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I mean, of course looking at TOS through the eyes of 2015 it is pretty bad stuff, but compared to others 1960s television, I mean what the gently caress. The play Uhura with a straight face which is really kind of unheard of at the time. The only other show that I think remains watchable is the Twilight Zone and probably the Outer Limits, from that era. Unless of course you love variety shows and Lucille Ball or whatever. Maybe its not so much that TOS was good as the 1960s were pretty terrible but IDK.
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It's like people that hate the Beatles really.
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Tezzor posted:TOS really isn't very good. Bad acting, weird 60s gender politics, bad makeup, bad sets, silly plots, deus ex machinas. Its value is based on nostalgia and precedent, but the show is nearly unwatchable now You forgot to mention the bad lighting. Harsh shadows everywhere, weird colored lights everywhere. There's a pink light on one wall, some green lights shining over here, some blue lights over there. It wouldn't be Star Trek TOS without colored lights against the walls in every drat scene. 
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:It's like people that hate the Beatles really. I hated the Beatles for a long time but I realized I just really hate John Lennon. Thanks for listening, Star Trek thread.
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Orange Sunshine posted:You forgot to mention the bad lighting. Harsh shadows everywhere, weird colored lights everywhere. There's a pink light on one wall, some green lights shining over here, some blue lights over there. It wouldn't be Star Trek TOS without colored lights against the walls in every drat scene. Totally out of my rear end, but I wonder if it had to do with the advent of color television and just going HOG WILD with the possibilities.
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Orange Sunshine posted:You forgot to mention the bad lighting. Harsh shadows everywhere, weird colored lights everywhere. There's a pink light on one wall, some green lights shining over here, some blue lights over there. It wouldn't be Star Trek TOS without colored lights against the walls in every drat scene. They finally have decent market penetration for color TV and they sure as gently caress aren't going to waste it with gray-on-black uniforms and white lighting. e;f,b
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The future is orange.  I wonder if orange will ever come back into fashion?
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:Totally out of my rear end, but I wonder if it had to do with the advent of color television and just going HOG WILD with the possibilities. 
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I like that TOS exists but I like more that I'll never have to watch it.
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tos is solidly middle of the pack. better that voy/ent, inferior to tng and ds9. this is now canon
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I like the episode of DS9 where they go back in time to TOS
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:Totally out of my rear end, but I wonder if it had to do with the advent of color television and just going HOG WILD with the possibilities. It was a broader cultural thing too. I was at an aviation museum and one thing that blew my mind was a mannequin history of stewardess uniforms. It started from the 1950s, when it was still heavily influenced by the military.  And then in the 1960s it jumped to THIS  It was jarring. And then there were several decades of the airlines gradually dialing it down to the modern business-look they have today.
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Aleph Null posted:What caused Nazi planet? A renegade federation historian who thought he could keep it from getting out of hand, but ended up getting drugged and trotted out as a figurehead by an actual militant fascist. Orange Sunshine posted:You forgot to mention the bad lighting. Harsh shadows everywhere, weird colored lights everywhere. There's a pink light on one wall, some green lights shining over here, some blue lights over there. It wouldn't be Star Trek TOS without colored lights against the walls in every drat scene. Color TV was relatively new at the time, that was a deliberate conceit to make it as colorful and theatrical as possible. If you watch the original pilot, everything is a lot more muted. You can pick up on their intent if you watched that chaos on the bridge documentary, when Shatner is talking to Diana Muldar, who was on both series. My Q-Face fucked around with this message at 21:58 on Dec 6, 2015 |
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Hillary Clintons Thong posted:It really was. Nechayev was right. I'm from Buenos Aires and I say kill 'em all.
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My Q-Face posted:A renegade federation historian who thought he could keep it from getting out of hand, but ended up getting drugged and trotted out as a figurehead by an actual militant fascist. He just wanted the trains to run on time, dammit.
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Omi-Polari posted:
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And how do I get there?
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"Captain's Log, Stardate 3113.2, subjective time: We were en route to Starbase 9 for resupply when a black star of high gravitational attraction began to drag us toward it. It required all warp power in reverse to pull us away from the star but like snapping a rubber band, the breakaway sent us plunging through space, out of control to stop here, wherever we are." thats how that episode has GREAT F-104 porn
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Besides just going hog wild with colors because OH poo poo COLORS, it was their way of telling everyone "hey this set is the same loving set for a trillionth time, but you see the walls have different colored lights therefore its a totally different room. trust us"
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It had a lot to do with RCA using Trek as advertising for its new colour TV sets, and NBC going gung ho on colour. Also, Roddenberry. They actually came up with some new ideas like using colour gels to light sets as opposed to painting.
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These are just all really ways of explaining why, by our modern standards TOS is a bit rubbish. I mean I would enjoy watching TOS more than Voyager but I'd enjoy most things more than watching Voyager.
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Well, yeah, almost anything entertainment related is going to look kinda stupid when viewed 50 years later.
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would have put Spock in true neutral myself
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The best way to get into TOS is IMO to watch the movies (at least the good ones, I'm personally the type to even like Star Trek V), and/or play through Judgment Rites. You can pick up the basic dynamic there and are then invested enough to be able to withstand the culture shock of getting into 50-year old scifi. It's some great scifi, but still, you need to ease yourself into it.
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Naxuz posted:play through Judgment Rites. I didn't care for it. McCoy was far too hostile towards Spock, far and away worse than any ribbing he gave him in either TOS, TAS or the movies. Definitely agree on the movies though.
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If you don't enjoy TOS then GTFO.
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I remember disliking one of the adventure games because of some bullshit math puzzle where the alien race used base 3 or something like that.
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Morn is a pretty good running joke character
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muscles like this? posted:I remember disliking one of the adventure games because of some bullshit math puzzle where the alien race used base 3 or something like that. That was 25th Anniversary where they found the ancient alien derelict and the aliens had three eyes and twelve fingers, I believe. Monkey Fracas posted:Your Morn is a pretty good running joke
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jesus christ i scrolled through the whole thread and all i got out of it was that i'm gonna drink kanar with damar
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got my Kanar, now I just need Damar!
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Looks to me like you're drinking the Blue with The Q-Face
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My Q-Face posted:Looks to me like you're drinking the Blue with The Q-Face do they even sell kanar bottles that I can fill with booze?
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no gently caress it im drinking kanar with damar
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My grandparents had giant decorative spiral glass bottles, I think the kind you put sticks in for whatever reason, so they do exist and can be purchased to fill with the booze of your choice.
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Asiina posted:My grandparents had giant decorative spiral glass bottles, I think the kind you put sticks in for whatever reason, so they do exist and can be purchased to fill with the booze of your choice. i'll have to procure one then, until such a time, i shall drink my gin + tonic as I see fit! but i promise to make the biggest post ever declaring my procurement of a Kanar bottle when I do.
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khwarezm posted:The thing is, most of TNG really was crap. Yeah. I have still watched all of it and TOS twice through, and likely will again in the future. It sucks, but so does basically any Trek not called DS9. I just love lovely TV, I guess.
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Tighclops posted:The Royale was awesome. I love how "we're stuck in a lovely pulp novel" is an episode The Royale was (slightly) better than A Piece of the Action because it was just a looping simulation made by aliens who had no idea how to house a human. A Piece of the Action was just a whole planet that was just copying a mobster book planetwide. I expected the "It was sci-fi made in the 60's" excuse, but so was The Twilight Zone and that wasn't pure poo poo. Hillary Clintons Thong posted:I mean, of course looking at TOS through the eyes of 2015 it is pretty bad stuff, but compared to others 1960s television, I mean what the gently caress. The play Uhura with a straight face which is really kind of unheard of at the time. Beaten. Anyway, I still watch it and I'm not passionate enough to take on GBS about Star Trek. The Bible fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Dec 7, 2015 |
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The Bible posted:The Royale was (slightly) better than A Piece of the Action because it was just a looping simulation made by aliens who had no idea how to house a human. You can understand where the confusion comes from because The Bible posted:Mobster planet. A planet full of mobsters because an astronaut left a book behind. it did show up outside of TOS and it's definitely not regarded as the worst episode of Trek ever created.
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