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The Junkers G.38 was a pretty interesting plane - as close as Hugo Junkers got to a flying wing design. Junkers had always dreamed of making one. (Imagine if he and Jack Northrop ever met and started drinking together.) Also, the G.38 had passenger accommodations in the wings, and the nose.
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Truck Stop Daddy posted:I don't know a whole lot about planes, but I love this thread. I sometimes come across plane stuff at work, so here's some pics. Telephone camera quality sadly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke-Wulf_Fw_200_Condor Later used as a transport and maritime patrol bomber. e:f,b
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Saga posted:Focke-Wulf Condor. someone did a fascinating writeup on the Fw200 earlier this year. I think is was Powercube? My google-fu is weak so no link. e1 : I am moron! Links are right here and here in the OP. e2 : never forget 
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buttcrackmenace posted:someone did a fascinating writeup on the Fw200 earlier this year. I think is was Powercube? It's actually in the OP, and it's our good friend Neb! Part 1 Part 2
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buttcrackmenace posted:someone did a fascinating writeup on the Fw200 earlier this year. I think is was Powercube? God you spend so much time and care meticulously curating the OP and this is the thanks you get 
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Linedance posted:God you spend so much time and care meticulously curating the OP and this is the thanks you get yeah Neb's a pretty great poster
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Psion posted:yeah Neb's a pretty great poster   Today I was doing a little reading for the next airship post, and I came across one or two weird aircraft I've never heard of before. BEHOLD: The DH 91 Albatross. It is very Condor-like.  It was made in the late 1930s for trans-Atlantic mail service. It also uses the wood and glue construction that the DH Mosquito would use.  It was also p. good looking   Unfortunately the species didn't have a long run: only 7 were made, WW2 intervened, and no air frame survived the war. If you want a youtube of still images of the albatross and some old-timey music, here you go. Also one broke like a Fw 200!  I was just looking in books trying to get a sense of Trans-Atlantic flights, and when they became regular. While regularly scheduled trans-Pacific flights were being done by Pan Am in 1935, trans-Atlantic flights were held up by political dickery (Pan Am probably could have started in 1935, but the British, French and Spanish wanted to get their own national airlines flying trans-Atlantic routes first) and it was only in 1939 that scheduled Pan Am flights started. There was a experimental Imperial airways line to Canada, and a mail service, but that is it, save the Zeppelin airliners. ( Well, there was this composite airliner.) And even then, the Boeing 314s Pan Am flew were not faster than what a airship would have been. The flight to New York was From Southampton, some place in Ireland, Botwood, Newfoundland, Maine, and then New York City. It took two days; the R100 (spoiler alert) did it in three. From Charles Lindbergh's flight in 1927, there were many more flights to cross the Atlantic, but a surprising number of them ended up crashing in Labrador or just vanishing. I'm probably going to make this point again in my effortpost, but you can kinda see why people were all gung-ho about airships for oceanic flights in the '20s and '30s. While airplanes were still very chancy, airships could fly the route reliably. Nebakenezzer fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Dec 5, 2015 |
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Nebakenezzer posted:Today I was doing a little reading for the next airship post, and I came across one or two weird aircraft I've never heard of before. BEHOLD: God drat that is one sexy plane  And this is coming from someone who leans more towards the modern and not vintage designs.
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So here's a question, is this cartoon plane based on any real aircraft or is it just something made-up? The show is specifically set in 1938, if that helps.
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Enourmo posted:So here's a question, is this cartoon plane based on any real aircraft or is it just something made-up? I couldn’t find a match on Wikipedia’s list of WWII German aircraft or list of seaplanes. e: See also this list Platystemon fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Dec 5, 2015 |
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Dec 5, 2015 03:48
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Yeah I dug through those a while back, just wondering if there was something not on those lists.
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It looks kinda like it's modeled off a Catalina. Or the L-16 Sea Duck.
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If we’re doing lookalikes, the best I can do is the Short Sunderland: Too many engines, not boxy enough, but the broad strokes are there. The bow protrusion on that cartoon plane is distinctive and doesn’t match any of the period planes I looked at. I wonder where it came from.
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Platystemon posted:If we’re doing lookalikes, the best I can do is the Short Sunderland: Nose looks like a Coronado, but the tail is very Boeing.
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Enourmo posted:So here's a question, is this cartoon plane based on any real aircraft or is it just something made-up? I'm pretty sure it is just a hodge-podge of design cues. It has a boxy rectangular hull like a BnV 222 or a BnV 238 - and the squared off nose looks very BnV 238 to me. But the number of engines, tail, etc are completely different.
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It also pops a single autocannon out of the nose, which I don't think was a common feature. Thanks for the replies, guess it's just a made-up fantasy plane that fit plot needs.
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Enourmo posted:It also pops a single autocannon out of the nose, which I don't think was a common feature. Is that the one from Jojo's Bizarre Adventure? If so, yeah, I'm pretty sure it's just a made up mish-mash created to fill in the plot.
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How does the oiling system of inverted engines (e.g. the DB601 in the Bf109, but such things were fairly common) work? Like a regular engine but with the valve covers as the sumps, or magic?
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Bad Angus! Bad!
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Delivery McGee posted:How does the oiling system of inverted engines (e.g. the DB601 in the Bf109, but such things were fairly common) work? Like a regular engine but with the valve covers as the sumps, or magic? Very simply, in tune with my simple understanding of it, external sump with hoses top and bottom, gravity driven check valves change the hoses from air vent hoses to oil supply hoses as needed.
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Pretty much what Ola said. On the DB601, oil was stored in an external sump, pumped various parts of the engine, then collected via scavenging pumps built into the camshaft cases for return to the oil tank.
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Most large piston engines are dry sump, meaning that a scavenge pump evacuates the lowest point in the engine, and returns the oil to an oil supply tank, which the engine oil pump feeds from to provide engine oil pressure, instead of feeding directly from the sump. Additional scavenge pumps or scavenge pump stages (a separate feed and output pump, operating off the same input shaft,) can be added around the engine to prevent oil starvation in different orientations, I.E.: inverted flight. The DB600/601/605 in particular uses a pair of scavenge pumps, I would imagine one feeding from the area of each valve cover. All radial engines are dry sump, since the lowest point in the engine is a cylinder, and not an oil pan. Even with the oil stored in a check-valved tank, radials are vulnerable to hydraulic lock if your try to crank them over after a long period without operation, since oil will leak down into the bottom cylinder(s). Modern non-aerobatic boxer engines (O-360, O-540, O-320, etc,) are almost all wet sump engines, more like a car engine, with an oil pump pickup directly submerged in the oil sump at the bottom of the engine. 
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For shadetree builders/mechanics, there's the Wittman V8 conversion which is a direct drive, inverted Oldsmobile V8 conversion that plumbs the valve covers to the oil sump:
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Nebakenezzer posted:
My dad, the Moth Driver, says this was up and flying again two days later. There are certain advantages to building out of balsa and plywood.
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Spaced God posted:It's actually in the OP, and it's our good friend Neb! Part 1 Part 2 Thanks everyone! Going to enjoy reading this!
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What, what is this thing? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conroy_Virtus Why did this not happen?
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Flikken posted:What, what is this thing? If the Space Shuttle had been launched in the 1950s, something like that probably would have been built. I always thought it would be cool to have a fairly light "clip on" solution that extended the wings enough to generate lift, with two engines and fuel tanks, and then just fly the thing from the cockpit of the shuttle. Avionics and flight controls would have complicated the orbiter design, and the whole thing would require more computing power than we had in the 70s and 80s. I'm thinking something like the engine test aircraft where you can switch to different modes to emulate different flight capabilities. Still a kid can dream...
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Flikken posted:What, what is this thing? Aerospacelines/Conroy were also a tiny companies, kind of amazing they got as much done as they did, considering the general shoe-stringy-ness of their entire operation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aero_Spacelines
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Flikken posted:What, what is this thing? Scaled Composites is working on something like that, Stratolaunch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Composites_Stratolaunch
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ehnus posted:Scaled Composites is working on something like that, Stratolaunch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaled_Composites_Stratolaunch Oh, and Virgin Galactic is re-purposing a 747-400 to be used as a mothership for a space-rocket.
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Apparently the british found a falcon 9 in its natural habitat! http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-cornwall-34942185
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"All the geeks got together" and decided it was a different mission even though the loving Falcon 9 logo is right there.
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c'mon, people
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Godholio posted:"All the geeks got together" and decided it was a different mission even though the loving Falcon 9 logo is right there. They're not saying it isn't a Falcon 9 rocket, they're saying it's not the Falcon 9 rocket that blew up. E: Think "Atlas V" not "Apollo 13"
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E: wrong thread.
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Colonial Air Force posted:They're not saying it isn't a Falcon 9 rocket, they're saying it's not the Falcon 9 rocket that blew up. Touche'. Edit: 
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"F-16 pilot was ready to give her life on Sept. 11" https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...de50_story.html
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