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Well, local zoning boards can also be fascist, so they should get along swimmingly. :iamafag:
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I'm pretty sure people on this very forum reported it to the city.
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Dec 5, 2015 23:47
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They replaced the approved bronze statue with what was obviously a cheap and nasty advert for their new product line. Did they have prior consent for that? Did the marine count as an ornamental sculpture while the sprayed-gold lump of poo poo on a box class as an advert? I wouldn't be surprised at all if they fell foul of the planners. It's hilarious if this story is true. Although I would also have expected those ugly Sigmar signs to have come off the walls at the same time. JerryLee posted:Well, local zoning boards can also be fascist, so they should get along swimmingly. :iamafag: Yeah, you do not gently caress about with the planners in the UK. They are only marginally more carefree than the Khmer Rouge. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Dec 6, 2015 |
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Dec 6, 2015 01:05
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It had nothing to do with it being an advert... Their only planning permission was for a muted bronze space marine statue and the golden master race statue was something very different that they hadn't filed planning permission for. The planning office also picked up on the change from the acquilla to the stormfront symbolism and wanted planning permission for that too. When GW eventually filed permission, the forms were filled with very sarcastic comments about how ridiculous they found it. Of course, since it was filed retroactively, none of the local residents had the opportunity to make complaints before the statue was put up, so it wouldn't surprise me if those complaints have now been filed and permission retroactively removed.
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serious gaylord posted:Spending a pound to save a penny is something i've seen at a lot of companies. I like that phrase, thank you. loving lol if they didn't pull a permit. I've never pulled a permit in Britain nor will I ever but I presume it's about 10.00 GBP to file that permit but that the fine is about fifty times that amount, gahaha. Let me figure... about $10 to $65 per air conditioning permit, about $5 for a signage permit... yeah, probably about $750 USD. I searched "Games Workshop" fined statue permit and didn't turn up anything but GW whining about 3D printers.
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Statue application Banner application Edit: there's nothing on the council's site about permission being retroactively removed, so if the statue has been taken down then it's likely GWs decision rather than any planning issues. Daedleh fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Dec 6, 2015 |
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Dec 6, 2015 02:01
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Somewhere under a flight of stairs, an ultramarine smiles.
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Dec 6, 2015 02:42
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I liked the sigmarine statue. It was such a perfect, concise symbol of GW's pigshit obstinacy and batshit insanity.
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Dec 6, 2015 03:32
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 It really is an Ozymandias-level display of hubris. Now if only I could find that remade poem that someone did.
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No Pun Intended posted:I met a traveller from a British land Ahem
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They did send a poet 
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Daeleh's links are broken, here's a working one to the documents page: http://publicaccess.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/online-applications/applicationDetails.do?activeTab=documents&keyVal=NS8M5YLYCB000 From reading these, the council hauled them up as the new statue and building front were clearly advertising something. GW have been told to submit a separate application for consent to use the front of their building as an advertising hoarding. The form itself is entirely standard and not terribly entertaining, although whoever made the application curiously ticked the "I am related to an elected member of the Authority" box and then filled the form out with details of how wonderful a person he is. EDIT: If the statue has been taken down, it's possible someone at GW panicked - as other people have commented, the planning authorities in the UK have no sense of humour whatsoever and have an amusingly inquisitorial style.
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Loxbourne posted:Daeleh's links are broken, here's a working one to the documents page: If you read the documents they are granted retrospective planning permission for it.
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Thanks, friend. It's beautiful. 
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Loxbourne posted:whoever made the application curiously ticked the "I am related to an elected member of the Authority" box and then filled the form out with details of how wonderful a person he is. 
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Pierzak posted:Why do they even have that as a specific box? It exists to declare potential conflict-of-interest issues, like how Antonin Scalia went golfing with a plaintiff or defendant (I forget, sue me) in a Supreme Court case in the US of A but refused to recuse himself because he's a horrid rear end in a top hat.
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Pierzak posted:Why do they even have that as a specific box? It's to avoid conflicts of interest. There have been quite a few planning scandals in the UK where someone who knows someone quietly approved massive developments, or developments on their own land or by their own companies. Vigilance for corruption is precisely why the planning bodies are so uptight here.
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Is anyone here interested in buying Warmaster stuff? Selling large empire and high elves armies for a friend. All NIB.
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Maybe interested in the Empire. Will PM.
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Guys guys guys. The Sigmarine statue and the stupid sigmar aquila are still there, I passed it on the tram today. Sorry to ruin the schadenfreude, i'm sure GW will find something else to gently caress up given time!
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gently caress you that's a lie. There is no tram in Nottingham. Just an endless, ever-meandering set of roadworks and diversions. Last time I was at WW the roadworks had moved about 50 yards from where they were a year prior.
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Gapey Joe Stalin posted:gently caress you that's a lie. There is no tram in Nottingham. Just an endless, ever-meandering set of roadworks and diversions. Last time I was at WW the roadworks had moved about 50 yards from where they were a year prior. gently caress me mate i've bin rumbled Nah the tram is finished now and is Cool and Good mostly because it has made my house more valuable
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A good article: http://unpluggedgames.co.uk/features/blood-dice-and-darkness-how-warhammer-defined-gaming-for-a-generation/Rick Priestly posted:The models started to get big and came with too many parts. The number of pieces and the size of design are key factors in the cost of production, and there was a lack of discipline that meant the models were becoming less profitable. That he said this of Warhammer when they bought the LotR license is especially damning. Looking at newer releases, it's only gotten worse. Also: Rick Priestly posted:It’s [Gate of Antares] a game with a future, which I don’t think 40K is.  This was also in the death thread but people would rather have page-long derails there about bringing guns on airplanes so I try not to read it if I can help it.
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My favorite part of the article, especially now we have Sigmarines:quote:The civil war within the human Imperium would set the scene for 40k’s entire backstory, and the Space Marines would become the most recognisable figures in its fictional universe. But while recent editions of the game have cast them in a heroic light, Priestley argued that Games Workshop had misinterpreted the intent behind the characters.
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Yeah, as someone who liked Ultramarines (due to several years of high school Latin), it always disappointed me that they were, even back in 3rd edition, the Goodest Good Guys. I wish they had bothered to make them a bit more ambiguous (e.g. corrupt senators, bread-and-circus politics, etc). I doubt it'd have kept me buying minis, but I might have bought a few more of the novels.
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Avenging Dentist posted:Yeah, as someone who liked Ultramarines (due to several years of high school Latin), it always disappointed me that they were, even back in 3rd edition, the Goodest Good Guys. I wish they had bothered to make them a bit more ambiguous (e.g. corrupt senators, bread-and-circus politics, etc). I doubt it'd have kept me buying minis, but I might have bought a few more of the novels. If it helps, even a benevolent dictator should be sent to the guillotine
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Nebalebadingdong posted:If it helps, even a benevolent dictator should be sent to the guillotine Exactly, and I always wanted them to address that in the official fluff. Maybe have revolutionaries trying to depose the government of Ultramar or something. It could have provided an interesting contrast to the more brutal dictatorships of the rest of the Imperium, where any revolution would probably go about as well as it did in 1984. That's probably my biggest issue with 40k especially, and WFB to a lesser degree: any reasonably-intelligent person into Warhammer can come up with way cooler fluff than GW does. If GW even got near some of the better ideas I've seen fans make up, their settings would be a hell of a lot more interesting. At least Fantasy Flight manages this occasionally, but it's too little too late for me now. Avenging Dentist fucked around with this message at 03:16 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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Good article. Nice to have handy to point out to my friends who still like to think of space marines as good guys. However, without tangential off topic activity the death thread would be at the bottom of page 10 six days of the week. And Moola's posts are often fun anyway.Nebalebadingdong posted:If it helps, even a benevolent dictator should be sent to the guillotine 
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I love the quote about how they chose where to put stores, and puts the "no market research" in a different lightquote:The company’s expansion plan was unconventional, but effective.
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I'll never understand why people want marines to be good guys. When I was an idiot child, the thing about Warhammer (both kinds) that got me interested is that it was one of the first sci-fi/fantasy settings where everyone was kind of hosed up. It's not like marines-as-heroes is a new development either; they've been on this path as long as I remember. It just used to be possible to ignore the dumb bits. About the only thing that surprised me with AoS is that it was a quantum leap in badness. Prior to its release, I'd have guessed that it would take another decade for Warhammer to degrade to this point. e: Another point I realized. Even the Lizardmen (who smart people all rightly agree are super cool) aren't really real anymore; they're like holograms or something: "Summoned by the incredible power of the Slann Starmasters, they materialise from the energy of the stars themselves..." Avenging Dentist fucked around with this message at 03:39 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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Avenging Dentist posted:Exactly, and I always wanted them to address that in the official fluff. Maybe have revolutionaries trying to depose the government of Ultramar or something. It could have provided an interesting contrast to the more brutal dictatorships of the rest of the Imperium, where any revolution would probably go about as well as it did in 1984. I dont know that much about 40k, as the only books I ever owned were the 5th edition core rule book and the orc codex. But I assume that because everything is from the viewpoint of the Empire, "Chaos" and "Xenos" is just propaganda. Someone rebels and after they're defeated, they're painted as a freak monster that drinks blood, or fucks demons or is Dumb and So Goddamn Crazy™ (orks). This propaganda is the full setting; the "what actually happened" has been completely scrubbed away. I think that's kinda awesome. Ultramarines are just "what if Nazis were nice guys?" That's why I don't worry if GW corporate "gets" it. I think they probably do: Tarkis (not an ultramarine but a "good guy") in Dawn of War 2 says right out "Xenos..." in a menacing manner if you reveal some eldar or orks. But who cares? If GW is sincere, the sincerity just makes it better.
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I played Tau because they actually were the good guys. They had diplomacy and the power of science to back them up and seemed more like the federation in star trek than anything else. Of course, some people interpreted them to be "the relatively 'good' guys" when everything was "supposed" to be grimdark in 40k, but I chalked that up to just trying to be edgy. The lizardmen were great and I really did want to start an army of them. I got some bretonnians as part of a trade and hoped to paint them at some point but lizardmen were always my true love.
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A while ago someone posted an explanation of the Lizardmen that compared them to babysitters where the parents have been out for several thousand years and it really made me want to play them. Fortunately for me WM/H had a more accessible community, I guess.
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Nebalebadingdong posted:I dont know that much about 40k, as the only books I ever owned were the 5th edition core rule book and the orc codex. But I assume that because everything is from the viewpoint of the Empire, "Chaos" and "Xenos" is just propaganda. If you interpret all fluff as written in-universe (which it often is), you end up having to ask a lot of questions about who the intended (in-universe) audience is. Would some random Imperial citizen have access to the full chronology of the Tyrannic War, where the Ultramarines' First Company was wiped out to a man? Probably not. I think the intended audience for most of the fiction is someone in the Inquisition, which makes the absence of any rumors of rebels in Ultramar kind of suspect; the Inquisition would probably be very interested in that knowledge. On the contrary, the fiction about Ultramar paints it as close to idyllic as possible in 40K, with the possible exception of the Tau. That's the real problem with 40K fluff for me: on the surface, there is all this weird propaganda, and even the "good guys" seem like real pieces of poo poo, but when you start reading more (usually early-mid 2000s White Dwarf articles in my case), it starts to fall apart, and a lot of the moral ambiguity is lost. Addendum: I always preferred to interpret the Tau as capable of evil too, since I think it's a bit silly for an entire species to be fundamentally good. I usually read the Tau fluff as propaganda from their expansionist regime, trying to get other planets/species to join up. Avenging Dentist fucked around with this message at 04:03 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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Also aren't the Tau mostly controlled by mind altering pheromones or something?
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Yes. The Tau are an (unknowingly) genetically engineered, puppet race. Who, in turn, knowingly and forcibly enslave and/or sterilise any other life form they come across. They are Animal Farm The 40k Years. I don't get how anyone could read the Tau fluff and not understand that they are every bit as horrendous as the Imperium. It has always been pretty obvious in the text. Lovely Joe Stalin fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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Gapey Joe Stalin posted:I don't get how anyone could read the Tau fluff and not understand that they are every bit as horrendous as the Imperium. It has always been pretty obvious in the text. I wouldn't say always. I'm pretty sure most of that stuff isn't in the original Codex (or the second one, which are the only ones I have). That sounds more like a retcon to make the Tau more evil. Although the "manifest destiny" poo poo has been there since day one.
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Gapey Joe Stalin posted:Yes. The Tau are an (unknowingly) genetically engineered, puppet race. Who, in turn, knowingly and forcibly enslave and/or sterilise any other life form they come across. They are Animal Farm The 40k Years. "every bit as horrendous" is going way far. Sure, when they invite a species to join them they aren't going to take no for an answer, and you will be assimilated into their space-commie union, but unlike lots of places in the Imperium, living on a Tau controlled planet probably guarantees you access to stuff like adequate food and basic sanitation. And it's not like there's many places where there's democratic representative government anyway.
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The argument basically boils down to, would Mao's China be the good guys, if it were in the 40k setting? Because by comparison, subsuming your entire free will to the state and living in conform-or-die subservience still beats the hell out of living in an Imperial hiveworld. That does not make the Tau "the good guys."
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