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Kodo
Jul 20, 2003

THIS IS HOW YOUR CANDIDATE EATS CINNAMON ROLLS, KODO
Re: beats and their descriptions -> https://youtu.be/PTuFEikcbmM

It's been my experience that though people speak generally about grooves and beats, a non-drummer will try to convey a feeling or expression and it can be something specific, and that can be influenced by something as simple as how you visually look when you play a fill or groove.

Anyway, I like how Yogi in this video describes beats as being 'vertical' and 'horizontal', as that is a decent descriptor of what's going on. You can't express it, it just feels good/right. I think it does help to be able to catalog more 'feelings'/grooves, but that just comes with time and experience and a lot of listening. That way you aren't caught playing gigantic rock fills during a small combo restaurant gig.

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Octatonic
Sep 7, 2010

So I'm currently in the process of getting an electronic kit, because I see myself in apartments for the near future, but I've come to realize I know gently caress all about kick pedals, and especially how they react to trigger pads. I can't imagine that beater head types are gonna matter a whole lot, nor would I need a lot of "power" from something like a double chain drive. Does anyone have any feedback or recommendations? Yamaha, Roland, and Alesis's advertising copy all say more or less that you can use whatever kick pedals you're already used to, but is that really true?

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!

Octatonic posted:

So I'm currently in the process of getting an electronic kit, because I see myself in apartments for the near future, but I've come to realize I know gently caress all about kick pedals, and especially how they react to trigger pads. I can't imagine that beater head types are gonna matter a whole lot, nor would I need a lot of "power" from something like a double chain drive. Does anyone have any feedback or recommendations? Yamaha, Roland, and Alesis's advertising copy all say more or less that you can use whatever kick pedals you're already used to, but is that really true?

Yes. However you may be limited to a single bass pedal depending on what model you go with. I have a Pearl ePro kit which has a full size bass drum but I still use my DW 5000 double pedal because its just what I'm used to.

Octatonic
Sep 7, 2010

Bonzo posted:

Yes. However you may be limited to a single bass pedal depending on what model you go with. I have a Pearl ePro kit which has a full size bass drum but I still use my DW 5000 double pedal because its just what I'm used to.

Thanks a bunch!

Duke Chin
Jan 11, 2002

Roger That:
MILK CRATES INBOUND

:siren::siren::siren::siren:
- FUCK THE HABS -
Quick note: if your kick trigger has a mesh head (like roland TD-20 et al) make sure you use the plastic/rubber side of the beater and not the felt side. :science:

Gym Leader Barack
Oct 31, 2005

Grimey Drawer

Duke Chin posted:

Quick note: if your kick trigger has a mesh head (like roland TD-20 et al) make sure you use the plastic/rubber side of the beater and not the felt side. :science:

This also applies to rubber heads, I ate through the cover of my KD-8 after a year or so of using a felt beater.

The KD-8 was OK with double-kick (pearl eliminators) but I had to muck with the sensitivity a bit as the sensor is in the middle and with two beaters they strike on either side. The KD-9 I replaced it with is much better and is designed to handle two kick pedals.

iwannabebobdylan
Jun 10, 2004
Hey! I run a drum workshop and we just released a line of wooden drumheads. Thought some of you might be into it! They are removable, just like a normal head, but they cut the overtones down and give a really satisfying bongo-pop on the snare. Batter or reso, tom/snare/bass, tons of options.



Demo Vid:
https://youtu.be/ASIf9jfCCaE

indexdrums.com

meatcookie
Jun 2, 2007

iwannabebobdylan posted:

Hey! I run a drum workshop and we just released a line of wooden drumheads. Thought some of you might be into it! They are removable, just like a normal head, but they cut the overtones down and give a really satisfying bongo-pop on the snare. Batter or reso, tom/snare/bass, tons of options.



Demo Vid:
https://youtu.be/ASIf9jfCCaE

indexdrums.com

Ooooooh, want that. Badly.

Duo
Aug 4, 2002
About a year ago I picked up an Alesis DM10 edrum kit to learn drumming. I've mostly been a guitar player for about 14 years now but for the longest time I've had an interest in learning some basic drums, and just wanting to play around on a kit in general. I've been having a blast with the kit even though its finicky with crosstalk. Lately I've been feeling like I'm getting to the point where I may be able to actually jam with people, or at least record for myself. I've started to kind of record sequences and play them back through my guitar pedal while I jam along, which feels really awesome when I get it down.

A question I have is, in your experience is it easier to control for softer or harder playing when live playing or recording on an actual acoustic set? Like mix or PA wise. I feel like I tend to play on the softer side compared to what I see many drummers do (I'm mostly into playing rock, metal, or bluesy stuff). I know I obviously have to practice with an acoustic set before I go in to record something or play live on one, but I'm just trying to prepare as much mentally beforehand. I've only played briefly on acoustic sets in stores or at a friend but I still try to think acoustic when I'm playing my edrum kit. For instance I try to hit my cymbals in an arcing type of motion instead of straight on the edge or through and I'm trying to pay attention to if I'm hitting with the tip or edge of the stick even though it doesn't make a difference audibly with my kit. I know it's a whole different world on a real set but I was just looking for some tips for if I ever decided to go into a studio to record some simple stuff for myself or jam live if I knew someone who needed a drummer.

Gym Leader Barack
Oct 31, 2005

Grimey Drawer

Duo posted:

About a year ago I picked up an Alesis DM10 edrum kit to learn drumming. I've mostly been a guitar player for about 14 years now but for the longest time I've had an interest in learning some basic drums, and just wanting to play around on a kit in general. I've been having a blast with the kit even though its finicky with crosstalk. Lately I've been feeling like I'm getting to the point where I may be able to actually jam with people, or at least record for myself. I've started to kind of record sequences and play them back through my guitar pedal while I jam along, which feels really awesome when I get it down.

A question I have is, in your experience is it easier to control for softer or harder playing when live playing or recording on an actual acoustic set? Like mix or PA wise. I feel like I tend to play on the softer side compared to what I see many drummers do (I'm mostly into playing rock, metal, or bluesy stuff). I know I obviously have to practice with an acoustic set before I go in to record something or play live on one, but I'm just trying to prepare as much mentally beforehand. I've only played briefly on acoustic sets in stores or at a friend but I still try to think acoustic when I'm playing my edrum kit. For instance I try to hit my cymbals in an arcing type of motion instead of straight on the edge or through and I'm trying to pay attention to if I'm hitting with the tip or edge of the stick even though it doesn't make a difference audibly with my kit. I know it's a whole different world on a real set but I was just looking for some tips for if I ever decided to go into a studio to record some simple stuff for myself or jam live if I knew someone who needed a drummer.


I don't think there's any mental preparation you can really do, it's all about the fine motor control when it comes to dynamics on an acoustic kit. If noise isn't a concern you could get a cheap snare drum (and a set of muffs) and just bash it around, get your hands used to the snap of a drum skin and how the sticks react rebounding off the surface. I wouldn't adopt any methods like the arcing cymbal hit, my cymbal technique remains the same on my roland TD-9 as it does on any acoustic kit I have tried, you might end up learning bad habits that you need to unlearn when on a real kit.

Try and turn your sensitivity on the kit down a fair way, this should help with crosstalk and also force you hit a lot harder for the hard hits, softer for the soft hits etc to mimic the response of a real kit. My friend plays acoustic drums primarily and when he sits at my kit he softens his whole technique and just taps everything, despite my protests to just beat the poo poo out of it as that is literally what an e-kit is designed to have done to it. There will always be a few technique adjustments needed when moving between acoustic and digital (usually movement based as acoustic kits often have larger spacing between drums) but by and large they should be treated as the same instrument and played as such.

If you have any music shops that give drum lessons you should check to see if you can give them a few bucks to use one of their student kits for a while every now and then, or even sign up for lessons and you might get that privilege included in the price (my lessons gave me 30 mins free time on an unused kit).

I Might Be Adam
Jun 12, 2007

Skip the Waves, Syncopate
Forwards Backwards

I use a nice Roland V-drum set at my church gigs and I always feel like I'm cheating because those pads have like the perfect response when striking and it's also probably because the sounds are triggered. I much prefer my acoustic kit but it doesn't mean I don't do monster fills all over those v-drums because of how easy and effortless it is.

Turkman
Oct 25, 2015

iwannabebobdylan posted:

Hey! I run a drum workshop and we just released a line of wooden drumheads. Thought some of you might be into it! They are removable, just like a normal head, but they cut the overtones down and give a really satisfying bongo-pop on the snare. Batter or reso, tom/snare/bass, tons of options.



Demo Vid:
https://youtu.be/ASIf9jfCCaE

indexdrums.com

Seems really cool and has a nice sound, but wouldn't there be an issue with outdoor gigs, how does this wood react to long direct exposure to sunlight?

I'm open to ideas but I'm pretty skeptical.

Turkman fucked around with this message at 05:28 on Oct 29, 2015

praxis
Aug 1, 2003

When traveling to gigs do you guys break your kit down into cases or do you break it down just enough to get it to the show? I have cases but we also have an enclosed trailer and GODDAMN do I get tired of breakdown and setup. We're a local-only band so it's not like we spend hours on the road.

Duke Chin
Jan 11, 2002

Roger That:
MILK CRATES INBOUND

:siren::siren::siren::siren:
- FUCK THE HABS -
Welcome to the worst part of the gigging drummer.


Cases. Always cases. Unless it's a junker kit or whatever.. Having handles on the bags/cases and a bag/case with wheels for all the hardware is the best.

Kodo
Jul 20, 2003

THIS IS HOW YOUR CANDIDATE EATS CINNAMON ROLLS, KODO
:dealwithit:

Also take care to not get it stolen: http://www.thedrummersjournal.com/blog/interview-with-an-instrument-thief

KingSlime
Mar 20, 2007
Wake up with the Kin-OH GOD WHAT IS THAT?!
In regards to big kit vs small kit drum sets:

I'm completely generalizing here I think but I find that more experienced and versatile drummers tend to stick to simpler set ups for several reasons. First, there's the gigging aspect of it. Set up and tear down are loving awful and I will do anything in my power to make the process less painful. Secondly, you really can get all sorts of sounds from a barebones kit as you begin to get better at dynamics and improvisation. Having too much to play can be distracting to beginner players, and a simple kit forces you to get creative and really become attuned to the tones that you can get out of any drum.

That's not to say that there aren't any amazing drummers who favor massive rigs and this certainly isn't aimed at those of you in this thread showing off your gorgeous set ups. Personally though, I'm instantly skeptical of any drummer who rocks significantly more pieces than standard kits and can't take the time to practice fundamental rudiments, or are even just a little sloppy with their timing/fills and transitions between beats. Also (in my humblest of opinions) you should be able to work out and play any unfamiliar beats/songs nearly instantly before you go off and amass a rig that has six cymbals, eight toms, two snares, etc. Stop buying poo poo and go practice, drat it!

Basically, I subscribe to the idea that you should be able to showcase your flashiest and coolest moves with just a snare, kick, and hi-hat (the sheer variety of sounds and tones that you can coax out of these three is much more diverse than early drummers-in-training often realize). I'm a bit of an elitist sometimes, though and I read a lot of advice given by "old-school" drummers when I first started out.

KingSlime fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Nov 6, 2015

iwannabebobdylan
Jun 10, 2004

Uekyq posted:

Seems really cool and has a nice sound, but wouldn't there be an issue with outdoor gigs, how does this wood react to long direct exposure to sunlight?

I'm open to ideas but I'm pretty skeptical.

It's sealed, and It's the same material lots of companies are using for cajons, except when you mess one of these up, it's a $30 replacement instead of buying a new drum completely. Also, how often is your drumkit getting rained on?

Turkman
Oct 25, 2015

iwannabebobdylan posted:

It's sealed, and It's the same material lots of companies are using for cajons, except when you mess one of these up, it's a $30 replacement instead of buying a new drum completely. Also, how often is your drumkit getting rained on?

Not too often, but I've been at gigs where it rains sideways and so the insta-cover things do nothing to protect your kit.
I noticed heads that can tune onto a normal snare drum too. Is that the same situation? I'm into orchestral drumming and considering a wooden heads for that but I'm not certain about the response.

precedence
Jun 28, 2010

KingSlime posted:

Basically, I subscribe to the idea that you should be able to showcase your flashiest and coolest moves with just a snare, kick, and hi-hat (the sheer variety of sounds and tones that you can coax out of these three is much more diverse than early drummers-in-training often realize). I'm a bit of an elitist sometimes, though and I read a lot of advice given by "old-school" drummers when I first started out.

This.

praxis
Aug 1, 2003

I downsized my kit last year and really prefer having fewer toms and cymbals. But I'm also really anal about playing cover music and want my part to sound as close to the studio version as possible. So my stage kit is larger than I really like because of some of the songs we play.

stupid puma
Apr 25, 2005

Super stripped down kit is the way to go. Some of the best drumming I've seen has been on a 4 piece kit with a ride, crash and hi hats. Cases for everything and put permanent marker marks on all your hardware so you know exactly where to set it.

A little anecdote- Not sure what their tour ride was but when I saw Cloud Nothing's last year I saw the drummer pack up and he didn't have reso heads on anything and was able to pack his drums all inside each other like Russian nesting dolls. I don't think he even had a crash. That setup probably took up like 3x3 altogether when broken down. He's a really decent drummer too.

timp
Sep 19, 2007

Everything is in my control
Lipstick Apathy

stupid puma posted:

Super stripped down kit is the way to go. Some of the best drumming I've seen has been on a 4 piece kit with a ride, crash and hi hats. Cases for everything and put permanent marker marks on all your hardware so you know exactly where to set it.

A little anecdote- Not sure what their tour ride was but when I saw Cloud Nothing's last year I saw the drummer pack up and he didn't have reso heads on anything and was able to pack his drums all inside each other like Russian nesting dolls. I don't think he even had a crash. That setup probably took up like 3x3 altogether when broken down. He's a really decent drummer too.

Usually concert toms only have one head, and Russian Dolling them is the preferred method of transportation, although admittedly it's not great for the heads, especially if the whole thing ends up upside-down which of course it does because how else would you carry it?

JesusDoesVegas
Jul 8, 2005

The Funk Ambassador
Lipstick Apathy
So it's been a while since I've posted in this thread. Some of you may remember my suitcase kit I posted back in July... Well I've decided to take it to the next level.

This:


Is now this:


I had the timbale to act as a hi tom, but it still didn't play like a full kit. I was limited on my fills and beats without having two toms. So I decided to add an 8" and 10" tom to the equation. The whole package still fits inside the suitcase, although its much heavier now (hence the addition of a shoulder strap). Those smaller toms really sing. They've got great tone and real nice sustain. It really fits the higher register sound of the rest of the kit, and it all contrasts my dry low ride really nicely.

Here's some pics of the build if anyone is interested. This was my first drum build, and it came with quite a few challenges. If anyone ever wants to tackle drum building, I'd recommend a good drill press, double checking the size of the parts you need BEFORE buying (you don't realize how much hardware goes into these things until you're adding it all to a cart), and giving your wood finish PLENTY of time to dry before applying additional coats or finishes.

I started off with these bad boys. Got them from drummaker.net. Not a bad supplier for sure, but his web storefront makes his whole operation really sketchy with its bugs. Still, Andy, the owner was totally cool and he even rushed my order when he found out that I am Navy. Rad guy. The snare shell is my Pearl M-80. I pulled the wrap off of it and gave it the same treatment as the two blank shells, so that they would match. You can definitely tell the difference in wood quality. I suspected the wood would be a little ugly under the wrap though, so it's not a big deal.



First thing's first... lots and lots of sanding.



I sanded them all down starting through three increasingly fine grains of sandpaper, until they were glass smooth to the touch (sorry, totally forget the sanding regiment I used.) The wood looked really nice when it was done.



Next came the dye. I went with a tobacco brown color, to match the Gretsch snare I'm using as a bass drum. I applied three coats over two days.






Next I added a few coats of boiled linseed oil, and finally some spray-on clear coat lacquer in a flat finish. I wont bore you with these photos, but if you're interested, check the imgur gallery ( http://imgur.com/a/zB3Wb ). It's all out of order because I uploaded from my phone, but there's lots of drum building porn there.

After letting the finish... finish, I set out to drill the hardware. This was where it all got scary. Drilling holes is permanent. I started by placing one of the hoops over the shell and roughly placing masking tape in line with all of the lugholes on the hoop. Then I went back with a small square and ever so carefully drew a line on the tape at the center of each lug hole. Lastly I put marks on that line where the top and bottom hole would be placed. I measured those holes and the straightness of my lines about a hundred times, then I broke out the drill.





A drill press would have been awesome here, since I was really scared of drilling the holes at an angle, causing the lugs to sit in the shell funny. I started with a small bit to make pilot holes before moving to my final size bit. This made sure the bit didn't slip, causing poorly aligned lugs.

After drilling all the holes I had to mount the hardware... You'll notice I had to stagger the hardware, as the toms were too shallow. I think it looks pretty rad. The legs mounts were a little scary though... I forgot to measure for the handle, so it was by a stroke of luck that they actually fit.



Since these beauties are fitting inside the suitcase they're bound to take a beating if I don't protect them somehow, so I brought my happy rear end to the fabric store and went to work making some cases for them. They only protect the shell, but that isn't an issue with how the toms sit inside the case. I also made a special rig for my snare. As you may recall, I keep an old t-shirt duct taped around the snare because its so god drat loud. I sewed a few clips to the case so that I can use the case to keep a piece of t-shirt fabric on the head at all times, without looking like a bag of rear end. I also sewed a hole in the case so I can access the throw-off.







I'm really happy with the way this build has worked out. The addition of the low tom, and it's two legs give the thing some much needed stability. It used to be prone to tipping toward me as I played, since it was really front heavy, and the bass drum foot (i.e. welded gate hinge) took way more stress as a result than I was comfortable with. Now it's totally sturdy.

As far as future modifications, I'm nearly done. I may get a lighter hat stand, and try to mount the crash to the case somehow. I also am thinking of using the scrap fabric from my cases to make a rug that doubles as a wrap for all the stands, to keep them tidy, and keep the thing from sliding away when I play on the ship, which is mostly excessively waxed tile.

The small size really disappears after you start playing. It's got a nice sound, and all the pieces sit at a perfect playing position (for me anyway). Here's some video, if the pictures weren't drum porn enough for you (ya, it's instagram video, sorry bout that).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or6WbEHUBgc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X7ylB47ZXc

I reluctantly post a video of myself playing... dont judge. The sound quality from my phone is garbage, but you get the idea. It sounds like a drum set. Which is the intended effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYh011H1pz4

edit - I should note, the throne which is pictured does not fit in the case. It usually stays at home.

JesusDoesVegas fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Dec 9, 2015

Duke Chin
Jan 11, 2002

Roger That:
MILK CRATES INBOUND

:siren::siren::siren::siren:
- FUCK THE HABS -
Dude. :golfclap: You did a really good loving job with that.




I want to play it real bad. :v:

Jazz Marimba
Jan 4, 2012

A while back I was browsing youtube or at a local drum store and I saw a video on some brushes that I think we're a signature artist pair, and the thing about them was that they had a second set of wires underneath the usual ones to get a fuller sound. Does anyone know what I'm talking about?

johnny sack
Jan 30, 2004

One day, this team will play to their expectations...

Just not this year..

I want to drum. I have wanted to drum for years. The problem is that I don't have a space in my house for a real drum kit.

I have some overall questions about getting started.

1) If I was to take drum lessons once or twice a week, and have something like a practice pad here, is that enough to ever get 'good' at drumming? Are lessons worth it?

2) Are electronic sets quiet enough not to bother others in my house? They would be used in the basement.
2a) Are they enough like real drums to be 'worth it'?

3) I read through the OP and have the 2-sided practice pad, some sticks, and a couple of the books in my Amazon cart, ready to go. However, as I previewed the first few pages of Stick Control on Amazon, I realized I have no idea how to read the notes on the pages. Where do I even begin to learn how to read them?

johnny sack fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Dec 13, 2015

I Might Be Adam
Jun 12, 2007

Skip the Waves, Syncopate
Forwards Backwards

This is going to sound really dumb but if you're into video games and want to see if drums are something you'd get into, try Rock Band. Maybe find a used set to mess around with. Otherwise, you're stuck with a practice pad and honestly, playing a practice pad is really best for studying stick control and rudiments. I mean, you're not going to have much fun with just the practice pad. I was in percussion in Jr High band and it was fun but all I wanted to do was play the kit. Just having a kit is enough to mess around with and explore. If noise is an issue, electronic is really the only way to go and have it be enjoyable but you're going to spend a lot of money for a decent electronic set-up, and then you're stuck with expensive electronic drums that are seriously no fun to play live with.

I never took drum lessons outside of jr high until I wanted to study Jazz. If you're willing to shell out for a kit (acoustic/electric), you may find yourself entertained enough with teaching yourself and then start lessons later if you feel you need them.

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!
I've played for almost 30 years.

Lessons are worth it if you find a good teacher. Try to stay away from the "rock school" type lessons where they teach for 4 to 6 weeks and send you on your way.

Before you even touch a drum set you should be taught the proper way to hold the stick, basic rudiments, and how to read music. Reading music for drums is a bit easier because you don't need to know if the note is an A D or F#, you just need to know if it's a quarter note, eighth note, etc. There are plenty of sites that should teach you this. If you plan on learning Jazz drumming knowing how to read music is pretty much a requirement if you expect to play with other musicians.

Electronic drums are quieter than real drums obviously but they are not silent. My advice is to try a few at a music store and see how the noise level is for you. If you're in the basement and someone is asleep on the 2nd floor I'd be surprised if they hear anything.

The Rolland kits are preferred but the really good ones can get expensive. You're best bet is to try and find a set on Craigslist because it will save you money.

Are they just like playing a real set? No. I had a hell of a time trying to get used to them and gave up. The feel is a little different and the position of the pads was different.

I ended up getting a Pearl ePro kit because it's kind of a hybrid set; real drums shells with electronic heads.

JesusDoesVegas
Jul 8, 2005

The Funk Ambassador
Lipstick Apathy
Unlike piano or guitar, drums aren't really great as a solo instrument... Sure you can (and should) practice by yourself, and it can most definitely be rewarding, but drums are best when you've got some bros playing melodies with your beats.

If you've got a bro with a free basement who's new at guitar, or has played for a while, but doesn't mind sticking with a new drummer as they grow, try to start a band or just jam with them, and leave your kit there. You need to develop a real lust for the instrument to stick with it, and its hard to do that if you don't ever play out loud with other musicians. Practice pad kits make this impossible.

If you're going the electronic route, they're plenty quiet, but not silent. As mentioned, Roland makes the best kits. Yamaha made a decent one a few years back as well. They're expensive and don't feel like the real thing. The response feels off, you'll get mis-read hits, and the sound has a lag that, while very small, is still noticeable. That said, would bet that starting on an electronic kit would be easier than switching to one after having played acoustic for years.

Teachers are good, especially in those early, formative years. It's easy to teach yourself bad habits if nobody is around to tell you you're doing them. If you stick with it, it takes a long time and considerable effort to break those bad habits. Teachers can also provide direction. Starting a new instrument is hard, and its easy to either try songs you think are rad, but are just too hard for where you are and then get discouraged, or just stick to the boring poo poo that's too easy and never grow. A teacher can keep pushing you at a pace that will keep you challenged, but rewarded.

Teachers don't always have to be people you pay money to. Get a bunch of musicians together with a case of beers and jam. If there are other drummers, watch them. See what they do that you think is cool and study how they do it. Or go to shows. I used to go watch the same drummer every Wednesday night play in this killer jazz trio, then rip him off completely at band practice on Saturday. I told him that one night after years of watching him, and he told me he used to do the same thing... Then he told me I owed him a beer.

Good luck. Stick with it. Just like everyone else, you'll suck until you suck a little less, but if you're having fun it doesn't matter. Make some beautiful noise.

Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Grimey Drawer
I played Rock Band for years before finally sacking up and buying an electronic kit / paying for lessons. If you think you want to play drums but never actually have before, RB is a decent way to dip your toes in and make sure it's something that you really enjoy and would want to stick with, VS buying a bunch of stuff and deciding 6 months later that it's not your thing after all. I've actually started transcribing a few of my favorite songs from the game over to proper sheet music and while the game is necessarily more simple than playing on a real kit they're decently accurate for beginners.

As others said step 1 is learning how to hold and use drum sticks, it sounds weird but if you just grab them and go to town you can injure your hands with improper repetitive movement/stress. Definitely recommend getting either a drummer buddy or paying for at least a few weeks of lessons so they can teach you proper form and correct you if need be.

And not to toot my own horn (hit my own snare?) but as I've been learning I try to record myself playing easy songs and putting them on youtube along with the sheet music. I'm basically still a beginner myself, but being able to read the sheet music while watching someone play through it would help you get started reading drum notes as well.

TND amateur drum night

henpod
Mar 7, 2008

Sir, we have located the Bioweapon.
College Slice
So I was watching some Youtube poo poo and a preroll was advertising Aerodrums.

I'm actually quite impressed, but was wondering if you guys knew anything about them? I'm a novice drummer with an electric kit, but I had to leave that behind because I moved and my new place can't accomodate them. Reviews generally seem to be positive, but have you guys tried or heard about them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAprpyGdgYk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls_w1AHnWcU

Not shilling at all, but kind of tempted, they aren't too expensive.

henpod fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Dec 17, 2015

timp
Sep 19, 2007

Everything is in my control
Lipstick Apathy

JesusDoesVegas posted:

So it's been a while since I've posted in this thread. Some of you may remember my suitcase kit I posted back in July... Well I've decided to take it to the next level.

This:


Is now this:


I had the timbale to act as a hi tom, but it still didn't play like a full kit. I was limited on my fills and beats without having two toms. So I decided to add an 8" and 10" tom to the equation. The whole package still fits inside the suitcase, although its much heavier now (hence the addition of a shoulder strap). Those smaller toms really sing. They've got great tone and real nice sustain. It really fits the higher register sound of the rest of the kit, and it all contrasts my dry low ride really nicely.

Here's some pics of the build if anyone is interested. This was my first drum build, and it came with quite a few challenges. If anyone ever wants to tackle drum building, I'd recommend a good drill press, double checking the size of the parts you need BEFORE buying (you don't realize how much hardware goes into these things until you're adding it all to a cart), and giving your wood finish PLENTY of time to dry before applying additional coats or finishes.

I started off with these bad boys. Got them from drummaker.net. Not a bad supplier for sure, but his web storefront makes his whole operation really sketchy with its bugs. Still, Andy, the owner was totally cool and he even rushed my order when he found out that I am Navy. Rad guy. The snare shell is my Pearl M-80. I pulled the wrap off of it and gave it the same treatment as the two blank shells, so that they would match. You can definitely tell the difference in wood quality. I suspected the wood would be a little ugly under the wrap though, so it's not a big deal.



First thing's first... lots and lots of sanding.



I sanded them all down starting through three increasingly fine grains of sandpaper, until they were glass smooth to the touch (sorry, totally forget the sanding regiment I used.) The wood looked really nice when it was done.



Next came the dye. I went with a tobacco brown color, to match the Gretsch snare I'm using as a bass drum. I applied three coats over two days.






Next I added a few coats of boiled linseed oil, and finally some spray-on clear coat lacquer in a flat finish. I wont bore you with these photos, but if you're interested, check the imgur gallery ( http://imgur.com/a/zB3Wb ). It's all out of order because I uploaded from my phone, but there's lots of drum building porn there.

After letting the finish... finish, I set out to drill the hardware. This was where it all got scary. Drilling holes is permanent. I started by placing one of the hoops over the shell and roughly placing masking tape in line with all of the lugholes on the hoop. Then I went back with a small square and ever so carefully drew a line on the tape at the center of each lug hole. Lastly I put marks on that line where the top and bottom hole would be placed. I measured those holes and the straightness of my lines about a hundred times, then I broke out the drill.





A drill press would have been awesome here, since I was really scared of drilling the holes at an angle, causing the lugs to sit in the shell funny. I started with a small bit to make pilot holes before moving to my final size bit. This made sure the bit didn't slip, causing poorly aligned lugs.

After drilling all the holes I had to mount the hardware... You'll notice I had to stagger the hardware, as the toms were too shallow. I think it looks pretty rad. The legs mounts were a little scary though... I forgot to measure for the handle, so it was by a stroke of luck that they actually fit.



Since these beauties are fitting inside the suitcase they're bound to take a beating if I don't protect them somehow, so I brought my happy rear end to the fabric store and went to work making some cases for them. They only protect the shell, but that isn't an issue with how the toms sit inside the case. I also made a special rig for my snare. As you may recall, I keep an old t-shirt duct taped around the snare because its so god drat loud. I sewed a few clips to the case so that I can use the case to keep a piece of t-shirt fabric on the head at all times, without looking like a bag of rear end. I also sewed a hole in the case so I can access the throw-off.







I'm really happy with the way this build has worked out. The addition of the low tom, and it's two legs give the thing some much needed stability. It used to be prone to tipping toward me as I played, since it was really front heavy, and the bass drum foot (i.e. welded gate hinge) took way more stress as a result than I was comfortable with. Now it's totally sturdy.

As far as future modifications, I'm nearly done. I may get a lighter hat stand, and try to mount the crash to the case somehow. I also am thinking of using the scrap fabric from my cases to make a rug that doubles as a wrap for all the stands, to keep them tidy, and keep the thing from sliding away when I play on the ship, which is mostly excessively waxed tile.

The small size really disappears after you start playing. It's got a nice sound, and all the pieces sit at a perfect playing position (for me anyway). Here's some video, if the pictures weren't drum porn enough for you (ya, it's instagram video, sorry bout that).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Or6WbEHUBgc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X7ylB47ZXc

I reluctantly post a video of myself playing... dont judge. The sound quality from my phone is garbage, but you get the idea. It sounds like a drum set. Which is the intended effect.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYh011H1pz4

edit - I should note, the throne which is pictured does not fit in the case. It usually stays at home.

This may be a ridiculous question, but do you have any interest whatsoever in making more of these and selling them, or working with somebody to produce these on a larger scale? Maybe I missed it in a previous post, but all things told how much did this cost you? I mean, the appeal of something like this has to be widespread enough to make it worth your while I'd imagine. I mean hell, I want this real bad, and I'm quite positive I know at least 5 people who would buy this for 3-4 hundred...

Gym Leader Barack
Oct 31, 2005

Grimey Drawer

henpod posted:

So I was watching some Youtube poo poo and a preroll was advertising Aerodrums.

I'm actually quite impressed, but was wondering if you guys knew anything about them? I'm a novice drummer with an electric kit, but I had to leave that behind because I moved and my new place can't accomodate them. Reviews generally seem to be positive, but have you guys tried or heard about them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAprpyGdgYk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls_w1AHnWcU

Not shilling at all, but kind of tempted, they aren't too expensive.

There was some rock band type game that came out a few years back with drums like this that were generally regarded as terrible due to lack of physical response. This seems more fully featured but you still don't connect the sticks to anything while playing so half of your technique is immediately useless (quick doubles would be hell on the wrist without bounce back) and you won't be able to do any serious development on your playing without that rebound being present. At best you can maybe maintain your timing and some limb independence but it's closer to a novelty than an expressive instrument. Personally I'd prefer a nice multi surface practice pad if I couldn't have a kit at home, I wouldn't even consider areodrums as an option.

JesusDoesVegas
Jul 8, 2005

The Funk Ambassador
Lipstick Apathy

timp posted:

This may be a ridiculous question, but do you have any interest whatsoever in making more of these and selling them, or working with somebody to produce these on a larger scale? Maybe I missed it in a previous post, but all things told how much did this cost you? I mean, the appeal of something like this has to be widespread enough to make it worth your while I'd imagine. I mean hell, I want this real bad, and I'm quite positive I know at least 5 people who would buy this for 3-4 hundred...

I'm not really in a position to pursue that, but in the future its an idea I'd consider. The problem would be cost... This one cost me WAY too much. I was buying from small suppliers who charged boutique prices. In total I'd guess I paid $600 for the whole thing excluding cymbals obviously.

Id have to find a better supplier and ensure a bit of economy of scale in my favor to make it work.

That said, if you want one, go do it. None of this was particularly hard to make. I did the figuring and failing for you. Just copy my design and improve on it, like I did with the design I started with.

Weird BIAS
Jul 5, 2007

so... guess that's it, huh? just... don't say i didn't warn you.
UGGGGH been looking at MalletKat products and they have a pan one and I just don't want to have any money anymore. One day, ONE DAY.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXg49EaqNH8

Kodo
Jul 20, 2003

THIS IS HOW YOUR CANDIDATE EATS CINNAMON ROLLS, KODO

JesusDoesVegas posted:

I used to go watch the same drummer every Wednesday night play in this killer jazz trio, then rip him off completely at band practice on Saturday.

I basically did this from age 19-22. Probably the most important drum instruction I had ever received.

recently my newest favoritest drummer, Scott Pellegrom. How he manages to connect all these sounds I'll never know: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fTI_BCR3Pg

There's way more little ideas on his YT page, I don't know why all the recordings of his band are so poo poo, though.

Kodo fucked around with this message at 09:29 on Dec 31, 2015

abelwingnut
Dec 23, 2002


who has the best prices on drumsticks? specifically, promark 7as and hot rod/roods?

not really beholden to promark really. willing to try out whatever. nylon or wood. actually, does anyone sell variety packs?

abelwingnut fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Jan 23, 2016

precedence
Jun 28, 2010

Abel Wingnut posted:

who has the best prices on drumsticks? specifically, promark 7as and hot rod/roods?

not really beholden to promark really. willing to try out whatever. nylon or wood. actually, does anyone sell variety packs?

I normally do bulk from amazon for sticks. Not sure about hot rods.

Takes No Damage
Nov 20, 2004

The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of black seas of infinity, and it was not meant that we should voyage far.


Grimey Drawer

RandomCheese posted:

There was some rock band type game that came out a few years back with drums like this that were generally regarded as terrible due to lack of physical response. This seems more fully featured but you still don't connect the sticks to anything while playing so half of your technique is immediately useless (quick doubles would be hell on the wrist without bounce back) and you won't be able to do any serious development on your playing without that rebound being present. At best you can maybe maintain your timing and some limb independence but it's closer to a novelty than an expressive instrument. Personally I'd prefer a nice multi surface practice pad if I couldn't have a kit at home, I wouldn't even consider areodrums as an option.

There also doesn't appear to be anything to do with your feet, which is kind of a big deal. Even modern Rock Band still ignores the left foot, learning that coordination was my first big wall when I started playing on a proper kit.

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Evfedu
Feb 28, 2007
Yo, total neophyte here. Played Piano to grade 7 and have rock solid rhythm but I'm curious about drums, and have been pretty much forever. Is there a good "start here" set of pads for a beginner who may end up being terrible and dumping it? Preferably that would allow me to plug into my PC and use some sort of tutorial software? Didn't see anything about this in the op so apologies if this has been discussed before :)

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