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I'm reading it as at least part of Soma acting completely oblivious these last few chapters was just to piss Eizen off. At the very least, though Soma had nothing like a full-proof strategy of guaranteeing a fair fight part of his game plan was always trying to goad Eizen into accepting the match.
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Based on the way he acts around people outside of cooking, I'm pretty sure Soma is oblivious. I can't see the guy who never noticed that Aldini thinks of him as a rival or that Erina looks down on him suddenly realizing that Eizan's arrogance could be useful to him. Soma probably planned to express himself through his food, like he always does.
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Dec 4, 2015 21:55
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Yeah the last 2 chapters have set up that Eizan was doing a specific thing to make the ingredient's flavor come through, and Soma wasn't next chapter we get the twist that he did a different thing that works instead.
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Death Bot posted:Yeah the last 2 chapters have set up that Eizan was doing a specific thing to make the ingredient's flavor come through, and Soma wasn't next chapter we get the twist that he did a different thing that works instead. But that's just how he wins every shokugeki. The twist in this one was supposed to be winning a rigged shokugeki.
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Dec 5, 2015 02:31
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I literally laughed out loud when I got to THAT FACE so in my humble opinion this manga owns.
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Clarste posted:Based on the way he acts around people outside of cooking, I'm pretty sure Soma is oblivious. I can't see the guy who never noticed that Aldini thinks of him as a rival or that Erina looks down on him suddenly realizing that Eizan's arrogance could be useful to him. Soma probably planned to express himself through his food, like he always does. He's somewhat aware that Erina dislikes him, at least? I do remember him mentioning how he always feels tired after talking to her / she's a handful or something like that. I don't think he's so much oblivious as he's more like "Yeah whatever, blondie". Same goes for the goofier Aldini: He's aware that Takumi is a ginormous dorko, so he likes to tease him and such. I think part of the appeal Soma has is that, while he's still a textbook shounen protag and all that on the surface, this dude did work on a family-oriented restaurant, so he does have some degree of awareness of what makes the people tick.
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Dec 5, 2015 05:40
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Compendium posted:I wanna eat that chicken skin gyoza
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Angry Grimace posted:But that's just how he wins every shokugeki. The twist in this one was supposed to be winning a rigged shokugeki. I thought that was throwing Eizan off and with that the Judges.
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Dec 5, 2015 06:23
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Clarste posted:Based on the way he acts around people outside of cooking, I'm pretty sure Soma is oblivious. I can't see the guy who never noticed that Aldini thinks of him as a rival or that Erina looks down on him suddenly realizing that Eizan's arrogance could be useful to him. Soma probably planned to express himself through his food, like he always does. Oh, he's certainly oblivious in most respects but he's still kind of a dick and pretty much goads everyone he's ever faced and I like to think that that's intentional at least. But then again, I suppose Soma could have just been attacking Eizen's pride because that's what he usually does rather than out of any sort of secret plan to make it into a fair fight.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Oh, he's certainly oblivious in most respects but he's still kind of a dick and pretty much goads everyone he's ever faced and I like to think that that's intentional at least. But then again, I suppose Soma could have just been attacking Eizen's pride because that's what he usually does rather than out of any sort of secret plan to make it into a fair fight. I think he's just arrogant as gently caress because everyone who isn't Tadokoro or Hayama's fake mom at the school is arrogant as gently caress.
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SatansBestBuddy posted:I literally laughed out loud when I got to THAT FACE so in my humble opinion this manga owns. I feel the same way. This manga is epic.
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Death Bot posted:Yeah the last 2 chapters have set up that Eizan was doing a specific thing to make the ingredient's flavor come through, and Soma wasn't next chapter we get the twist that he did a different thing that works instead. The entire point of the "new system" is there is only 1 way to do things and anything else is garbage. Souma is the exception that allows him to make the same thing but using exotic and unique methods that shock the establishment by being as good as they are. Hilariously, it still re-affirms that the new plan for the school to brute force train the students in the standard/best methods is vastly better because 99% of them will wash out under the old system and even in the new tyranny the absolute top tier best of their class individuals can find a way to stand out which is no different then before, only now they don't end up expelling dozens of others during their rise to the top.
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pentyne posted:The entire point of the "new system" is there is only 1 way to do things and anything else is garbage. Souma is the exception that allows him to make the same thing but using exotic and unique methods that shock the establishment by being as good as they are. Well it's a matter of passing and being like everyone else or washing out and being unique. They haven't shown much of how the new system is so bad beyond a few panels, but it's shown that any student with a particular specialty is to conform to the new style or leave. Think art school where instead of allowing people to develop their own style while holding them to be technically correct in their methods, the system is basically a diploma mill where as long as you can make everything look like the prescribed drawings, you can pass.
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pentyne posted:The entire point of the "new system" is there is only 1 way to do things and anything else is garbage. Souma is the exception that allows him to make the same thing but using exotic and unique methods that shock the establishment by being as good as they are. no there will be no individuals because they'll be learning rote receipes instead of cooking theory and if you don't think the next group of elite 10 will be hand picked to fit the gourmet mold even better then your crazy. this is a system to produce boring cuisine and a poo poo ton of gourmet line cooks. it's ok to fail people not everyone needs to pass should all restaurants be subsidized too? cant let anyone fail.
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Keep the Gubbermint out of my cooking school, you commies!
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Old school had flaws. Unpolished gems like Megumi couldn't truly shine in the environment. New school also has flaws. It stifles creativity. Won't even let a dude smoke ingredients the way he wants. Hell, back during the Training Camp arc, Shinomiya would have expelled Megumi for using a different recipe, but her changes were actually a brilliant improvisation to deal with lovely ingredients. I feel like this is a showing of what the new school policy is like. You're pigeonholed into a single method, and any attempt at innovation or personal growth is just struck down. Hell, there are even conflicting beliefs and ideologies among the Elite 10 themselves. Tsubasa (Rank 1) brings the ingredients to life and doesn't put himself in his food at all to ensure the purest taste, while Kuga (Rank 8) overwhelms his dishes with spice and heat. Perhaps too much, since the other Chinese cuisine girl was unhappy that Kuga basically took over the Chinese cooking club and made it all about his type of cooking. This just reminds me that early Shinomiya was a loving jerk. Christ, the dude was a prick.
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And now he is the most popular prick with his own spinoff manga.
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Compendium posted:And now he is the most popular prick with his own spinoff manga. Probably helps that he got a slice of humble pie even though he handily won.
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I wonder what Shinomiya would think of the new Totsuki?
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Neo_Crimson posted:I wonder what Shinomiya would think of the new Totsuki? If it was in place during the Hell Camp (let's assume that'd still a thing) it'd be perfect to feed into his being a complete asshat.
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Neo_Crimson posted:I wonder what Shinomiya would think of the new Totsuki? He'd hate it because Soma and Megumi taught him that he needs to continuously evolve and improve himself to be the best chef he can be. And if he gets complacent and accepts that his cooking has reached its peak then he is a failure as a cook.
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I mean, let's be fair, Azami's vision makes more actual sense than BATTLE SCHOOL. You never see it, but every once in a while it's pointed out that they do in fact do regular high school poo poo like Japanese and Math.
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funnily enough we've only seen one person get expelled through battle and that's after the rules change
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Elfgames posted:funnily enough we've only seen one person get expelled through battle and that's after the rules change True irony*. *I do not know what irony is.
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You can only be expelled via Shokugeki if you agree to those stakes after all. Now obviously there's plenty of ways to goad or corner someone into that, but most people at the school seemed to be more focused on making their own cooking better instead of orchestrating massive dick moves against their peers.
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I feel sorry for skewer senpai. Dude had a club, loved doing what he did, tried to rail against an unjust system, and then failed cause he wasn't the MC.
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It was a good club, too. Won 2nd place for its area during the festival.
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paragon1 posted:You can only be expelled via Shokugeki if you agree to those stakes after all. Now obviously there's plenty of ways to goad or corner someone into that, but most people at the school seemed to be more focused on making their own cooking better instead of orchestrating massive dick moves against their peers. The real problem is that the school doesn't seem to provide any support for failing students (a problem that probably isn't going to change in the new regime) as well as the special insta fail summer camp.
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Elfgames posted:The real problem is that the school doesn't seem to provide any support for failing students (a problem that probably isn't going to change in the new regime) as well as the special insta fail summer camp. They've mentioned that simply enrolling in the High School Division is enough to raise your standing as a chef and ensures your employment at least as a line cook. The old system turned out 900 line cooks and 100 head chefs per class. Azami's system is going to graduate 990 line cooks and 10 head chefs.
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And that's line chefs with the exact same methods drilled into them too, btb. So you have that many chefs trying to get to X many jobs who will then poison the culture of any restaurant they work in with the New School's philosophy (and/or be rendered unemployable due to that mentality making them incompatible with the positions). ConanThe3rd fucked around with this message at 22:20 on Dec 7, 2015 |
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Elfgames posted:The real problem is that the school doesn't seem to provide any support for failing students (a problem that probably isn't going to change in the new regime) as well as the special insta fail summer camp. A lot of this is baggage from the initial concept where a ton of the stuff about the school were way more amped up as "INSANE COOKING BATTLE SCHOOL," and didn't really consider that they'd have to actually walk back what graduating from the school actually means, what they teach, etc. I understand why it happens, but stuff like "you fail out of high school for having the wrong shampoo" comes off way more idiotic than anything they'd do right now.
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It's worth noting that the pre-Azami school has never failed anyone for simply being worse at cooking than someone else. They've always attempted to enforce a minimum acceptable level that theoretically everyone could pass but in practice most people wouldn't. The one exception to this was Shinomiya's "spoiled vegetables" test, but that was both a secret test and not really approved of by his peers.
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Hell, there are even conflicting beliefs and ideologies among the Elite 10 themselves. Tsubasa (Rank 1) brings the ingredients to life and doesn't put himself in his food at all to ensure the purest taste, while Kuga (Rank 8) overwhelms his dishes with spice and heat. Perhaps too much, since the other Chinese cuisine girl was unhappy that Kuga basically took over the Chinese cooking club and made it all about his type of cooking. Slight correction: out of the eight regional cuisines in China, Kuga specializes in Szechuan cooking which is known for its "ma la" flavor. The busty Chinese chick was just pissed that the other seven styles weren't represented.
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Elfgames posted:The real problem is that the school doesn't seem to provide any support for failing students (a problem that probably isn't going to change in the new regime) as well as the special insta fail summer camp. the entire school is founded on food libertarianism and the primary antagonist is food communism correction: the primary antagonist is late-stage food libertarianism under the guise of food communism, in which those at the top have kicked the ladder out from underneath everybody else, to keep their own positions secure and generate a large work force of unthreatening cooks to staff their elite signature restaurants. one or two generations down the line the drift to food fascism will be completed Venuz Patrol fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Dec 8, 2015 |
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ShadowCatboy posted:Slight correction: out of the eight regional cuisines in China, Kuga specializes in Szechuan cooking which is known for its "ma la" flavor. The busty Chinese chick was just pissed that the other seven styles weren't represented. Ah, kay kay. My memory's pretty hazy. But that brings to mind another difference between Tsubasa and Kuga. Tsubasa handles all the cooking himself, whereas Kuga has this whole troop of muscular baldies who follow his recipes.
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Elfgames posted:The real problem is that the school doesn't seem to provide any support for failing students (a problem that probably isn't going to change in the new regime) as well as the special insta fail summer camp. Those were features of the old regime, not bugs. Especially the summer camp. If you fail you fail, and your failure makes the success of those who make it all the more valuable. That's the whole philosophy behind the model of the school that Erina's grandad espouses on Day 1. Azami is basically throwing out the core concept that the Tootsuki brand's strength is built on. It'd be like Wal-mart deciding they were only going to sell hand-crafted locally sourced luxury goods from now on.
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Like your fancy year 3 Tootsuki diploma isn't going to be very impressive if a thousand other people have it instead of ten.
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Ah, kay kay. My memory's pretty hazy. That was presumably for the festival. Kuga was trying to optimize quality and quantity while Tsubasa focused solely on quality.
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Clarste posted:It's worth noting that the pre-Azami school has never failed anyone for simply being worse at cooking than someone else. They've always attempted to enforce a minimum acceptable level that theoretically everyone could pass but in practice most people wouldn't. The one exception to this was Shinomiya's "spoiled vegetables" test, but that was both a secret test and not really approved of by his peers. Actually, it was approved. Gin just forced Shinomiya to accept the unofficial Shokugeki that he was challenged to because he thought Shinomiya could learn something valuable from it (and pull him out of the slump he'd been into for the last years).
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ZepiaEltnamOberon posted:Ah, kay kay. My memory's pretty hazy. Xelkelvos posted:That was presumably for the festival. Kuga was trying to optimize quality and quantity while Tsubasa focused solely on quality. Not exactly. When you run a fancy restaurant you need to churn out quality and quantity both, but you also need consistency. A restaurant whose flavor changes day to day is one that lacks reliability and potential diners will be unsure as to whether they should visit since they wouldn't know what they're getting. This is in fact what nearly destroyed Shinomiya's career when he first went off to France and his jealous underlings went rogue on him and kept changing the recettes behind his back, and why he was so hardcore adamant about failing Megumi when she altered the vegetable terrine. The fact that Kuga was training dozens of chefs to work in concert to produce the exact same product is actually pretty important for the restaurant booth he was running. I'm pretty confident he was focused on both making a high quality mapo tofu as well as trying to max out his diners. P.S. I'll probably make a mapo tofu for a dinner party sometime soon. Will post pics. ShadowCatboy fucked around with this message at 09:46 on Dec 8, 2015 |
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