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jassi007 posted:It is the only time in Star Wars that we've seen a space ship fly like a space ship. Although flying backward would ruin X-Wing as a game heh. I feel like J michael straczynski looked at Star Wars' space flight scenes and was shouting "no, no! They can do so much more!" at the screen
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BattleMaster posted:Yeah; the bit of trivia I keep seeing bandied about is that the A New Hope Death Star trench run is shot-for-shot from a World War 2 dambuster film. I can't confirm that myself though. Someone's already done it for you! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNdb03Hw18M
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Dec 8, 2015 19:06
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Panzeh posted:Well, star wars space fighter scenes are meant to evoke ww2 rather than science fiction. There's a reason the core mechanics of X-Wing are adapted from a WW1 air combat game.
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Dec 8, 2015 19:10
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Wedge Antilles(40) -R2-D2 -Outmaneuver -Engine Upgrade Han Solo (59) -Push the Limit -Jan Ors -Recon Specialist -Millennium Falcon -Engine Upgrade Would maybe Lone Wolf be better on Wedge, or another EPT? Also am I right in thinking that if Han does a Focus and Evade Action, he'll end up with 1 evade from Jan, 1 evade from the action and his focus? She says "a friendly ship" not "another friendly ship". The Engine Upgrade is for when he's out of arc or range and doesn't need to evade.
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Dec 8, 2015 19:37
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Panzeh posted:Well, star wars space fighter scenes are meant to evoke ww2 rather than science fiction. I am aware. It just sticks out like a sore thumb when you watch it because you just wonder why they didn't do the trench run with a lead X forward and 2 X's reversed to protect them. The more you think about it the more your brain hurts. I get why George did it, and it does make the space combat scenes more exciting in the movies I'm sure, but it is also dumb.
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Dec 8, 2015 19:41
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jassi007 posted:I am aware. It just sticks out like a sore thumb when you watch it because you just wonder why they didn't do the trench run with a lead X forward and 2 X's reversed to protect them. The more you think about it the more your brain hurts. I get why George did it, and it does make the space combat scenes more exciting in the movies I'm sure, but it is also dumb. There's a big difference between flipping around in open space and shooting behind you, and flipping around inside a tiny trench that has outcroppings and guns firing at you.
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Dec 8, 2015 19:46
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Admiral Joeslop posted:There's a big difference between flipping around in open space and shooting behind you, and flipping around inside a tiny trench that has outcroppings and guns firing at you. there are a variety of ways they could do it. They could skim over the trench in a "down" position to cover the X in the trench etc etc. It is space, there is friction. As long as they have maneuvering thrusters to orient the ship you can move in a straight line independently of where your ship is oriented.
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Dec 8, 2015 20:11
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Meanwhile nobody cares, because Star Wars is fun and physics was obviously not the point of the series. I'd love to hear you talk for paragraphs about how the lasers in Star Wars are actually plasma because they're supra-luminal and it's very worth hearing about.
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Dec 8, 2015 20:21
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I mean if you want to go all hard sci fi on it, there's basically no reason to have humans piloting a ship at all, or to have fixed weapons over all turrets, to be firing weapons in visual range of the enemy, etc. Everything will be computer controlled because a fight in space with energy weapons will probably last fractions of a second. But it wouldn't be Star Wars at that point so who cares. SW has always operated on the rule of cool.
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The Gate posted:I mean if you want to go all hard sci fi on it, there's basically no reason to have humans piloting a ship at all, or to have fixed weapons over all turrets, to be firing weapons in visual range of the enemy, etc. Everything will be computer controlled because a fight in space with energy weapons will probably last fractions of a second. But it wouldn't be Star Wars at that point so who cares. SW has always operated on the rule of cool. I agree with all of that. As I said that scene in Rebels sticks out like a sore thumb, because they almost always make the aesthetic choice over the "realistic" one.
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Dec 8, 2015 20:34
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Can we shut up about realism in Star Wars please it has wizards with laser swords and pew pew blasters.
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Strobe posted:I'd love to hear you talk for paragraphs about how the lasers in Star Wars are actually plasma because they're supra-luminal and it's very worth hearing about. Wait isn't that what they are in the EU lore? Tibanna gas plasma? I don't care either way about realism or anything but I'm not sure that was the best example. Edit: Don't get me wrong I mostly like Star Wars because it has cool ships in cool battles BattleMaster fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Dec 8, 2015 |
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BattleMaster posted:Wait isn't that what they are in the EU lore? Tibanna gas plasma? The amount that I care, whether it's actually implemented in Star Wars EU or not, is approximately zero. Even if it is in the EU, it's a dumb thing to pontificate on.
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jassi007 posted:I agree with all of that. As I said that scene in Rebels sticks out like a sore thumb, because they almost always make the aesthetic choice over the "realistic" one. I dunno. Vader being a badass enough to fly backwards was pretty awesome. At worse, we can shrug and say he was using the force to fly backwards.
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Realism doesn't matter in Star Wars and there's also an excuse for everything in the EU anyway, so just take things as they are and enjoy cool space fights.
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I'm going to come around to each of your houses and hand out some atomic wedgies.
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I think the argument is that it's cool when Star Wars deviates from the norm and goes all realistic with zero gravity maneuvers like when Vader made his TIE Adv moonwalk while simultaneously owning a couple of Prototype A-Wing pilots. More of that would be awesome. bunnyofdoom posted:Make it a modification. That would be pretty sweet.
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So I think I'm in love with Glitterstim - something is satisfying about having a brobot surrounded by enemies and then popping a stim and turning certain death into a cascade of misses. Two brobots flew pretty well together, but are there any mixed list that are particularly good? Maybe an Aggressor with a Z-swam, or an Aggressor and a Firespray?
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imperialparadox posted:So I think I'm in love with Glitterstim - something is satisfying about having a brobot surrounded by enemies and then popping a stim and turning certain death into a cascade of misses. Two brobots flew pretty well together, but are there any mixed list that are particularly good? Maybe an Aggressor with a Z-swam, or an Aggressor and a Firespray? I found that a single Aggressor with FCS and Autothrusters is a solid 40 point investment. 60 points is a fair amount of wiggle-room...I paired mine with Blaster Turret Kavil and Guri + some mods and it worked out pretty well for me in casual play.
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imperialparadox posted:So I think I'm in love with Glitterstim - something is satisfying about having a brobot surrounded by enemies and then popping a stim and turning certain death into a cascade of misses. Two brobots flew pretty well together, but are there any mixed list that are particularly good? Maybe an Aggressor with a Z-swam, or an Aggressor and a Firespray? The Bounty Bros list is lots of fun to play. It is usually pairing up Boba Fett with an Aggressor. Boba Fett wants to be in the thick of things while the aggressor hangs back and snipes with a HLC. I think my version ran Recon Specialist, PtL, and Engine Upgrade on Fett (double focus and evade when stuff is at range one makes Fett harder to kill, especially with his rerolls). IG-88B has VI, Fire Control, HLC, and Autothrusters. VI on the aggressor lets you choose which ship moves first, which I found helps a lot with picking Manuvers when they are near one another. Finally you have a few points left over for illicit upgrades. I played this list before glitterstim, so mostly threw inertial dampers on the ships.
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Space garbagetruck with an Agressor is pretty fun too. Zip around with the IG and the Yv comes lumbering along.
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Welp I got my poo poo kicked in 4 times tonight twice running Echo/VI/Adv Cloak/Adv Sensors/Intel Agent and 2 Royal Guard Ties with PTL/Autothrusters/Stealth Device and twice swapping one of the Royal Guards for two naked Epsilon Squad TIEf/os. Against Han/Poe twice, Chewie/Dagger Squad/Basic T70 and stresshog T70/Ten Numb/Poe. I acquitted myself OK against Chewie played by a total newbie (still lost), but got owned by the other two so hard. I like nippy arcdodgy interceptors, but I'm not yet good enough to fly them effectively, and against tough tournament winning builds like Han/Poe it's a real struggle. But I got some practice on my blocking and maneuvering, so it's not all bad I guess 
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What was the Han/Poe running, and what did it play like? I rather like that list, so I want to see what people are running.
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Poe/VI/Autothrusters/R5P9/Weapons Guidance. Han/C3P0/Engine Upgrade/PTL and I think Kyle Katarn. It was an absolute horror to get with my list flown by a highly skilled player. I think I could have stood a chance reading Poe right with Echo and getting behind him, because a few 5 dice shots up the tailpipe will do for Poe pretty quickly, but the dice were not in my favour the second time with Echo and she died before getting a shot off. The Royal Guard did OK but I think killed himself with asteroids, and the Epsilons were only ever there as blockers anyway.
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I've flown a similar list a few times but with Whisper instead of Echo and no Intel Agent. It's super fun, but super tough. A single bad defense roll can mean doom for each of your ships, and once one of them dies you lose coverage and you end up with a cascade effect of dead pilots.
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Yeah, running arc dodgers against an enemy that moves last is something of a nightmare. Honestly, with what you took against those lists, it would be tough for even a very experienced player to win, so don't feel too bad. If I'm taking someone like echo or another elite-but-not-ps-9 pilot I like to take either Soontir or Vader so that I have something else for them to worry about. Might not work with your build exactly, but it's something to consider.
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https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/12/10/see-the-movie-fly-the-ships/ Targeting Astromech is ownage. Super happy to have a generic astromech on par with what Scum have been getting.
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Yeah, that's a solid, cheap, non unique astro. It'll be very nice on the T-70 especially.
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alg posted:https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2015/12/10/see-the-movie-fly-the-ships/ Nice to see Jek Porkins getting some love. 
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Why the gently caress woudl you but a comm relay ona t-70? They ahve no way of getting evade tokens in that list.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Why the gently caress woudl you but a comm relay ona t-70? They ahve no way of getting evade tokens in that list.
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Also that pilot with comm relay and r2-d2 and integrated astromech is an extremely durable combination that will see a lot of use once the t-70 expac is out.
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Tekopo posted:Read the pilot ability. Duh-hoy. I thought it was the boost 1 sharp pilot
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Tekopo posted:Also that pilot with comm relay and r2-d2 and integrated astromech is an extremely durable combination that will see a lot of use once the t-70 expac is out. Autothrusters will be pretty helpful too in that sort of thing. Integrated gives you more resistance to alpha from a big shot (like a Phantom) but Autothrusters leaves you better off against turrets and multiple attacks in general.
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Tekopo posted:Also that pilot with comm relay and r2-d2 and integrated astromech is an extremely durable combination that will see a lot of use once the t-70 expac is out. I'd take autothrusters over integrated on that guy for sure. Much more damage mitigation overall.
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Holy poo poo can you put Opportunist on Zeta Leader to get two extra dice (and two stress)?
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Epsilon Ace, hoo boy.Strobe posted:Holy poo poo can you put Opportunist on Zeta Leader to get two extra dice (and two stress)? No, since you have to choose one ability to resolve before the other, which then results in a stress token and the inability to use the second.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Why the gently caress woudl you but a comm relay ona t-70? They ahve no way of getting evade tokens in that list. You could also run a list like this: Keyan Farlander (29) Sensor Jammer (4) Jan Ors (2) B-Wing/E2 (1) Poe Dameron (31) BB-8 (2) Comm Relay (3) Integrated Astromech (0) Blue Squadron Novice (24) R2 Astromech (1) Comm Relay (3) Integrated Astromech (0) Total: 100 Keyan Farlander is a decent threat on his own (and always is), but adding Jan Ors means Poe Dameron and your Blue Squadron Novice can pick up Evades in the opening two rounds and keep them for the engagement. Get an extra bit of survivability out of each. If you want to play defensively, you can keep picking up Evades on both of them as long as Keyan is alive. Your enemy has to choose between trying to burn through the extra survivability that Jan gives them or swap targets to Keyan, who isn't a pushover. Sensor Jammer makes him a little more durable, and it forces your opponent to take a Focus every time they want to shoot at him or lose their hits. Might keep him alive a round longer, might encourage your opponent to fighit Poe or BSN instead, might not. Be fun to play.
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