palmer is a fag"
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VitalSigns posted:Fortunately in the Giffords shooting, bystanders were able to restrain the Good Guy With A Gun before he shot the innocent man who had wrestled the gun away from Loughner. In that case the GGWaG made the right choice and didn't shoot by himself. I'm really glad he was reasonable instead of setting off a shoot out like it seems these nutters want.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:If I was an Arizona teen I would be leaving increasingly ridiculous items at the border culminating in a pamphlet "how to cross the mexican border for terrorists who hate America and think Carson Palmer is a fag"
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Dec 6, 2015 17:51
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Yes, but wasn't there a story recently where a customer in a convenience store shot and killed a man who was robbing the place, because he happened to be packing? See? The system works.
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Ghost of Reagan Past posted:The Arizona desert is so vast and empty that you could leave all kinds of ridiculous items out there that'll never, ever be found. I thought it would go without saying I would not be relying too heavily on AZ border patrols investigative abilities and leave them in obvious areas.
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Dec 6, 2015 18:01
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Ronald Reagan, in the same breath, admitted to lying to the American people while still holding that he personally felt that he told the truth. I agree with this post now. Two things. First, I have a vague recollection of a thing where Fox or somebody used video of middle easterners celebrating something legit out of context as them celebrating some misfortune in the US, and I may be mistaken but I thought this was in the wake of 911. No-one has responded to that yet. Anybody have any recollection of such a thing? I know it was 15 years ago. And another, which should tell you how old I am. I have a childhood recollection of Donald Trump on the threshold of bankruptcy, and his father going into his casino and putting a cool million down on the roulette wheel and saving the day for his boy. This was probably in the late 70s. I searched for it and found nothing at a glance. Any takers? And third, I think the only thing keeping Steven Crowder afloat at all is this thread. Which one of you is Crowder? He has to be an Adult Swim type performance, yes?
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Leofish posted:Yes, but wasn't there a story recently where a customer in a convenience store shot and killed a man who was robbing the place, because he happened to be packing? See? The system works. I cannot adequately express in words my feelings over people getting killed over something as chickenshit as a convenience store robbery.
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Dec 6, 2015 18:42
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Who can forget when Breitbart found a prayer rug on border of Mexico It's just stunning how Breitbart hasn't just immediately been discredited for the hacks they are. Every "big" story they've broke has been proven to be false or edited in a way to smear a political opponent. Yet each time they seem to be able to find a way to push their bullshit narrative into the national news cycle. In all seriousness is there anything that can be legitimately done to get this to stop?
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Klaus88 posted:I cannot adequately express in words my feelings over people getting killed over something as chickenshit as a convenience store robbery. Also if it's the case I'm thinking of (about a month back) the robber's gun was actually a paintball gun.
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Good Citizen posted:Also if it's the case I'm thinking of (about a month back) the robber's gun was actually a paintball gun.  Nobody should die over the contents of a loving convenience store.
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Leofish posted:Yes, but wasn't there a story recently where a customer in a convenience store shot and killed a man who was robbing the place, because he happened to be packing? See? The system works. Also the story of the lady who shot at a shoplifter as he drove off. Just firing round after round into a parking lot.
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Did they locate that Good Guy with a Gun that shot at a person carjacking someone, hit the carjacking victim in the head, then picked up the shells of his gun and ran away?
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I kind of have to give it to the RWM for once on this one. After 24 hours or so, this sure looked like a terrorist attack to me, even if it broke the mold in some ways. I understand wanting to wait and not jump to conclusions before all the facts are known so the whole "it was ISIS!" thing that right wingers were doing right away was obviously irresponsible. But having said that, it does turn out they were right. The only thing they're doing now that's pissing me off is claiming that the "mainstream media" intentionally avoided calling it Islamic terrorism due to political correctness, which is loving stupid. They were waiting until all the facts were known and being responsible. I DO have to admit that a part of me went "please don't be Muslim. Please don't be Muslim" when I heard about it and even several message boards I frequent (including this one) seemed to be rushing to label it a right wing motivated act. Is it beyond the realm of possibility that ISIS inspired attackers are changing up their game, so to speak, in ways that add to the confusion and complicate patterns and investigative techniques? I'd put my money on that. Like, in a "don't be so obvious and conspicuous"sort of way. Perhaps it was a combination of a pre-planned assault and a workplace conflict that simply hastened the attack and lit the fuse but this is what it is.
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Klaus88 posted:
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Zanzibar Ham posted:Did they locate that Good Guy with a Gun that shot at a person carjacking someone, hit the carjacking victim in the head, then picked up the shells of his gun and ran away? I don't believe so, but even if they do: it was in Texas so nothing will happen.
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I'm not so sure, picking up his shell casings and running away could be very troublesome in front of a jury.
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SnakePlissken posted:I agree with this post now. I do recall seeing snippets of Arabs celebrating, but it was never in the U.S. and supposedly in the Middle East. My foggy yet youthful memory remembers that it was probably in the West Bank or Gaza Strip. I arrived at college in NJ 3 days before that poo poo happened and I was transfixed on the TV for the next week. I would think I would have found out about a bunch of celebrations about the towers since I was in the fuckin' state. But of course, being half right means Trump is still all the way right and Muslims are the problem. \/  \/
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Klaus88 posted:
Seriously that poo poo pisses me off so much. I've worked at a gas station before. if you're robbed you let them take the money and you move on, all the "good guy" with a gun does is escalate a situation and makes it more likely for me or someone else to get shot. For what like 400 bucks? gently caress anyone who pulls that poo poo.
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Rick_Hunter posted:I do recall seeing snippets of Arabs celebrating, but it was never in the U.S. and supposedly in the Middle East. My foggy yet youthful memory remembers that it was probably in the West Bank or Gaza Strip. I arrived at college in NJ 3 days before that poo poo happened and I was transfixed on the TV for the next week. I would think I would have found out about a bunch of celebrations about the towers since I was in the fuckin' state. 9/11 was such a big event that even Iran was mourning. I don't know who was celebrating at the time except maybe Al Queda themselves, and IIRC even they were werry because the attack was too successful.
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The "dancing in the streets" stuff comes from the news coverage immediately following the Twin Tower attacks. When it was first reported that the hijackers were middle eastern, a news company had to go into their stock footage for B-Reel. Some such footage was of a protest/celebration of some major political event from back in 1996/1997 or so, long before the events of the day. This unfortunate stock footage was later interpreted to mean they were celebrating the attack on the Pentagon, irrespective of where the video actually came from. Trump supporters claim, semi-correctly, that they saw Muslims dancing in the streets. What, of course, they are not saying is that they saw it happen on TV. Not actually with their own eyes. Morroque fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Dec 6, 2015 |
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Morroque posted:The "dancing in the streets" stuff comes from the news coverage immediately following the Twin Tower attacks. When it was first reported that the hijackers were middle eastern, a news company had to go into their stock footage for B-Reel. Some such footage was of a protest/celebration of some major political event from back in 1996/1997 or so, long before the events of the day. This unfortunate stock footage was later interpreted to mean they were celebrating the attack on the Pentagon, irrespective of where the video actually came from. And not in New Jersey, where police had to defend Muslims from angry non-Muslims.
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Golden Bee posted:And not in New Jersey, where police had to defend Muslims from angry non-Muslims. Ms. Marvel was extra busy that week. Also, the existence of a Muslim superhero would plunge the country into marital law.
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BiggerBoat posted:I kind of have to give it to the RWM for once on this one. After 24 hours or so, this sure looked like a terrorist attack to me, even if it broke the mold in some ways. I understand wanting to wait and not jump to conclusions before all the facts are known so the whole "it was ISIS!" thing that right wingers were doing right away was obviously irresponsible. well yeah, ISIS even says in their various propaganda, "hurt the crusader in anyway you can, running over some with a car in the name of ISIS is the same as fighting for them in syria. they arnt like bin laden who wanted grandiose plots and micro managed everything. as long as you kill crusaders in numbers, your good in their books. Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Who can forget when Breitbart found a prayer rug on border of Mexico
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Dapper_Swindler posted:
That, or the clones have gotten lose again, in order to live past 30. I'll take 70s movies references for five hundred, Alex.
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Klaus88 posted:
Nobody should die over an object period. I don't care if someone robbed a million dollars from a bank. "All lives matter (Unless he's getting away with a flat screen tv)". This idea that it's better to kill someone than 'let' them get away with stealing something that's almost always insured anyway makes me nauseated. Even if I did carry a gun If some is pointing one at me an wants my wallet he gets my wallet. There's nothing in it that's worth risking my life over much less killing another person for $20 and some plastic cards. I've never worked anywhere that I had to handle money where the policy wasn't "If you're getting robbed give them the money", even giant evil corporations understand losing the $179 in the drawer is the desired outcome over a shootout in their store.
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Morroque posted:The "dancing in the streets" stuff comes from the news coverage immediately following the Twin Tower attacks. When it was first reported that the hijackers were middle eastern, a news company had to go into their stock footage for B-Reel. Some such footage was of a protest/celebration of some major political event from back in 1996/1997 or so, long before the events of the day. This unfortunate stock footage was later interpreted to mean they were celebrating the attack on the Pentagon, irrespective of where the video actually came from. Not really http://www.snopes.com/rumors/cnn.asp That said Trump's lie would be hilariously dumb if people didn't bellive it.
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Toasticle posted:Nobody should die over an object period. I don't care if someone robbed a million dollars from a bank. "All lives matter (Unless he's getting away with a flat screen tv)". We do not value life in America, we value property. Capitalism won here more completely than it did anywhere else and as a result a huge portion of our populace is 100% consumption and comfort driven. Killing someone over a couple bucks or because they made you uncomfortable is 100% okay here, and hey here's a huge selection of guns to buy at hot hot prices I used to work in a pharmacy and had this argument with people frequently. "No I don't wish I had a gun back here. A gun would not make me safer, it would make me more likely to be shot by someone who otherwise had no intention of killing anyone. Anybody robbing me would be doing so in such a manner that they would have their gun in my face before I could draw mine. What do you think would happen if I drew it? Why do you think some pain pills are worth more than a human life?" The same people who are "horrified" that people would shoot up and bomb civilians because of a holy book are quite okay with the thought of shooting someone in the face over <$200. Sorry, this particular disconnect is one that really bothers me because it's like a melting pot of everything that's wrong with how America when it comes to nativism and the value of life
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Who can forget when Breitbart found a prayer rug on border of Mexico I'm assuming " independent American security contractor " is just code for " pasty white racist with an ar15 who joined the MinuteMen".
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Youtube videogame "personalities" going full 14/88 is going to be a thing, isn't it? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzSiaWXVmqw https://www.youtube.com/user/humpmasterflex22/videos
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Cardboard Box A posted:Youtube videogame "personalities" going full 14/88 is going to be a thing, isn't it? I have never even heard of him before, and i follow a decent amount of youtube game nerds.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:I have never even heard of him before, and i follow a decent amount of youtube game nerds. Most of his videos have a couple hundred views, with a few having maybe 1300 or so. He's just another guy trying to ride the Pewdiepie train, not realizing the train left the station, and the station's been torn down, and the line has been decommissioned, and people are taking airplanes now. Also, he appears fond of the phrase "dickriding" and has a bunch of car stuff.
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BiggerBoat posted:But having said that, it does turn out they were right. Stopped clock. Morroque posted:The "dancing in the streets" stuff comes from the news coverage immediately following the Twin Tower attacks. When it was first reported that the hijackers were middle eastern, a news company had to go into their stock footage for B-Reel. Some such footage was of a protest/celebration of some major political event from back in 1996/1997 or so, long before the events of the day. This unfortunate stock footage was later interpreted to mean they were celebrating the attack on the Pentagon, irrespective of where the video actually came from. 
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Epic High Five posted:Sorry, this particular disconnect is one that really bothers me because it's like a melting pot of everything that's wrong with how America when it comes to nativism and the value of life I don't remember the details but there was a guy who got killed by the police in some Scandinavian country and the cop who shot him went to counseling afterwords. Because killing someone, even in a him or me situation SHOULD take a toll on your psyche. Some people in the US, and at least one in D&D felt this was proof this cop was some pussy human being. So yeah, this country loves to scream about the sanctity of life and it's a pretty blatant "I'm not a racist but...."
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Cardboard Box A posted:Youtube videogame "personalities" going full 14/88 is going to be a thing, isn't it? He should change his name to JewDieDie
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Who can forget when Breitbart found a prayer rug on border of Mexico This sounds like an episode of King of the Hill if it was still on. Tonight Dale discovers a shirt near a popular spot of illegals to cross the boarder, and is afraid terrorists are sneaking over! Klaus88 posted:Ms. Marvel was extra busy that week. If the Political Climate in Marvel was the same as it is here, Captain America would be wanted for throwing Rush off a bridge.
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Nckdictator posted:Not really Huh. Colour me surprised. Edit: Looking this over, it isn't surprising so many authorities tried their hardest to suppress it. Had it been reported on more widely, the public policy effects would've been disastrous. Especially because it refers to the already complicated mess that is I/P. Morroque fucked around with this message at 07:57 on Dec 7, 2015 |
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https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/673741357190615040 "THEM MUSLIMS HAVE NEVER PLAYED NO SPORTS. DON'T KNOW WHAT HES TALKING ABOUT!?" ... Except you know... The greatest and most well known boxer of all time. Two of the more dominant basketball players of all time. Nail Yakupov Number 1 overall pick in the NHL draft a few years back Heisman Winner Rashaan Salaam I mean it's also not like Muslims have a stake in something as  as drag racing or anything. Not like they've ever won anything there or fielded divers, no never!http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-nhra-sheik-20150204-story.html
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