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Warthog
Mar 8, 2004
Ferkelwämser extraordinaire

Don't worry: it has four wheels - it's a car.

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Rudager
Apr 29, 2008

chitoryu12 posted:

It's technically not unsafe because that bar stops the mechanism, but you're still relying on the mechanism to work and you not to lose your grip or balance to keep you from turning into ground long pork. Just get a stick.

When the only thing stopping me getting pulled into the machine tearing my leg apart is that bar, I'm going to struggle to convince myself to let go of it in the heat of the moment.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Angela Christine posted:

That's all in gas form, not liquid form, right? So there wouldn't even be much in there compared to normal gas canisters.

I'd be afraid of any kind of damage easily puncturing that and releasing all the gas.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos
The rarely seen quick release pump foundation.

Angela Christine posted:

That's all in gas form, not liquid form, right? So there wouldn't even be much in there compared to normal gas canisters.
Personal use cylinders for like propane are built like a truck which is why you get a pass in most jurisdictions for transporting for personal use. A plastic bag on a rusty, likely sparky trailer is not really comparable.

VendaGoat
Nov 1, 2005

Rudager posted:

When the only thing stopping me getting pulled into the machine tearing my leg apart is that bar, I'm going to struggle to convince myself to let go of it in the heat of the moment.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/local/article48403415.html
Yah about that....

Forer
Jan 18, 2010

"How do I get rid of these nasty roaches?!"

Easy, just burn your house down.
The question with the natural gas thing to me is this. Isn't the danger of explosions the rapid expansion as the gasses rip apart into stuff that takes up more volume incredibly suddenly? A gas canister exploding is super bad because there's so much gas in such a tiny area that all goes at once, or nearly, so it gives a big boom. How much does natural gas 'decompress' 'cause that looks like it would pop like a hydrogen balloon, not very dangerously.

Ambrose Burnside
Aug 30, 2007

pensive
I'm working at a metal supply place rn and am the only person to wear safety goggles while operating the giganto industrial bandsaws, and also, the only person not to go reaching into the goddamn hydraulic press that holds stock while the saws are turned on. What's the lockout procedure? I have no idea, and neither do any coworkers I've asked.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Ambrose Burnside posted:

What's the lockout procedure? I have no idea, and neither do any coworkers I've asked.

Look for either a big plug or a giant red button.

Ambrose Burnside
Aug 30, 2007

pensive
that's not what locking out is, especially for equipment with non-electrical energy storage :ssh:

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Ambrose Burnside posted:

that's not what locking out is, especially for equipment with non-electrical energy storage :ssh:

Well, he didn't know the actual lock-out procedures. So I gave him a suggestion that would give him the procedures right quick.

When he gets asked why the hell he turned the machine off to mess with it.

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Forer posted:

The question with the natural gas thing to me is this. Isn't the danger of explosions the rapid expansion as the gasses rip apart into stuff that takes up more volume incredibly suddenly?

When you mix natural gas and atmospheric oxygen and ignite it, you get rapid expansion as a bunch of superheated CO2 and water vapor take up a lot more volume incredibly suddenly.

That's nowhere near as much natural gas as would exist in a pressurized cylinder, no, but that's at *least* 15 cubic meters of natural gas, that's easily enough to kill people if you let it get to a stochiometric ratio before it ignited.

Fender Anarchist
May 20, 2009

Fender Anarchist

It's not so much that the reaction products take up more space (you go from an O2/gas mix to a CO2/water vapor mix of equal mass, there's not much difference there) as the fact that the heat produced causes additional expansion. With slow heating this isn't an issue, but if your fuel and air are mixed correctly it all gets set off at once, and creates enough of a momentary overpressure wave to damage poo poo in a big way.

The danger of, say, kitchen gas explosions isn't so much that your house will blow apart as if a bomb had been set off inside it, it's more:
  • The suffocation hazard
  • The wave of fire rushing through your house at supersonic speed

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Angela Christine posted:

That's all in gas form, not liquid form, right? So there wouldn't even be much in there compared to normal gas canisters.

Yes. The West did it as well, during the World Wars.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Platystemon posted:

Yes. The West did it as well, during the World Wars.



I'm waiting for a comedic old timey chase scene where someone mistakes that for a truck full of mattresses and tries to jump out a window onto it.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

We might be fucked, sir.
Fallen Rib

Ambrose Burnside posted:

I'm working at a metal supply place rn and am the only person to wear safety goggles while operating the giganto industrial bandsaws, and also, the only person not to go reaching into the goddamn hydraulic press that holds stock while the saws are turned on. What's the lockout procedure? I have no idea, and neither do any coworkers I've asked.

Sever. Before you get severed.

Seriously, quit. No job is worth losing a limb or your life, or watching somebody else - even a jackass you can't stand to talk to - lose theirs.

Sentient Data
Aug 31, 2011

My molecule scrambler ray will disintegrate your armor with one blow!
Man, the Germans designed much better dirigibles than the US. That thing could never get off the ground


Sort-of-content: Are there any seriously out of date training videos/booklets that teach workers safety methods that would be obscenely incorrect by today's standards? I know that safety really boils down to "don't be in a position that could get you maimed or killed if everything goes wrong", but who knows how the specifics are handled. I remember seeing this one a while back, and while it's over 30 years old the basics still seem perfectly sound
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v26fTGBEi9E

surebet
Jan 10, 2013

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Baronjutter posted:

Anyone with the slightest understanding of insurance or risk management is a boring and bad person. YOLO.

I don't know about boring but bad for sure, yeah.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

ERM... Actually I have stellar scores on the surveys, and every year students tell me that my classes are the best ones they’ve ever taken.

Sentient Data posted:

Sort-of-content: Are there any seriously out of date training videos/booklets that teach workers safety methods that would be obscenely incorrect by today's standards? I know that safety really boils down to "don't be in a position that could get you maimed or killed if everything goes wrong", but who knows how the specifics are handled.

Sagebrush posted:

i wish i could find a copy of the shop video i had to watch when i started college

two guys working in their "shop", a carpeted corner of an office with all the furniture moved out and a band saw and table saw moved in. break time is called and they both go to lunch. the guy working on the bandsaw orders a proper big lunch: steak, mashed potatoes, gravy, broccoli, slice of pie, milkshake. the guy on the table saw just orders a donut and two beers. everyone groan -- we see where this is going.

guys go back to work.

soon, the guy on the band saw becomes sleepy from his big meal, falls asleep on the job and cuts off his finger. table saw guy runs for help.

fin

Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

This seems relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfvceHUBWnU

:v:: "Hey, people want us to film a molotov with our slow-motion camera. How should we go about that?"
:downs: "I dunno, let's throw it at my house's wall I guess."

CJacobs
Apr 17, 2011

Reach for the moon!
Slow Mo Guys is basically "safety? what's that?", which is great.

Here's one where Dan almost loses fingat by failing to drop a firecracker from his hand and into a glass jar of paint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLemSAMaKfY

Here's another where he fumbles a pan of burning oil all over himself because a bee scared him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_lFUGkur_8

Hackers film 1995
Nov 4, 2009

Hack the planet!

Ahem. I knew a redneck who used to fill garbage bags with propane and ignite them....with a lighter. He never died, but I'm sure he has permanent hearing loss.

Captain Cool
Oct 23, 2004

This is a song about messin' with people who've been messin' with you

Angela Christine posted:

That's all in gas form, not liquid form, right? So there wouldn't even be much in there compared to normal gas canisters.
I looked up some numbers. Six cubic meters is about 200 cubic feet. If that were propane, it would compress to about 0.75 cubic feet of liquid, or a little over half of a 40 lb tank.

Perestroika posted:

This seems relevant: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfvceHUBWnU

:v:: "Hey, people want us to film a molotov with our slow-motion camera. How should we go about that?"
:downs: "I dunno, let's throw it at my house's wall I guess."
"Now, there's going to be an oil fire on the ground afterward, so let's make sure the garden hose is nearby."

GnarlyCharlie4u
Sep 23, 2007

I have an unhealthy obsession with motorcycles.

Proof

Wiggles Von Huggins posted:

Ahem. I knew a redneck who used to fill garbage bags with propane and ignite them....with a lighter. He never died, but I'm sure he has permanent hearing loss.

My friends who worked at the hockey rink did this with refrigerant.

zedprime
Jun 9, 2007

yospos

GnarlyCharlie4u posted:

My friends who worked at the hockey rink did this with refrigerant.
The story at the refrigerant plant was that the old hands used to do it all the time with refrigerant, until the oil refinery next door exploded (unrelated) and then it started getting looked down upon to be making big bangs.

So instead in the 90s they started strapping the off spec cylinders that needed vented to tricycles and having drag races.

BlankIsBeautiful
Apr 4, 2008

Feeling a little inadequate?

Wiggles Von Huggins posted:

Ahem. I knew a redneck who used to fill garbage bags with propane and ignite them....with a lighter. He never died, but I'm sure he has permanent hearing loss.

I was next door to a party where someone ignited a plastic garbage bag full of acetylene. Blew out all the windows in the garage, gave him second degree burns, and embedded the car keys in his pants pocket into his thigh.

VendaGoat
Nov 1, 2005

BlankIsBeautiful posted:

I was next door to a party where someone ignited a plastic garbage bag full of acetylene. Blew out all the windows in the garage, gave him second degree burns, and embedded the car keys in his pants pocket into his thigh.

Did everyone stand up and clap?

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!

zedprime posted:

The story at the refrigerant plant was that the old hands used to do it all the time with refrigerant, until the oil refinery next door exploded (unrelated) and then it started getting looked down upon to be making big bangs.

So instead in the 90s they started strapping the off spec cylinders that needed vented to tricycles and having drag races.

I wanna work there

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice

BlankIsBeautiful posted:

I was next door to a party where someone ignited a plastic garbage bag full of acetylene. Blew out all the windows in the garage, gave him second degree burns, and embedded the car keys in his pants pocket into his thigh.
This was my dad's gimmick when I was a kid, until the cops showed up and told him that they had no idea what he was doing but that if he did it again they would find a way to charge him with felonies. He did it in the middle of a wet field with a detonator made out of a long extension cord with the wires shorted together at the end. Plug in, go boom!

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Mozi posted:

Keep in mind the article says it was this person's first day on the job so he may or may not have been instructed as to the finer points of jamming a piece of wood into a chipper with one's foot.

Considering it was his first day and he was filling in for someone else what's the chances the company that hired him is going to get sued in to oblivion? They had to have broken some kind of law

e: Lmao, family said they're not mad at the company. The dude being an idiot played a part but putting some new guy who's filling in for someone in front of a woodchipper seems like a pretty retarded thing to do

Robo Reagan fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Dec 9, 2015

GnarlyCharlie4u
Sep 23, 2007

I have an unhealthy obsession with motorcycles.

Proof

Alereon posted:

This was my dad's gimmick when I was a kid, until the cops showed up and told him that they had no idea what he was doing but that if he did it again they would find a way to charge him with felonies. He did it in the middle of a wet field with a detonator made out of a long extension cord with the wires shorted together at the end. Plug in, go boom!

Jesus christ what the gently caress is wrong with people?



Does no-one have a spare coil, 12v battery and a couple wires lying around? It's so much more portable!

Fitzy Fitz
May 14, 2005




So when you get sucked into a wood chipper, does it usually pull you the whole way through or does it just get your leg and then you bleed out?

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
You get chunked

This is what a wood chipper does to solid logs which are a lot tougher than bones

Robo Reagan fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Dec 9, 2015

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!

Fitzy Fitz posted:

So when you get sucked into a wood chipper, does it usually pull you the whole way through or does it just get your leg and then you bleed out?

someone hasn't seen fargo

SlipUp
Sep 30, 2006


stayin c o o l

Hot Karl Marx posted:

someone hasn't seen fargo

Pfft, Patrick Stewart was tossing people into wood chippers in Gun Men way before Fargo.

Alereon
Feb 6, 2004

Dehumanize yourself and face to Trumpshed
College Slice

Fitzy Fitz posted:

So when you get sucked into a wood chipper, does it usually pull you the whole way through or does it just get your leg and then you bleed out?
The technical term is "morselized", and yeah in the accident reports I've read it pulled the person all the way through.

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
I mean, if you're that curious google image search is a few clicks away

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost

Alereon posted:

The technical term is "morselized", and yeah in the accident reports I've read it pulled the person all the way through.

I'm going to guess it won't be an open casket funeral?

"Ashes to ashes, morsel to morsel..."

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

Mozi posted:

I'm going to guess it won't be an open casket funeral?

Glass jar funeral.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Mozi posted:

I'm going to guess it won't be an open casket funeral?

"Ashes to ashes, morsel to morsel..."

If sufficiently dried, you could have an open casket that looks like it's full of pemmican.

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Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy
At least if the family wants to save on funeral costs they can opt for an ash container full of goop

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