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PT6A posted:No, I'm saying that committing domestic violence is the mark of a defective person, not a result of circumstances. I don't know if it's something that can be fixed. What if being defective is a result of your circumstances. I mean what ELSE could it be a result of?
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PT6A posted:No, I don't think if my circumstances were different I'd start beating women. You? http://www.nhs.uk/news/2015/02February/Pages/Depression-linked-to-violent-crime.aspx Triggers and causes for depression are also largely linked to poverty and economic stress.
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Coylter posted:What if being defective is a result of your circumstances. I mean what ELSE could it be a result of? I don't know what causes it. I just know there's never an excuse to assault your partner or any other member of your family. Or anyone at all, really, but domestic violence is that much worse because it's committed against someone in their own home, by someone they presumably love and care for. You're a lovely person if you do it, and if you can't stop yourself from being an abusive prick, and you're unwilling to seek whatever treatment is necessary, yes, you should kill yourself.
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Dec 7, 2015 21:44
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If every domestic abuser killed himself then most of us wouldn't be born. Hope this helps~
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PT6A posted:I don't know what causes it. I just know there's never an excuse to assault your partner or any other member of your family. Or anyone at all, really, but domestic violence is that much worse because it's committed against someone in their own home, by someone they presumably love and care for. You're a lovely person if you do it, and if you can't stop yourself from being an abusive prick, and you're unwilling to seek whatever treatment is necessary, yes, you should kill yourself. But wouldn't you agree that whichever the cause is, it is part of a global circumstance? I mean you don't have to personally know it, but it seems far fetch to me that causes could not be linked to circumstances.
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Dec 7, 2015 22:08
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THC posted:If every domestic abuser killed himself then most of us wouldn't be born. Hope this helps~ Would this cause the average post quality to rise, fall or remain stable?
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Dec 7, 2015 22:59
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If I had to choose between a violent abuser killing them selves or continuing to abuse I'd rather they kill them selves. If I had to pick between them killing them selves and everyone getting the help and support they'd need and re-structuring our economy and society to eliminate poverty I'd rather full communism.
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I think I saw this movie. In another couple of pages PT6A will be filled with Xmas spirit and grudgingly accept that maybe we shouldn't just kill the mentally ill afterall. God Bless us, Everyone.
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Dec 7, 2015 23:03
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As if domestic abuse is a product of a multitude of factors including poverty upbringing and mental health. Do you nerds think we can somehow identify the root causes and work to eliminate them to reduce abuse or something? The only solution is cold steel against the temple or the gentle caress of the hangman's noose.
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Dec 7, 2015 23:12
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I would kill millions to stop domestic violence..
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Why are people acting like I suggested we kill these people? The fact that I'd prefer these assholes to, in order of preference: 1) Get the help they need and make amends for their lovely actions 2) Kill themselves instead of continuing to be abusive pieces of human garbage doesn't mean I think they should be killed, just that I would be quite okay with them either being dead by their own hand, or, hell, because their victim got sick of it and snapped.
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PT6A posted:Why are people acting like I suggested we kill these people? The fact that I'd prefer these assholes to, in order of preference: So you do want them dead, you just want them to do it themselves.
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PT6A posted:Why are people acting like I suggested we kill these people? The fact that I'd prefer these assholes to, in order of preference: The gist of it is that it is pointless to go into a blind rage against criminals/violent/dangerous individuals. I know it feels satisfying to be vindictive, but seriously have we not failed thoroughly enough with the current american style criminal system. Is it not time to be, as people, not simply hungry for vengeance but to instead look into the root causes and work actively to fix them instead of wasting energy on being angry. To not look at criminals as simple vermin, parasites or whatever prerogative comparison you want to find. Yea its lovely what they did but keeping the current modus operandi is basically "The beatings will continue until morale improves" but for the corrective system. Who am i kidding...may the beating continue. /rant
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Coylter posted:The gist of it is that it is pointless to go into a blind rage against criminals/violent/dangerous individuals. I know it feels satisfying to be vindictive, but seriously have we not failed thoroughly enough with the current american style criminal system. I don't think criminals are vermin or parasites. I'm not a big fan of them, but they need help, not just punishment. I view domestic abusers as something much worse than a simple criminal. If you get into a barfight, it's not good, but you're not inflicting violence against someone in their own home, and you're not committing violence against someone you profess to love and care for. That's far, far more disgusting than mere criminality or violence on its own.
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What is your stance on former Albertan oil workers murder-suicide? Good, bad or the truth is in middle?
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The Butcher posted:Garth Turner just had a word about this in a recent post: This is what I don't understand too. If the price keeps going down does that mean that the market thinks Canada is not going to follow?
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ocrumsprug posted:What is your stance on former Albertan oil workers murder-suicide? Good, bad or the truth is in middle? Generally positive. I believe that's where this discussion started: I said anyone who was making good money and now thinks to kill themselves or start abusing their family has no sympathy from me, and also that I'd rather they kill themselves rather than committing domestic violence.
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Depression is a mental illness too. And domestic violence following depression is a non sequitur.
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Mantle posted:Depression is a mental illness too. And domestic violence following depression is a non sequitur. Well, we keep hearing about how DV rates have spiked since the economic downtown started. I don't think it comes from depression, and I don't think a lot of the increased suicides come from depression either. Why would rates of depression be going up just, as a coincidence, during an economic downturn? No, it's probably a bunch of Conservative-voting oilpatch garbage who walked right by homeless people on the way to work and told the fellow who asked for a cigarette to go gently caress himself, who can't bear the thought of life without their financed goodies. I know people like that, and if they off themselves nothing of value is lost.
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TerminalSaint posted:Good news guys, Alberta will be fine without oil thanks to its diverse economy based on things like construction. Just wanted to pop in and say that DIRTT is Mogens Smed's third company in Calgary, after his previous one (manufacturing high-end office furniture) imploded in the early 2000s shortly after selling out to Haworth, who mismanaged the poo poo out of it and killed 600 Calgary jobs. DIRTT actually stands for "Doing It Right This Time." It hasn't exactly restored 600 Calgary jobs, but apparently they have 700 employees across multiple provinces and the US, which is better than Hootsuite. Also, they make actual things instead of an overvalued Twitter front-end that can be wiped out by arbitrary API decisions every day. quote:The key to building a successful business this time around, says Mr. Smed: “We don’t hire lawyers or MBAs.” They’d have shut DIRTT down before it even started, he contends. The reasoning: A) the manufacturing industry in North America is dead; B) building green costs more than conventional construction; and C) the labour cost in Calgary is too high to sustain a manufacturing business. And yet, he points out, “we’ve managed to build a business that has proven the opposite. We did it by reinventing the way that manufacturing is done in North America.” It's a really cool place and actually a lot closer to what Alberta should be promoting in terms of new businesses than what it is. If you get a chance to tour the warehouse/demo room you should do it because it's like mechanical engineering fetish porn. The rest of the article doesn't hold a lot of water or go deep into instances of other companies that are successful in Alberta, probably because the recent cuts to CBC Calgary (costing Calgary 20 well paying non-construction, non-oilsands jobs) made it so that the reporter could only justify hitting the Rolodex for DIRTT and calling it a day. Bonus points to to the economist who suggested adopting a provincial sales tax though. Adding more pointless regressive taxes would be an awesome way to both kill the Alberta NDP and gently caress Alberta's chances of ever enacting a fair income tax structure. Seat Safety Switch fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Dec 8, 2015 |
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What the gently caress is wrong with this thread and celebrating in people dying or having their lives ruined? Have some class.
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cowofwar posted:What the gently caress is wrong with this thread and celebrating in people dying or having their lives ruined? Have some class. Going from having a great job and more money than most people on earth will see in their lives to being unemployed for a while is not "having their life destroyed" and if you kill yourself over it, you're loving right I'm going to laugh about it. EDIT: Maybe it's because I've dealt with too many of these people, but if you bitch about your poverty after being out of your six-figure job for less than a year... no sympathy.
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cowofwar posted:What the gently caress is wrong with this thread and celebrating in people dying or having their lives ruined? Have some class. Personally, when people who've been making north of $80k for years decide to off themselves because they suddenly can't afford their drug habit and truck equity, I struggle to give a poo poo. I guess they shouldn't have been worthless idiots during their time on earth. 
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I mostly get super loving mad I can't live in a downtown Toronto condo without wiping out almost half my income and I refuse to live in Brampton on principle. Not sure I can take pleasure in people's suicides.
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lol, US oil benchmarks now are under $40 per barrel http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/08/business/energy-environment/opec-wont-cut-drilling-and-prices-plunge-5.html 
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Kraftwerk posted:I mostly get super loving mad I can't live in a downtown Toronto condo without wiping out almost half my income and I refuse to live in Brampton on principle. Not sure I can take pleasure in people's suicides. What if they're the people making those same condos so loving expensive in the first place, who are now bitching ceaselessly about how they have no money and the world is coming to an end, and then they kill themselves because they might have to live on the same amount of money you live on? I'm not happy that they're killing themselves, but I'm not overly concerned about it either. EDIT: Nor am I cheering their financial collapse. It's a very sad thing and it's affecting a lot of people in this city, most of whom don't deserve it. That part's very not cool, and I don't make light of it. People killing themselves because the alternative might be working a lovely job instead of a good job, though? Everyone in this thread who's ever bitched about the rich loving them over somehow should look down on that. PT6A fucked around with this message at 04:24 on Dec 8, 2015 |
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Ooooh Baby  quote:NOTICE OF A DATA MATCHING PROGRAM http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/ATO-Notice-of-Data-Matching-Program.pdf
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Wild Rose is doing a open table gathering with Brian Jean on the 9th. And as luck would have it, I have a table of 10 extra to fill. As part of this open-mic gathering I've been tasked to find a demographic of Alberta which the party has never had exposure to before (heh). So, I'm going to run a little D&D goon contest. The first 9 to PM me your: Question to ask Brian or an MLA of my choice for your table; Try to make it something more intelligent then "dick butt" and perhaps about energy, youth employment or carbon policy. A name for the door (that has a Govt ID attached to it) A phone number we can call to verify Will get on the screen list, a QV code and an invite to the event. Failure to get 9, and I'll donate the table to a charity. My invite has three conditions: 1. This is a semi-closed event, which means if you can't behave don't cry when you get ejected + slapped with a lawsuit. 2. Beyond following your mother's best dinner table rules, the entire evening will be 3 hours trying to sell your table that the current Wild Rose party needs to listen more to your demographic. The mods cant touch you at the Telus Convention center, so turn your D&D "A game" all the way to 12/10. People need to see and recognize the youth in Alberta are pissed off and more then capable of reasoning themselves into a political life. This is a social experiment straight out of the Bullmoose Party handbook, so try to not gently caress it up. 3. 18+ only, sorry. I'll check back tomorrow night for the stubs. Contest closes at 5pm MDT. And since we're all talking TI, I hope everyone is super keen for 30/bbl oil. The last time this happened in 1991-1996 over 70% of all the TSX energy index went bust and Canada had to rescue Canada Trust (TD). RBC was the largest oil driller in the country. Yes, the bank. As for the employment rate in Alberta, the NRU is 6% but the real number needs to add back in the migration flow plus the people exiting the labor force. For people bad at maths, the whisper rate is around 18%+. Alberta is a leading province, that was responsible for about 60% of all Canada's domestic manufacturing orders (ex-autos) so get comfy in Ontario & Quebec. A "Trudeau" recovery is just around the corner. Hal_2005 fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Dec 8, 2015 |
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PT6A posted:What if they're the people making those same condos so loving expensive in the first place, who are now bitching ceaselessly about how they have no money and the world is coming to an end, and then they kill themselves because they might have to live on the same amount of money you live on? I dunno. Going from a comfortable position in life to the depths of poverty through no fault of your own? That seems like a perfectly valid reason to be depressed and possibly contemplate suicide. I mean, it's a gigantic drop down the rungs of the social ladder, how are people supposed to react?
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Hal_2005 posted:Wild Rose is doing a open table gathering with Brian Jean on the 9th. And as luck would have it, I have a table of 10 extra to fill. As part of this open-mic gathering I've been tasked to find a demographic of Alberta which the party has never had exposure to before (heh). So, I'm going to run a little D&D goon contest. The first 9 to PM me your: Will Drake be there?
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Hal_2005 posted:And since we're all talking TI, I hope everyone is super keen for 30/bbl oil. As long as you're still super keen on being a worthless shillbot, I guess I'm good.
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QuantaStarFire posted:I dunno. Going from a comfortable position in life to the depths of poverty through no fault of your own? That seems like a perfectly valid reason to be depressed and possibly contemplate suicide. I mean, it's a gigantic drop down the rungs of the social ladder, how are people supposed to react? How is their sudden lack of cash on hand anyones fault but their own? Nobody forced these people to live the lifestyle they did.
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QuantaStarFire posted:I dunno. Going from a comfortable position in life to the depths of poverty through no fault of your own? That seems like a perfectly valid reason to be depressed and possibly contemplate suicide. I mean, it's a gigantic drop down the rungs of the social ladder, how are people supposed to react? You take a job that's perhaps not your favorite thing and get on with your life. A good friend of mine got laid off from a job he's held for 20 years and then got divorced soon after. My uncle declared bankruptcy after making some horrid real estate investments at the height of the bubble in Florida. I agree: it's no fun. I wouldn't wish those things on anyone. But to go from there to "my life is so meaningless without my job that I should kill myself" is an unreasonably large step. Also, as Rime noted, many of these people were making more than enough money to save a substantial amount. I would also point out that they were knowingly working in a highly unstable industry that has been incredibly prone to large downturns where bunches of people get laid off. We're not talking about teenagers with a limited capacity to reason about the distant future; we're talking about grown-rear end adults that should be able to see that a bump in the road, even a large one, is no reason to end it all.
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Rime posted:How is their sudden lack of cash on hand anyones fault but their own? Nobody forced these people to live the lifestyle they did. quote:We're not talking about teenagers with a limited capacity to reason about the distant future; we're talking about grown-rear end adults that should be able to see that a bump in the road, even a large one, is no reason to end it all. Beep boop, human psychology is always reasonable and rational. All suicide attempts are carried out after considering all the options in a reasonable manner while in a sound state of mind. Boop beep.
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etalian posted:lol, US oil benchmarks now are under $40 per barrel I came here to post the WTI price  Whatever, enjoy this Western Canada Select ($C/bbl) 32.69 Oil is something like 15% of total exports for Canada, Alberta is toast.
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jm20 posted:I came here to post the WTI price Even my most cynical Alberta must be destroyed attitude couldn't predict sub-40 dollar oil. Most articles say $35 per barrel is where a vast majority of fields become unprofitable, only the Saudis can make a lower profit at that pricepoint. The hals of the world will point out how oil doesn't make a large amount of canadian exports but overlook other factors. -Domino effect due to everything from office rents to manufacturing companies being driven by energy spending which is now getting big cuts -Layoff going from feast to famine type staffing, this will cause ripple effects for things such as real estate in which the boom allowed people afford the overpriced houses -Dutch Disease, the boom encouraged a big focus on getting oil dollars but now provinces such as Alberta will get hosed since they do not have a diverse economy/made too much investment in oil post 2008 In the US alone using outplacement data 93800 workers got laid off as a result of the bust. etalian fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Dec 8, 2015 |
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cowofwar posted:Thankfully my Canadian equity exposure is only 15%. And you likely live in Canada and get paid in CAD. Equity exposure isn't the entire picture, we're all screwed.
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