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However much his kingdom is being torn apart it should be noted Doom is 2 and 0 in head to head confrontations (3-0 or 2-0-1 depending on if and how you want to count his killing Dr. Strange)
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Yeah but Reeds and co are sneaking around to unplug him while Bp is waving that gauntlet around.
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Dec 10, 2015 07:50
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SynthOrange posted:Yeah but Reeds and co are sneaking around to unplug him while Bp is waving that gauntlet around. Obviously Doom won't triumph, (or he will, but in such a way that he sacrifices his soul to restore most of the Multiverse, except a few bits from Ultimate make it into 616 and also gets to come back Handsome), but It sorta shows he's got power when he's been shown to kill 2 people with power to rival gods with his bear hands. Also, I know this will probably never happen, but I want to see series explaining how Scott got the loving Phoenix Egg and apparently his own country also.
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Dec 10, 2015 08:03
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Yeah I would much rather see a story detailing what happened during the time skip rather than whatever asinine terrigan plague storyline they'll be delivering for the time being. There have been minis pertaining to the shield (Siege I think) that outright stated the shield had fallen before and Doom just put it back together again like it was nothing, he just took his sweet time doing so and a lot of people died in the process.I wouldn't be surprised if Doom wasn't taking any of this seriously until he saw T'Challa with the gauntlet. He just assumed whatever happens he could undo it all so might as well see how far the shake up goes. He looked like a pretty bored god-king at the start of the event.
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Dec 10, 2015 12:24
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Kaleidoscope posted:Yeah I would much rather see a story detailing what happened during the time skip rather than whatever asinine terrigan plague storyline they'll be delivering for the time being. It's important to note that in that particular instance (the siege breaking and doom waving it all back to place in an instant) happened "decades" ago and could have just been a memory implanted by him and strange in order to oversell how much power he may actually have. He took down Thanos and Cyclops like it was nothing but there may still be some limit of how much he can borrow from Reese at any given time.
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Dec 10, 2015 17:30
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Hickman's Av/NAv run made it clear thatan incursion-ended reality is erased, not stopped: its entire timeline exists, past and future, until the incursion annihilates the universe. At that point, the entire timeline, past and future, ceases to be. I assume that, as part of the same big saga, the same rules apply here to a universe's creation—that the whole of time exists for Battleworld, past and future. We've already seen Kang, and he didn't say "btw everything more than like a decade ago is a yawning void of horseshit and screaming ghosts", so.
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Dec 10, 2015 18:37
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Squizzle posted:Hickman's Av/NAv run made it clear thatan incursion-ended reality is erased, not stopped: its entire timeline exists, past and future, until the incursion annihilates the universe. At that point, the entire timeline, past and future, ceases to be. I assume that, as part of the same big saga, the same rules apply here to a universe's creation—that the whole of time exists for Battleworld, past and future. Things in time travel get weird when things happen 'outside' of time but still have a linear story for the sake of the viewer. But this is a pretty good take.
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Dec 10, 2015 19:21
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I also like how time travel itself has different rules depending on which device you use to travel. Like Doom's time travel machine is unique in one way while Kang travels in another way and it just gets weirder and weirder.
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Dec 10, 2015 21:22
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:I also like how time travel itself has different rules depending on which device you use to travel. Like Doom's time travel machine is unique in one way while Kang travels in another way and it just gets weirder and weirder. When people  about a Marvel time-travel plot not following the Grunewald Rules, I imagine them flabbergasted whenever they see an airplane, shouting "THAT'S NOT HOW BOATS WORK!" toward the sky.
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Dec 10, 2015 22:12
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Squizzle posted:When people This is now how I plan to react to every plane I see.
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Skwirl posted:Obviously Doom won't triumph, (or he will, but in such a way that he sacrifices his soul to restore most of the Multiverse, except a few bits from Ultimate make it into 616 and also gets to come back Handsome), but It sorta shows he's got power when he's been shown to kill 2 people with power to rival gods with his bear hands. I wasn't aware that Dr. Doom had bear hands. In what issue did he get them? Must've been a tie-in.
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Technically it's only one, and it's called the Infinity Growlntlet.
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I thought the Thanos scene was a great mirror of the Thanos/Cap scene from Infinity Gauntlet.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:I also like how time travel itself has different rules depending on which device you use to travel. Like Doom's time travel machine is unique in one way while Kang travels in another way and it just gets weirder and weirder. I long for a Rip Hunter like character to try and explain this principle rule of time travel to someone with the following metaphor. "Time travel is a lot like going on a road trip with your friends. The destination isn't really what's important, it's the journey itself that's important."
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Dec 12, 2015 13:48
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I think Doom's reactions indicate this isn't the first time this has all happened. Wouldn't be surprised if he's on his fifth reset ending in all out rebellion and this time gives up and lets someone else play god
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Yeah that's the impression I got as well. Although with Namor and T'Challa having the gauntlet things may be different.
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Iggles posted:I think Doom's reactions indicate this isn't the first time this has all happened. Wouldn't be surprised if he's on his fifth reset ending in all out rebellion and this time gives up and lets someone else play god I'm sure that there have been rebellions and all that, but this is definitely the first time that the pre-Battleworld survivors have shown up.
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Dec 16, 2015 19:27
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Ultimate End was all worth it because Bendis took my suggestion (not really, but I did ask him about it) and brought back Rio Morales. I thought her death was a hell of a waste.
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Dec 16, 2015 21:25
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^Agreed, I decided to check Ultimate End, didn't really understand the ending that well but that was great, Rio dying was when USM began going downhill imo so it's good Bendis used this chance to bring her back
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Wanderer posted:Ultimate End was all worth it because Bendis took my suggestion (not really, but I did ask him about it) and brought back Rio Morales. I thought her death was a hell of a waste. I disagree. I like the idea in theory but there was no build up or anything, it just kind of happened in a book about nothing but things just kind of happening. It could have been done a lot better in a non-terrible comic.
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Dec 16, 2015 22:23
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Way I see it: Ultimate End was boring, pretty unnecessary and just happened, what matters is that now Miles' next book will have another good element to it.
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Dec 16, 2015 22:35
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The most annoying thing about Ultimate End was Peter Parker not having any idea who 1610 Black Widow was even though they met like four months ago.
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Isnt everyone in Ultimate End just a weird not quite the real-thing Battleworld clone though? vOv
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SynthOrange posted:Isnt everyone in Ultimate End just a weird not quite the real-thing Battleworld clone though? vOv Pretty much. Even the 616 characters in The End are Battleworld Clones.
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SynthOrange posted:Isnt everyone in Ultimate End just a weird not quite the real-thing Battleworld clone though? vOv Yeah but that Battleworld-clone-Peter knows Miles, implying that he has all the memories of 616 Parker.
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Dec 18, 2015 03:30
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He's as him as whatever Peter we are reading about now is him. I'm not sure how you handle people being put back into reality. I can't wait for the fallout when, in the grand tradition of secret things past, they all remember Secret Wars.
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Nevvy Z posted:He's as him as whatever Peter we are reading about now is him. I'm not sure how you handle people being put back into reality. I can't wait for the fallout when, in the grand tradition of secret things past, they all remember Secret Wars. Layla Miller did at one point get her future knowledge from future Doom so maybe she'll make another big comeback!
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kdrudy posted:Layla Miller did at one point get her future knowledge from future Doom so maybe she'll make another big comeback! I bet she's pissed that she now knows all there is to know about the future of a dumb broken universe that no longer exists.  616, you made Layla Miller useful.
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G'bye 1610 Jessica and Kitty, I thought you were both pretty okay but I guess you evaporated into white light, the end. 
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NmareBfly posted:G'bye 1610 Jessica and Kitty, I thought you were both pretty okay but I guess you evaporated into white light, the end. I'd wait for Spider-Man to come out before writing off any Ultimate characters. Like we already know Bombshell is coming over. I wouldn't be surprised if Kitty, Jessica, and Cloak and Dagger did too.
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Codependent Poster posted:I'd wait for Spider-Man to come out before writing off any Ultimate characters. Like we already know Bombshell is coming over. I wouldn't be surprised if Kitty, Jessica, and Cloak and Dagger did too. I expect C&D to return as an amalgam of their ultimate incarnations and their recent appearance in SW. We probably won't get a second Kitty, though all these alternate X-people are already running around so maybe we will. Did 616 Peter ever meet Ultimate Jessica?
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Nevvy Z posted:I expect C&D to return as an amalgam of their ultimate incarnations and their recent appearance in SW. We probably won't get a second Kitty, though all these alternate X-people are already running around so maybe we will. Pretty sure he met everyone in Spider-Men.
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Codependent Poster posted:I'd wait for Spider-Man to come out before writing off any Ultimate characters. Like we already know Bombshell is coming over. I wouldn't be surprised if Kitty, Jessica, and Cloak and Dagger did too. I think they will try and avoid having to many duplicates around as it is dumb and confusing.
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I'd like to see 616 Jess meet 1610 Jess "So...you're a clone of Peter?" "And you're just some woman?" "Did you know a clone of Gwen Stacy was Carnage?" "What? That's messed up. Hey you know Peter in our world doesn't were underpants under his costume?" "Ewwww, I hugged him!" If they were going to have an Alt Kitty, i'd prefer the AoA Kitty from Star Lord and Kitty Pryde to come over.
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twistedmentat posted:I'd like to see 616 Jess meet 1610 Jess I'd rather have the Kitty Pride from Siege. 
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Nevvy Z posted:I expect C&D to return as an amalgam of their ultimate incarnations and their recent appearance in SW. We probably won't get a second Kitty, though all these alternate X-people are already running around so maybe we will. The 616 Cloak and Dagger are showing up in some book, I forget which, but they'll be as we last saw them with their powers reversed because of Mr. Negative.
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Codependent Poster posted:The 616 Cloak and Dagger are showing up in some book, I forget which, but they'll be as we last saw them with their powers reversed because of Mr. Negative. I am almost sure we saw them with their powers not reversed a couple times since then.
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plainswalker75 posted:I'd rather have the Kitty Pride from Siege. Just follows the major players going "Lyiiiiiiiinnnnnngggg!" all the time.
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twistedmentat posted:Just follows the major players going "Lyiiiiiiiinnnnnngggg!" all the time. Siege != Saga. Though that would be pretty cool too. 
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Siege != Saga. Someone didn't read Siege.
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