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The Lord of Hats posted:Matthias Hunt? What's wrong with him? His voice is very annoying and he pronounces things like Gitaxian Probe all wrong.
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Hey, at least it's not the Wizards stream, where on 2 separate occasions today I tuned in just in time for 30+ seconds of dead air! 
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Dec 11, 2015 22:57
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mehall posted:So my redraft pool tonight is garbage. Kiora is extremely bad and I wouldn't play it in a draft deck.
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Dec 11, 2015 22:58
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NivMizzet posted:Design can probably be blamed for a lot that's wrong with this block, but at least Maro wanted to do the colorless symbol in BFZ but got voted down. Further proof Maro knows better than just about anyone in design .
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Dec 11, 2015 23:27
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JerryLee posted:Yeah, the more I think about it, the more saying "It doesn't play nice with converge, therefore parasitic" is really pretty dumb It also hates Devoid! Don't forget that the colorless mechanic and the colorless mechanic don't work well together. Which by extension gets Processors as all ingesters are devoid cards and nothing in true colorless below 7 mana exiles. {c}-cards are gonna have to do a lot of work to get over being bad with colorless cards. Converge is just part of it; Kozilek's Chaneller and Hedron Archive and Pilgrim's Eye are the only spells in BFZ that cost less than 6 mama and don't oppose colorless-only, because the rest are colored or punish colorless. This is going to be dumb.
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Dec 11, 2015 23:41
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It would have made sense. Implement C in BFZ with reminder text and hint cards "C is colorless mana. (1) can be paid with any mana or colorless mana." Let that soak in over a set. The for the beginning of spoiler season they simply post new Kozilek, mic drop. Walk back on stage, show Wastes, mic drop again.
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Dec 11, 2015 23:43
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:It also hates Devoid! Don't forget that the colorless mechanic and the colorless mechanic don't work well together. Which by extension gets Processors as all ingesters are devoid cards and nothing in true colorless below 7 mana exiles. {c}-cards are gonna have to do a lot of work to get over being bad with colorless cards. Converge is just part of it; Kozilek's Chaneller and Hedron Archive and Pilgrim's Eye are the only spells in BFZ that cost less than 6 mama and don't oppose colorless-only, because the rest are colored or punish colorless. Has anything been said about C only paying for C costs and not being usable for generic costs? Because if not, you're overreacting.
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Dec 11, 2015 23:43
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:It also hates Devoid! Don't forget that the colorless mechanic and the colorless mechanic don't work well together. Which by extension gets Processors as all ingesters are devoid cards and nothing in true colorless below 7 mana exiles. {c}-cards are gonna have to do a lot of work to get over being bad with colorless cards. Converge is just part of it; Kozilek's Chaneller and Hedron Archive and Pilgrim's Eye are the only spells in BFZ that cost less than 6 mama and don't oppose colorless-only, because the rest are colored or punish colorless. BFZ is also going to be 1x whereas the new set, a small set, is going to be 2x. Give it a rest Chicken Little.
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Dec 11, 2015 23:45
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PJOmega posted:It would have made sense. Implement C in BFZ with reminder text and hint cards "C is colorless mana. (1) can be paid with any mana or colorless mana." Let that soak in over a set. The for the beginning of spoiler season they simply post new Kozilek, mic drop. Walk back on stage, show Wastes, mic drop again.
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Dec 11, 2015 23:48
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MtG design peaked at Khans block. Its all downhill from here anyway.
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Dec 11, 2015 23:51
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PJOmega posted:BFZ is also going to be 1x whereas the new set, a small set, is going to be 2x. Give it a rest Chicken Little. That changes everything re: colorless having no synergy with itself in pack 3 lest you pull a spawning bed. It's also Constructed, that C cards won't work in Standard unless they are hilariously strong. And Kozilek in tron/MUD I guess. Being a theme in a small set does that.
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Dec 11, 2015 23:56
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To be fair, pack three has channelers and all the scions.
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Dec 12, 2015 00:07
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I'm just going to be waiting on the inevitable draft watching random Jerkface McGee across from me open an expedition from both sets. (I still haven't pulled one, yet. I think I'm the only regular player at my store who hasn't.  )
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Dec 12, 2015 00:11
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:It also hates Devoid! Don't forget that the colorless mechanic and the colorless mechanic don't work well together. Which by extension gets Processors as all ingesters are devoid cards and nothing in true colorless below 7 mana exiles. {c}-cards are gonna have to do a lot of work to get over being bad with colorless cards. Converge is just part of it; Kozilek's Chaneller and Hedron Archive and Pilgrim's Eye are the only spells in BFZ that cost less than 6 mama and don't oppose colorless-only, because the rest are colored or punish colorless. It's not as though you can't just play one color of devoid cards along with your diamond cards, or maybe even two colors depending on how good the mana is. The colorless matters cards play pretty well with diamond cards. Not sure how well the ingest/processor decks will work with only one pack of the BFZ cards, but wasn't that always going to be the case?
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Dec 12, 2015 00:14
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:That changes everything re: colorless having no synergy with itself in pack 3 lest you pull a spawning bed. Dear friend: We have seen, at most, three cards out of all of Oath of the Gatewatch. Within the remaining cards, it is incredibly likely that we will see cards which meaningfully interact not only with colorless cards, but specifically with Ingestors and Processors. Cosi might do poo poo differently, but I think it's a hard sell that he's not able to help a brotha out.
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Dec 12, 2015 00:15
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Yeah no loving way they dont have Kozilek scions in oath.
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Dec 12, 2015 00:16
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It'll be pretty funny if green in BFZ suddenly becomes much better in draft due to all the scion production. Suddenly a 3 mana make two 1/1s becomes pretty good if enables a bunch of cards that have CC in their mana cost (maybe a 2CC 4/4, or 4C removal spell, etc)
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Dec 12, 2015 00:21
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So when do we start speculating on Boreal Druid? Or did I miss it?
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Zoness posted:In what deck would Kiora belong as long as Jace and Nissa are around? GU Eldrazi Ramp.
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Dec 12, 2015 00:30
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:It also hates Devoid! Don't forget that the colorless mechanic and the colorless mechanic don't work well together. Which by extension gets Processors as all ingesters are devoid cards and nothing in true colorless below 7 mana exiles. {c}-cards are gonna have to do a lot of work to get over being bad with colorless cards. Converge is just part of it; Kozilek's Chaneller and Hedron Archive and Pilgrim's Eye are the only spells in BFZ that cost less than 6 mama and don't oppose colorless-only, because the rest are colored or punish colorless. If you're in the (C) deck you'll probably spend the third pack picking up scions, colorless lands, colorless lords or whatever stuff you like in your second colour.
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Niton posted:Dear friend: We have seen, at most, three cards out of all of Oath of the Gatewatch. Within the remaining cards, it is incredibly likely that we will see cards which meaningfully interact not only with colorless cards, but specifically with Ingestors and Processors. Cosi might do poo poo differently, but I think it's a hard sell that he's not able to help a brotha out. It's more likely it'll be like other small set mechanics i.e. not many cards and most of those blow. It just so happens to be one of those that demands you build rather specifically to it like Savior's cards-in-hand theme. I'm guessing it'll be BoTG levels of "well that was disappointing *shrug*" though, not some cataclysm of bad set design.
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Dec 12, 2015 00:40
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Fortunately there are decks in every competitive format that are already set up to meet those demands.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:It's more likely it'll be like other small set mechanics i.e. not many cards and most of those blow. It just so happens to be one of those that demands you build rather specifically to it like Savior's cards-in-hand theme. we have no idea! 
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:It also hates Devoid! Don't forget that the colorless mechanic and the colorless mechanic don't work well together. Which by extension gets Processors as all ingesters are devoid cards and nothing in true colorless below 7 mana exiles. {c}-cards are gonna have to do a lot of work to get over being bad with colorless cards. Converge is just part of it; Kozilek's Chaneller and Hedron Archive and Pilgrim's Eye are the only spells in BFZ that cost less than 6 mama and don't oppose colorless-only, because the rest are colored or punish colorless. I read this as sarcastic at first before I saw who posted it. Here is how things probably go down: I draft SickAggroRare McColorlessMana. I take a couple wastes in the first two packs and maybe a couple of other colorless-mana cards that fit with my strategy. I also pick up some of the devoid cards that are very likely going to be in this set, too! I get to pack 3, and I'm already set up well to take advantage of all of the B/R devoid cards. I do have to pay some extra attention to my colored costs, because I've already committed part of my mana base to being colorless. Colorless-Mana-Required cards are a small portion of my deck, but come with some extra oomph that makes it worth the extra work. I open palm slam Kozilek in pack one, because that's how I roll. I take ramp cards, like Scion producers (because they're not going to straight-up abandon all themes!), and maybe a couple other Colorless cards, because I already have the tools to support it. In pack three, I'm probably grabbing big Eldrazi and all of the green scion cards which are suddenly way more useful! Heck, maybe I don't even need to take that many Wastes with all these scions. I take Mirrorpool first, because it's not a big commitment. It turns out that W/U is what's open, and White has a fair number of WW-costed cards, so I can't really go deep on wastes. I resolve to maybe prioritize getting a colorless land or two in pack three, because that's all it takes to turn on mirrorpool, and at worst it's a CIPT colorless land. I am essentially just splashing colorless. Oh man, converge is still a thing! In fact, it has actual payoff now! I'm getting all the sweet converge cards in Oath, because I don't need to spend picks on wastes, and maybe there's some colored-only fixing that some of the decks have to pass on in favor of colorless things. I don't care about the colorless cards at all, but it's not like the existence of cards that don't fit in my strategy has prevented me from executing it. The mechanic has impacted my draft even though I haven't even touched a colorless card, because it's changed the decisions around me. In short, you have the dumbest argument here, seriously.
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Dec 12, 2015 01:04
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:It's more likely it'll be like other small set mechanics i.e. not many cards and most of those blow. It just so happens to be one of those that demands you build rather specifically to it like Savior's cards-in-hand theme. Just because you were wrong about the spoilers being legit doesn't mean you need to double down and become even more of a crybaby about them.
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Dec 12, 2015 01:12
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Sickening posted:He isn't Cedric is mostly the problem. Cedric is the best commentator. 
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Dec 12, 2015 02:11
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Speaking of, he and Patrick are commenting on Sam Black playing Pyxis of Pandemonium in Modern.
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Dec 12, 2015 02:17
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Never not double down when you're wrong.
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Gridlocked posted:Cedric is the best commentator. maybe if you read that guys posts you'd realize he doesn't have a problem with cedric
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Dec 12, 2015 02:45
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The trick to making basic lands more draftable is to have the 23rd card type cards loving awful. I drafted a bunch of basics in AVR!!!
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mandatory lesbian posted:maybe if you read that guys posts you'd realize he doesn't have a problem with cedric Whoops looks like I missed whether or not a comma was there.
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rabidsquid posted:The trick to making basic lands more draftable is to have the 23rd card type cards loving awful. I draft basics in BFZ all the time because thyre purdy
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Dec 12, 2015 03:53
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I love to draft some nice looking lands and 23rd cards are rarely good enough that i care i didn't pick one
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quote:fakeneet asked: So, you said earlier that C in terms of mana production will happen regularly, C in terms of mana costs sparingly, but what I want to know is if you know / are allowed to tell us if Wastes will be printed in all/most sets from here on out. quote:fattestfatty asked: Will colorless mana in the casting cost be used outside Zendikar? quote:garookthemindscalper asked: Will colorless mana be a one set thing or will it be used in future sets? Man. That's a shame.
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Dec 12, 2015 05:01
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Frozen_flame posted:Speaking of, he and Patrick are commenting on Sam Black playing Pyxis of Pandemonium in Modern. I've seen Pyxis in Lantern Control decks as Ghoulcaller Bells 5-8, the first time I played against it I made a very grog-y guy really made when I exiled a card to it face-up instead of face-down.
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fadam posted:Just because you were wrong about the spoilers being legit doesn't mean you need to double down and become even more of a crybaby about them. You know, I am making the same arguments again, and people didn't believe me then either. I think I'll just quietly seethe at the bad mechanic.
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Dec 12, 2015 06:48
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:You know, I am making the same arguments again, and people didn't believe me then either. I think I'll just quietly seethe at the bad mechanic. I look forward to you  about it again 2 months from now
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Dec 12, 2015 06:50
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Actually the world will be overrun by vampires by then. I'm not saying it has anything to do with a certain cube designer, but I'm also not not saying it either
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rabidsquid posted:Actually the world will be overrun by vampires by then. I'm not saying it has anything to do with a certain cube designer, but I'm also not not saying it either "Aw gently caress TheKingofSprings I just got bit by a loving vampire! Don't play {c}-only cards! Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!" - Orange Fluffy Sheep, Magic Thread poster, last words
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