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A bunch of people were talking about {C} tonight, and someone who plays Magic but hasn't kept up with the spoilers piped up. "Yeah, okay, those are so fake.  " "No dude, they showed them at the World Magic Cup." "No way, they wouldn't do something like that." "Uh... here's the YouTube video." "...That's so loving stupid." People seem more upset about this mechanic than any other in recent memory, and it doesn't even change much. A symbol is changed, and now there are some cards that are hard to cast in a three color deck. They're just confused between "generic" and "colorless" mana. I can't wait until people play with this and see that it's no big deal, because the whining has been loud and annoying.
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I have to agree - this is a very, very small functional change, which happens to allow for a new mana type in the casting cost of spells. As soon as people play with it for even a second, i'm sure they'll shut up about how DIFFICULT IT IS, but the projection is absolutely insufferable. Seriously, nothing will change for any of the cards you currently own.
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Dec 12, 2015 07:05
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Niton posted:Seriously, nothing will change for any of the cards you currently own. No way man, I just bought my FIFTH $1000 Modern deck and this tiny change is clearly the trigger that all smart players will be using to sell out before that format crashes!
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Dec 12, 2015 07:12
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I didn't watch the announcement, are they making any functional changes to the rules? I guess they have to to make Wastes tap for mana?
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Dec 12, 2015 07:21
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There's no functional change at all. Just a notation change alongside a new mechanic. On another note, Diamond mana totally plays well with devoid. The purpose of Devoid was to put colorless creatures (for the colorless matters cards) at a higher density than you could otherwise have in the set. Diamond is a complementary way of doing this.
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Dec 12, 2015 07:26
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I'm pretty sure this thread is beating the hell out of a position few, if any of us, actually hold. Everyone in the thread I'm pretty sure understands the mana. It's just a question of whether it gets used for lasting design space or whether it just leaves baggage behind for a dumb flavor throwaway gimmick.
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Dec 12, 2015 07:27
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I didn't watch the announcement, are they making any functional changes to the rules? I guess they have to to make Wastes tap for mana? The change, as far as I can tell, is "Basic lands without a type tap for {C}". That doesn't actually change any other currently-printed card, but I suspect we'll see a (colorshifted?) Spreading Seas variant that does that.
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Dec 12, 2015 07:29
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Nehru the Damaja posted:I'm pretty sure this thread is beating the hell out of a position few, if any of us, actually hold. That will depend on how it's received
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Dec 12, 2015 07:39
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Niton posted:The change, as far as I can tell, is "Basic lands without a type tap for {C}". That doesn't actually change any other currently-printed card, but I suspect we'll see a (colorshifted?) Spreading Seas variant that does that. 1C Spreading Seas sounds like an insane card for Tron/Affinity. Make it happen 
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Dec 12, 2015 07:40
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So colourless is not "mana of any colour", right? Like BoP can't tap for it, I'm guessing? I wonder what kind of interactions or consequences you wouldn't expect because of that. I'm thinking of stuff like: New Kozilek couldn't be cast as uncounterable with Cavern of Souls if it's one of your only two sources of colourless mana, but could be if it isn't.
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Dec 12, 2015 07:45
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odiv posted:So colourless is not "mana of any colour", right? Like BoP can't tap for it, I'm guessing? They'll print a new BoP that taps for "mana not of any colour".
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Dec 12, 2015 08:04
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Cynic Jester posted:They'll print a new BoP that taps for "mana not of any colour". They aren't printing 1 cmc mana dorks.
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Dec 12, 2015 08:07
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Cynic Jester posted:They'll print a new BoP that taps for "mana not of any colour". When ~ enters the battlefield, target opponent may name a color. T: Add any one mana any color not named by your opponent or {C} to your mana pool.
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Dec 12, 2015 08:08
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Cactrot posted:They aren't printing 1 cmc mana dorks. Yeah, they want standard to be trash and they're committed to that
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Dec 12, 2015 08:09
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TheKingofSprings posted:Yeah, they want standard to be trash and they're committed to that It took so little that no one even noticed.
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Dec 12, 2015 08:12
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Two odd possible interactions I thought of - 1. I think Urborg removes the ability of Wastes to tap for (C). I imagine it's not getting reprinted for standard anytime soon 2. IIRC under current EDH rules trying to add mana to your pool of a color outside your commander's identity produces colorless instead. So eg City of Brass/BoP may be able to tap for (C) in non-5c decks.
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Dec 12, 2015 08:20
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God drat, Boreal Druid is so good now. Can't wait for Snow Emrakul.
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Dec 12, 2015 08:30
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GonSmithe posted:God drat, Boreal Druid is so good now. Can't wait for Snow Emrakul. *Plays Emrakul* Don't waste your time, there's snow way to win now.
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Dec 12, 2015 08:34
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GonSmithe posted:God drat, Boreal Druid is so good now. Can't wait for Snow Emrakul. It will be a cold day in hell...
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odiv posted:So colourless is not "mana of any colour", right? Like BoP can't tap for it, I'm guessing?
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Dec 12, 2015 09:13
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Pretend colorless is purple mana and it's incredibly easy to understand
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Dec 12, 2015 09:36
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Cynic Jester posted:They'll print a new BoP that taps for "mana not of any colour". http://magiccards.info/cs/en/105.html
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Dec 12, 2015 12:50
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Not a bird, disappointment tangible.
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Dec 12, 2015 13:15
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4UU Sorcery Surge 3UU (You may cast this spell for its surge cost if you or a teammate has cast another spell this turn) Return all nonland permanents to their owners' hands. If Crush of Tentacles's surge cost was paid, put an 8/8 blue Octopus creature token onto the battlefield. I like the Surge thing. Hopefully we'll get something cool and pushed for Eternal, and not just "you get a one mana discount woo" Serperoth fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Dec 12, 2015 |
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Dec 12, 2015 13:41
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Oh, hi non-land upheaval with upside.
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Dec 12, 2015 13:42
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In image
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Dec 12, 2015 14:04
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Surge seems like a really cool mechanic and I hope at least one eternal playable card comes out of it.
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Dec 12, 2015 14:19
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That's a limited game ender for sure.
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Dec 12, 2015 14:19
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Coca-Cola you've done it again,
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Dec 12, 2015 14:25
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 Narset live on cam! EDIT: And she's gone, got her emblem out. Serperoth fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Dec 12, 2015 |
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Dec 12, 2015 14:28
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Nehru the Damaja posted:I'm pretty sure this thread is beating the hell out of a position few, if any of us, actually hold. The "baggage" is actually a good thing, though.
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Dec 12, 2015 14:44
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Dr. Stab posted:The "baggage" is actually a good thing, though. What "baggage" is there? The clarification that Sol Ring makes colourless, and not mana of any colour?
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Serperoth posted:What "baggage" is there? The clarification that Sol Ring makes colourless, and not mana of any colour? That's what I assumed was meant.
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I had completely forgotten that OTG was going to have a teammate theme. Surge seems cool!
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Dec 12, 2015 15:07
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Rinkles posted:In image at first i thought this was actually upheaveal with upside but i guess putting a giant creature on an empty board is a little bit much
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Dec 12, 2015 15:20
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also, surge is a hella cool mechanic
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Dec 12, 2015 15:22
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I was wondering how they were going to push two-headed-giant while having it all still play fine for draft and Surge seems like a cool way to do it.
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Greece on cam!  Dr. Stab posted:That's what I assumed was meant. It isn't really baggage though, it's clarification. Baggage was the fact that "produces colourless" and "costs generic" were the same symbol. Unless I'm missing something.
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Dec 12, 2015 15:41
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Serperoth posted:Greece on cam! Yes I know.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Two odd possible interactions I thought of - Urborg doesn't remove any ability from any cards, basic or nonbasic, typed or untyped. Blood moon does it to nonbasics by turning them into Mountains, but Urborg says "in addition to its other types", which means they gain the ability to tap for {B} but don't lose anything. Also important to note, wastes have no type, so you can't give cards the ability to tap for {C} by giving them some Waste type. Wastes tap for {C} the same way Fertile Thicket taps for {G}.
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