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mishaq posted:if enough people take the bus there are less cars so there's less traffic busses would need to deal with which would mean it would be better to drive a car which would be faster and more convenient than the bus what with all the reduced traffic
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Shaggar posted:which would mean it would be better to drive a car which would be faster and more convenient than the bus what with all the reduced traffic thats when you pull a singapore and make it financially unreasonable to operate a car within major metro areas
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that would be incredibly stupid
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it would actually own good public transportation is cool + good dont worry it wont ever affect people in the middle of nowhere like maine
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good public transportation is subway and elevated rail. roads are for cars and busses will forever be trash for the pig folk
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolleybus
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lmao that's the worst of all worlds
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Shaggar posted:lmao that's the worst of all worlds they're better for the environment and quieter than a regular bus, but not as stupid as a streetcar
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Grandmaster.flv posted:yeah our governor is doing nothing about it and is making us unfit for the winter the transit boston deserves
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yard salad posted:americans think that mass transit is a communist handout to the underclass designed to get people hooked on government assistance. and yet they're somehow doing the Lord's work by driving on federally funded highways in their private vehicle (likely made by a company bailed out with federal money) its only a 'handout' when people you hate are benefiting from it
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:right in LA we have the orange line which is a bus on its own street. the street goes like diagonal on w/e thru the valley. it hooks up with the good subway. i took it to community college and it was pretty ftw but its still a bus and i wish it was a train b.c autism
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i mean to clarify its like it has a train track thing. its like walled off from the road. but only the bus can drive on it. its like wtf. shouldt this just be a train. idk man.
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Dec 12, 2015 07:38
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oh also it has stops that more resemble a subway stop but theyre above ground. its like a train stop but then the bus comes. its a train bus.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIpavqpuO10&t=18m40s
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Smythe posted:i mean to clarify its like it has a train track thing. its like walled off from the road. but only the bus can drive on it. its like wtf. shouldt this just be a train. idk man. seek to 20m25s brother
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Smythe posted:oh also it has stops that more resemble a subway stop but theyre above ground. its like a train stop but then the bus comes. its a train bus. train buses ftw
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Dec 12, 2015 07:58
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This is epic. Date night is cancelled.
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Smythe posted:This is epic. Date night is cancelled. 
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qirex posted:the only actual BRT is the tunnel in Seattle, cross traffic and its associated gridlock, rando pedestrians, people driving in the bus lane even though it's illegal, etc will keep it at slightly faster bus what do you mean the only actual brt? why doesnt something like this count 
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Wow, the High Line owns.
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Smythe posted:i mean to clarify its like it has a train track thing. its like walled off from the road. but only the bus can drive on it. its like wtf. shouldt this just be a train. idk man. Smythe posted:oh also it has stops that more resemble a subway stop but theyre above ground. its like a train stop but then the bus comes. its a train bus. yeah, this is "real" BRT. it's like 80% of the cost of a train, but 100% as good for a known traffic volume. it's predictable, on-time performance is really good, you never have "bus bunching," you don't spend ten minutes at a stop waiting for people to pay, etc. turns out, when you eliminate all the bad dumb poo poo about buses, rich people will willingly ride them. "bus stigma" is all about how intrinsically lovely surface buses are, not about technology. tl;dr: w/ BRT, you save some money as long as you don't need to move a crazy huge number of people Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Dec 12, 2015 |
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also real "bus trains" exist the montreal subway uses trains with rubber tires that run in a concrete track. i have never ridden it but it sounds kinda cool, if pointlessly expensive. it's all very weird and french. 
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:it's all very weird and french. yes, it perpetually reeks of piss. toronto transit time! TTC has swipe passes and has had them since the 90s. they cost $141/month or $1551 if you buy them all at once for the year. passholders have paid $20 in increases in the last four years while cash fares remained the same, service standards were cut to pre-2003 levels back in 2010 and still haven't recovered. after a decade of fighting the regional transit authority (metrolinx), TTC is finally implementing the multi-system contactless card that everyone else in the area (*GTHA and ottawa) uses. it might be done sometime around 2017, and it was an obsolete POS when it was created. "presto" is a completely offline system, the balance is stored on the card itself, the readers are updated daily, manually. it can take "up to 24 hours" to update a card balance online since the data has to go out to the readers, then get flashed on to the appropriate card the next time it's used (seriously). in practice this means your balance can be lost completely if you top up your card online, then don't travel for a week. in other news, nearby mississauga has a real BRT with dedicated ROW, it goes from the city center to approximately nowhere, where sometime long after my death toronto may have some kind of transfer point from the crosstown LRT (current plan has it stop about 2km away, because gently caress you). we have "high-speed" rail to the airport from downtown. it dakes 25 minutes to go 23km, with two in between stops, and costs $19 one-way, if you have a pass. no one rides it, and the trains operate empty except for crew throughout the day.
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Shaggar posted:busses will forever be trash for the pig folk shaggar was white
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shaggar lives in a state with a population density of 40 people per sq. mile and a total population lower than some urban neighbourhoods, asking him about transit is like asking a sub-saharan nomad their thoughts on indoor plumbing
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:also real "bus trains" exist surprised the hell out of me the first time i went to montreal. "oh hey here comes the subway ca-WHAT THE gently caress tires??" makes for a very quiet and smooth ride. i think it allows the cars to climb steeper inclines, too funny you mention it being very french cuz some of paris' subway also uses tires
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infernal machines posted:shaggar lives in a state with a population density of 40 people per sq. mile and a total population lower than some urban neighbourhoods, asking him about transit is like asking a sub-saharan nomad their thoughts on indoor plumbing surface buses are to transit what the honey bucket is to indoor plumbing. it's a notch better than nothing, but nobody chooses it over any available alternative.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:surface buses are to transit what the honey bucket is to indoor plumbing. it's a notch better than nothing, but nobody chooses it over any available alternative. except in this metaphor we have cities with millions of inhabitants, all using honey buckets or just making GBS threads in the streets, because the government won't pony up the cash for anything better. alternatives are preferable, but ain't nobody gonna pay for 'em
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also, buses are fine on many routes. if the bus sucks it's because your ridership demand is high enough for LRT or so low that route is being run as a token gesture for the six poor bastards a day that need it.
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infernal machines posted:except in this metaphor we have cities with millions of inhabitants, all using honey buckets or just making GBS threads in the streets, because the government won't pony up the cash for anything better. people prefer private cars to buses for obvious reasons, and anyone who can afford one immediately stops riding the bus. it's not possible to make buses stop sucking. the suckage is built-in. totally unavoidable. the only way to get regular people to ride buses is to make private cars unaffordable. singapore and denmark have done this. infernal machines posted:alternatives are preferable, but ain't nobody gonna pay for 'em that's right, nobody's gonna pay for them it costs billions of dollars to construct even a crude rail system. hardly anywhere in the u.s. or canada has the population density to justify such an expense. it is admittedly something of a chicken/egg problem. much of the what is today the nyc subway was built speculatively. tracks and stations built into farms and cowtowns. and they spent an unholy amount of money to build it all -- the first bonds for subway construction were worth something like 50% of the property value of manhattan.
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I ride the bus to and from work and I like it since the bus is 90% hospital employees
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:people prefer private cars to buses for obvious reasons, and anyone who can afford one immediately stops riding the bus. a significant portion of the financial and professional district in downtown toronto disagree with you (and yes, they use buses, not just the streetcars and subway) Notorious b.s.d. posted:the only way to get regular people to ride buses is to make private cars unaffordable. singapore and denmark have done this. also not true, people voluntarily ride transit when it's faster or more convenient than driving, which in a dense city core it very frequently is, again see: toronto Notorious b.s.d. posted:it is admittedly something of a chicken/egg problem. much of the what is today the nyc subway was built speculatively. tracks and stations built into farms and cowtowns. and they spent an unholy amount of money to build it all -- the first bonds for subway construction were worth something like 50% of the property value of manhattan. weirdly while the system here developed similarly, we have the opposite issue at the moment. two extensions to the existing system are being built or planned to be built to buttfuck nowhere. they're guaranteed to lose money hand over fist, considerably more so than the rest of the system, because there's no ridership in these areas to support a subway and no realistic chance of future densification along the routes. their existence is purely thanks to pandering bullshit sold to suburbanites with a civic inferiority complex. meanwhile the city core where the system already is operating beyond capacity is being neglected for lack of funds.
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infernal machines posted:also, buses are fine on many routes. if the bus sucks it's because your ridership demand is high enough for LRT or so low that route is being run as a token gesture for the six poor bastards a day that need it. the only (transit) bus routes that work are routes that don't encounter any traffic. if there's no traffic, why is there a bus route? 
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the only (transit) bus routes that work are routes that don't encounter any traffic. well there's a)dedicated row brt, b)time-of-day restricted transit only lanes, and c)routes with relatively low traffic volume (e.g. routes serving industrial and low density commercial areas) also bus routes to the rear end end of the ghetto at 4am so people can get home from their awful shift work
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Adix posted:shaggar was white
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infernal machines posted:well there's a)dedicated row brt, b)time-of-day restricted transit only lanes, and c)routes with relatively low traffic volume (e.g. routes serving industrial and low density commercial areas) a. costs as much as rail b. doesn't work. even if you have jersey walls to keep assholes out, you still have stoplights c. ok this works i guess. a hella peaky traffic pattern where almost everyone is poor as gently caress anyway
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a) costs slightly less than rail upfront, and has lower operational costs, and lower maintenance infrastructure costs assuming you already have a bus fleet in operation. it's still p. dumb, but the point is buses aren't just for poors, they can be implemented well, and they're actually used by pretty broad demographics in places where, you know, there are more people than cows.
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infernal machines posted:it's still p. dumb, but the point is buses aren't just for poors, they can be implemented well, and they're actually used by pretty broad demographics in places where, you know, there are more people than cows. used pretty widely (by poor people)
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people who don't like buses are just racist Bostonians
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people hate buses because they take for loving ever and make you late for literally any appointment you might have. it is not possible to ride a city bus and live up to basic obligations of middle class life. the racism is incidental. since only poor people ride buses, in many urban areas, most of the faces you'll see on the bus are not white
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