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This is amazing. I wish it was in soft cover http://warisboring.com/articles/i-still-cant-see-him/
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Blistex posted:This is where the fun theorizing starts to veer into serious discussion and it's Sorry, I thought the  button got hit as soon as the Final Countdown clips were posted.
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The discussion isn't entirely irrelevant. A shitload of very cheap UAVs armed with a couple 250lb bombs each could eat through the missiles of a patriot battery pretty fast. According to wikipedia a predator is $3mil and a patriot missile is in the same ballpark.
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A UAV with a 500lbs warhead is called a "cruise missile," and using them for DEAD is not a novel idea.MrYenko posted:20x138B (WWII German 20mm) was good (operationally useful) to ~7000ft vertically. 20x102 Vulcan is probably similar, or maybe a touch lower.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Sorry, I thought the http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3576649&mpage=1
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Dead Reckoning posted:A UAV with a 500lbs warhead is called a "cruise missile," and using them for DEAD is not a novel idea. There's loads of militaries out there legit strapping blocks of C4 to RC planes, and treating it as a sort of organic fire support.
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Dead Reckoning posted:P. sure 20mm can't reach up to the altitudes where heavy bombers fly. The trick is to just use CRAM as designed, and have it detonate the falling bombs as they come into range. 
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Blistex posted:Trying to stop one of the later war RAF bomber formations (like the ones that raided Hamburg) 700-735 bombers would be quite the task. If you wanted to get the most missiles in the air at once, you'd probably use Super-Hornets with an "Ace Combat Load" of 12 missiles. I knew one of the pilots that flew during the Hamburg raid. He said that after they started the firestorm, on subsequent raids one didn't have to navigate to Hamburg. Once you were a few thousand feet in the air in England, you could see it burning on the horizon. One simply flew towards the bright spot in the glow.
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Mortabis posted:The discussion isn't entirely irrelevant. A shitload of very cheap UAVs armed with a couple 250lb bombs each could eat through the missiles of a patriot battery pretty fast. According to wikipedia a predator is $3mil and a patriot missile is in the same ballpark. Quite a bit less than $3M if you remove the ball (which you would if you're treating them as a glorified cruise missile) As has been already pointed out, the price difference between a Pred w/a couple hundred pounds warhead and a cruise missile with the same payload is basically negligible. If you're looking at a $1M-ish cost to deliver a warhead you're into picking your cruise missile or other delivery device, overall cost is the same regardless. e: also mlmp08 posted:Activating all the national guard Avenger units would go a long way to loving up WW2 hordes of fighters. pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew iyaayas01 fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Dec 7, 2015 |
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iyaayas01 posted:Quite a bit less than $3M if you remove the ball (which you would if you're treating them as a glorified cruise missile) How much range/speed difference are we talking between say, a TLAM and our hypothetical Jihad Predator?
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Akion posted:How much range/speed difference are we talking between say, a TLAM and our hypothetical Jihad Predator? http://dronecenter.bard.edu/irans-drones/ The lifesaver-making GBS threads one has a funny video attached. Oh, and don't forget the RQ-170 BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 07:50 on Dec 7, 2015 |
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Akion posted:Jihad Predator? brb got some nose art to create
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Dandywalken posted:Was there any method of mass-aborting a bombing mission in WWII? Or even if there were theoretical 80% losses for some raid, would they just have to follow it through and navigate home as if they'd taken none? Was there some threshold for calling it off, or would that be too difficult to relay to every surviving bomber? Everybody's following someone. Get the mission commander to abort and everyone who's in formation and paying attention will follow; alternately, they're also listening on radios.
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B4Ctom1 posted:This is amazing. I wish it was in soft cover Looks good, thanks! I guess this will force me to use that Kindle, I wonder if its battery still does anything.
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Propagandalf posted:There's loads of militaries out there legit strapping blocks of C4 to RC planes, and treating it as a sort of organic fire support.
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The US is supposed to be working on a MALD variant that can autonomously search for and attack TELs and mobile radars with a big enough warhead to reasonably damage them.
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Dead Reckoning posted:7000 ft. is not very high. As AAA goes, 20mm is not very big. Nazi Germany probably had the largest entirely-gun-dependent integrated AA network in history, and although 20mm and 37mm AA guns were the most numerous, they played almost no role in defending against strategic bombers. That was accomplished almost exclusively by 88mm and 128mm flak emplacements. This is the same reason the USN scrambled to get 5" 38 DP mounts on loving everything afloat, because not only is a gun of that size capable of reaching just about any altitude you'd like to defend, but the projectiles are big enough to carry a proximity fuse along with the bursting charge, wildly increasing the lethality of the gun.
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Mortabis posted:The discussion isn't entirely irrelevant. A shitload of very cheap UAVs armed with a couple 250lb bombs each could eat through the missiles of a patriot battery pretty fast. According to wikipedia a predator is $3mil and a patriot missile is in the same ballpark. Shooting down hordes of cheapo low slow drones isn't really in the mission set of Patriot, that kind of threat is why the US just spent gobs of money to upgrade Stinger and develop IFPC. Also LPWS (C-RAM)'s absolute best case range versus a maneuvering target would be in the 1500-2000m range. It has...really, really short legs.
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The UK government has decided to keep a bunch of poo poo related to able archer '83 a secret for now.
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Buttcoin purse posted:Looks good, thanks! I guess this will force me to use that Kindle, I wonder if its battery still does anything. Don't forget they have a kindle app for everything else flat and bright you own. Mortabis posted:The discussion isn't entirely irrelevant. A shitload of very cheap UAVs armed with a couple 250lb bombs each could eat through the missiles of a patriot battery pretty fast. According to wikipedia a predator is $3mil and a patriot missile is in the same ballpark. Why do you think there is such a concerted effort to ban, control, restrict very cheap UAVs? There is such a proliferation that you will need one yourself just to protect yourself. The world Isaac Asimov envisioned doesn't include any loving 3 laws. Probably never will.
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That's been happening for a while. Dronechat shows up in the AI aeronautical thread every few weeks, whenever some dude unloads a shotgun straight into the air or someone hovers on the approach to a major airport.
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"You'll get this one Steve?" "Yeah yeah" *grabs pump action shotgun* *walks out of the air control tower and pops a drone and walks in again* "Coffee Bob?" *Coffee delivery drone buzzes outside the window* "Oh god damnit"
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Drone control can get added to the job description of the guys who go out and shoo away birds. I think some of them have shotguns to just shoot the birds.
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MrYenko posted:This is the same reason the USN scrambled to get 5" 38 DP mounts on loving everything afloat, because not only is a gun of that size capable of reaching just about any altitude you'd like to defend, but the projectiles are big enough to carry a proximity fuse along with the bursting charge, wildly increasing the lethality of the gun. Especially latewar, there was actually a huge push to get as many director driven 40mm mounts as possible as well because they were the most effective mounts, especially against kamikazes. There was a really big scramble to get them on as many of the pickets off Okinawa and to get escorting destroyers with more modern AA suites as well. The 5" was a very effective gun in its role, but a lot of the value of heavy AA pieces like that was that they could shoot at bombers that weren't already pushed over in a dive, and making preparing for an attack a deeply unpleasant and hurried occasion has a great effect on the ability of enemies to attack effectively. I remember a great tabulation of a US battleship's AA record and I thought it was the SoDak, but I cant find it for the life of me.
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stealie72 posted:Drone control can get added to the job description of the guys who go out and shoo away birds. I think some of them have shotguns to just shoot the birds. I'm pretty sure those are actually for firecrackers, not for potting pigeons on the wing.
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darthbob88 posted:I'm pretty sure those are actually for firecrackers, not for potting pigeons on the wing. Clearly I'm not the only one because the website feels the need to say "To be used by QUALIFIED PERSONNEL with proper hearing, hand, and eye protection. NEVER fire The ShellCracker at any individual."
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Blistex posted:Trying to stop one of the later war RAF bomber formations (like the ones that raided Hamburg) 700-735 bombers would be quite the task. If you wanted to get the most missiles in the air at once, you'd probably use Super-Hornets with an "Ace Combat Load" of 12 missiles. Missiles? Gunpods, baby, GUNPODS! Remember the F-4B?
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stealie72 posted:I had no idea those were a thing, and now I want boxes of them to gently caress around with. Blank guns are incredibly fun to gently caress around with as long as you're far enough away to not bother anyone, especially since they're generally really easy to get.
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chitoryu12 posted:Blank guns are incredibly fun to gently caress around with as long as you're far enough away to not bother anyone, especially since they're generally really easy to get.
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In celebration of the "leak" that confirmed that there will be an AJS 37 Viggen module for DCS, you should read Central calculator for aircraft Saab 37 Viggen, a fascinating tale of ancient computers.
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xthetenth posted:I remember a great tabulation of a US battleship's AA record and I thought it was the SoDak, but I cant find it for the life of me. It's actually a tabulation of US AA effectiveness by gun type for Okinawa. Tables III and IV in this: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/rep/Kamikaze/AAA-Summary-1045/#VI That and the contents of table II in Chapter II of that document are about as good as I've seen for discussion of AA effectiveness by type unless someone digs up action reports from ships that fought. I have a book about pickets off Okinawa that might have some fun data to cover.
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TheFluff posted:In celebration of the "leak" that confirmed that there will be an AJS 37 Viggen module for DCS I don't currently play it, but that might very well make me put the effort in to learn the thing.  From this fellas Flickr: https://www.flickr.com/photos/vstpic/ Tindahbawx fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Dec 7, 2015 |
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Any day is a good day for rocket volleys. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs36PwdOJ-I
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Tindahbawx posted:I don't currently play it, but that might very well make me put the effort in to learn the thing. That is a loving rad pic
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PhotoKirk posted:Missiles? They tried to warn us, but we just wouldn't listen. 
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Boomerjinks posted:Any day is a good day for rocket volleys. No explosions. One big cocktease of a video.
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PhotoKirk posted:Missiles? Boy, have I got good news for you! 
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PhotoKirk posted:Missiles? Someone say gunpods?  
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Mortabis posted:The discussion isn't entirely irrelevant. A shitload of very cheap UAVs armed with a couple 250lb bombs each could eat through the missiles of a patriot battery pretty fast. According to wikipedia a predator is $3mil and a patriot missile is in the same ballpark. Shoot the archer, not the arrow. If the enemy has established air dominance and can fly their drone mothership to Max_range(PATRIOT)-1 miles and launch standoff drone swarms at will, then you have much bigger problems than running out of SAMs. Also any competent IADS system will utilize mobile launchers, decoys, and other tricks to not make themselves a sitting duck.
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