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Zoran posted:It's entirely possible to like the prequels and believe they are good movies without agreeing with one single thing that SMG posts. It's also entirely possible for people to believe in unicorns and a flat earth too you know.
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Honestly it was the previous film where I became completely disconnected from the original prequels at that point. Anakin gets back from murdering a whole tribe of Sand People, revealing to Padme that he not only killed the men but the women and the children too. She says, "To be angry is to be human." She's rationalizing for him. Padmé's big flaw is that she refuses to see the worst in her friends until it's too late. She did it with Senator Palpatine and she does it again with Anakin. And Anakin in turn desperately wants to be validated, which is why he likes Palpatine and Padmé so much. The difference between the two is that Padmé reassures him of his goodness, whereas Palpatine praises him for his greatness.
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LinkesAuge posted:But he didn't even "learn" that the Sith have the ability to save people from dying, he just heard a myth (are we supposed to think of Anakin as literal child who believes every story he is told?). Palpatine didn't offer him any powers, there was no proof that he could actually have such a power nor does he even know if the Sith still exist or who they are (up until that certain moment). Is this better?
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Zoran posted:She says, "To be angry is to be human." She's rationalizing for him. I would't call Padme's trust of Palpatine a flaw. The whole point of his character is deceit, and he's drat good at it. People only figure out what his deal is when he wants people to actually know.
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Frackie Robinson posted:The prequels were all about telling the fans that they really need to grow up, get laid, and set childish things aside, so I imagine the new ones will be, "no, it's still okay to like Star Wars, you're not a man-child, this is all as cool as you remember" I don't know, the prequels kind of went out of their way to make jedis look cool and make getting laid look like a horrible ordeal that causes the protagonist's downfall. Unless you mean they made people grow up by not liking Star Wars anymore.
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Zoran posted:She says, "To be angry is to be human." She's rationalizing for him. You might say her faith in her friends is her weakness.
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Steve2911 posted:Padme is a racist. Yep. The Searchers is pretty overtly referenced in ANH and AOtC- Luke is Martin, Anakin is Ethan. Padme gets to be Vera Miles' racist-rear end romantic interest
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Here's my big manifesto for how the prequels could have been done better: Anakin should have been cast older in episode 1.
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Jewel Repetition posted:I don't know, the prequels kind of went out of their way to make jedis look cool and make getting laid look like a horrible ordeal that causes the protagonist's downfall. Unless you mean they made people grow up by not liking Star Wars anymore. The prequels go out of their way to much make the Jedi look cool, but also show them to be arrogant and out-of-touch. Anakin doesn't fall because he gets laid, he falls because he has a whole bunch of emotional hangups that nobody in the Order can help him with. Now if the sequels make Luke's new Jedi into a bunch of stoic, celibate monks, we'll know that everyone involved missed the point. Fred Breakfast posted:I would't call Padme's trust of Palpatine a flaw. The whole point of his character is deceit, and he's drat good at it. People only figure out what his deal is when he wants people to actually know. Yeah, but the way Palpatine deceives people is by finding their flaws and exploiting them. Anakin laps up praise from a kindly old grandfather. The Jedi never suspect him because they don't think they could ever be outsmarted. Dooku mistakes his big role for actual importance. Padmé sees him as an experience ally fighting hard for her in the Senate, and she never rethinks that position.
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I don't like sand people. They're coarse, and rough, and irritating, and they get everywhere.
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My favorite ideas for making the prequels better are still Belated Media's. I assume everyone here has seen them.
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# ? Dec 14, 2015 21:19 |
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What if Star Wars Episode II was IN COLOR?
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# ? Dec 14, 2015 21:23 |
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When did the jedi look cool?
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# ? Dec 14, 2015 21:30 |
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drunkill posted:Was just about to post this in the general star wars thread, but Harmy (Despecialized creator) talked with ABC Australia for an article: Harmy is doing gods work
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sassassin posted:When did the jedi look cool? They have awesome laser swords and magic powers. (It's superficial.)
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Doing acrobatic flip jumps all the time while fighting looks cool, sorry prequel haters.
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# ? Dec 14, 2015 21:32 |
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Where's Lando this is bullshit.
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computer parts posted:It's pretty simple logic really. Guy loves his wife, guy gets a vision about his wife dying (and his previous one about his mom dying came true), guy learns that the Sith have the ability to save people from dying, guy finds out his boss is going to kill the only Sith left in the galaxy. Still praying for Episode 7 to have the revelation that Mace Windu survived and lived on whatever Coruscant's surface looks like as a handless hobo for like 60 years. Like one of those WWII vets who got stranded on an island and still wants to kill the Japanese.
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Arglebargle III posted:Here's my big manifesto for how the prequels could have been done better: Anakin should have been cast older in episode 1. I legitimately think that Anakin should have been the same age as Luke. I think a lot of things would flow more easily and frankly make more sense. Edit: Also it wouldn't have ruined some poor bastard's life. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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sassassin posted:When did the jedi look cool? Getting mowed down by a bunch of frail, goofy robots and talking termites
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Zoran posted:The prequels go out of their way to much make the Jedi look cool, but also show them to be arrogant and out-of-touch. Anakin doesn't fall because he gets laid, he falls because he has a whole bunch of emotional hangups that nobody in the Order can help him with. They're really explicit about Anakin's attachment to Padme being against the rules of the jedi order and being the thing that lets the dark side into him. She's the lever Sidious uses. Plus the jedi being arrogant and out of touch is what makes them so cool/appealing. Remember the scene in ANH where some commandante starts chastising Vader about being obsessed with the force and loving up the war so Vader chokes him? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzs-OvfG8tE&t=78s It makes him look like a badass and he eventually turns out to be right.
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Bongo Bill posted:Doing acrobatic flip jumps all the time while fighting looks cool, sorry prequel haters.
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The Jedi hold council in a literal ivory tower.
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Bongo Bill posted:Doing acrobatic flip jumps all the time while fighting looks cool, sorry prequel haters. Nah but Darth Maul was rad. He was the perfect middle ground between boring rear end Dooku and going way too far with Grievous' helicopter arms.
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ATP_Power posted:Another thing that struck me in TPM is the scene where Anakin is packing up and is talking to C3P0 about how he wasn't going to be able to finish him, and would try to make sure his mom wouldn't sell him. When the scene looks at C3P0 it's a normal shot, but when the camera is on Anakin (the recently freed slave) talking about how he'll make sure his mom doesn't sell 3P0, it's shot from what looks like 3P0's first person perspective. Is that one of the only times we have a first person shot in any of the Star Wars films? It really stood out to me. There's this one: Which is relevant, because: First Words: THREEPIO : How do you do, I am See-Threepio, Human Cyborg Relations. How might I serve you? PADME : He's perfect. DARTH VADER: Where is Padme? Is she safe, is she all right? Baby Steps: First and Last Moments of Vulnerability: THREEPIO : My parts are showing? Oh, my goodness. DARTH VADER: I couldn't have! She was alive! I felt her! She was alive! It's impossible! No!!! quote:GEORGE LUCAS: And this is the payoff of this Darth Vader killing his subordinates Piett joke. Is this one where he comes down at the very end of the movie and you fully expect him to get killed and he doesn't. He's too upset to even bother with killing his subordinates. Because we're talking about his son now. So he's conflicted. It's not just hate anymore. There's more to it than that. He's C-3PO disassembled. MAN'S VOICE: Who are you? Cnut the Great fucked around with this message at 21:42 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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ImpAtom posted:I legitimately think that Anakin should have been the same age as Luke. I think a lot of things would flow more easily and frankly make more sense. "The student has now become the master. "
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Frackie Robinson posted:Getting mowed down by a bunch of frail goofy robots and talking termites Man I forgot how hard the Geo...dudes get annihilated in Ep. 2. Carved all up, eaten by animals, stomped into paste after being roasted on hot metal. Poor little geodudes.
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quote:What is this a shot of? I can't tell what the object is. Also your first "First words" image is broken btw.
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Zoran posted:Yeah, but the way Palpatine deceives people is by finding their flaws and exploiting them. Anakin laps up praise from a kindly old grandfather. The Jedi never suspect him because they don't think they could ever be outsmarted. Dooku mistakes his big role for actual importance. Padmé sees him as an experience ally fighting hard for her in the Senate, and she never rethinks that position. I'll give you Anakin, but the relationship between Palpatine and Padme is on the rocks by the time Revenge of the Sith rolls around though, being that even his alter ego is pretty pro war and pro power and Padme isn't. There's a deleted scene or two from the last one that shows that quite well. The Jedi definitely suspect something by the time of Revenge of the Sith too. That's why they want Anakin to spy on Palpatine when he gets appointed to the Jedi Council. They don't think he's THE sith lord, but by the end of Attack of the Clones, they even say they should keep a closer eye on the senate. And then Mace Windu has this line in RotS: Mace Windu posted:I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi. The dark side of the Force surrounds the Chancellor. Can you guys tell I watched the PT this past weekend for the first time in forever? Edit: Cnut the Great posted:
This is one of the few of your posts where I can't see the similarity. Like, at all. Fred Breakfast fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Dec 14, 2015 |
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It's a shot of C3PO's legs flying across the floor when a mean Stormtrooper shot him to poo poo.
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RBA Starblade posted:What is this a shot of? I can't tell what the object is. Also your first "First words" image is broken btw. That's C-3PO's foot, and his giant dong.
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# ? Dec 14, 2015 21:44 |
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lol thanks, I didn't recognize the scene.
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# ? Dec 14, 2015 21:45 |
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Ok your content in the old thread was interesting but this is absolute nonsense.
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Jewel Repetition posted:They're really explicit about Anakin's attachment to Padme being against the rules of the jedi order and being the thing that lets the dark side into him. She's the lever Sidious uses. Repeat after me: the Jedi are wrong. Their philosophy causes all sorts of problems in the prequels, and then Luke proves them wrong once and for all in the original trilogy. Jewel Repetition posted:My favorite ideas for making the prequels better are still Belated Media's. I assume everyone here has seen them. I just watched the TPM one. Personally, I think the number one red flag in prequel criticism is when someone says that Jar-Jar was "not important." Annoying? Sure! Some of the jokes involving him fell flat? Yep! But not important? Qui-Gon sees value in him when no one else (including the audience and also all the other characters) does. Eventually, it's Jar-Jar who shows Amidala that the solution to her problem was in front of her the whole time. Padmé didn't need to go to Coruscant and she didn't need to put Palpatine in power, but she did, just because her society was too racist to even consider asking the Gungans for help. Padmé's breakthrough is in overcoming her own prejudices, and it only happens because Qui-Gon kept Jar-Jar around. Fred Breakfast posted:I'll give you Anakin, but the relationship between Palpatine and Padme is on the rocks by the time Revenge of the Sith rolls around though, being that even his alter ego is pretty pro war and pro power and Padme isn't. There's a deleted scene or two from the last one that shows that quite well. Right. I was trying to elaborate on my earlier point—Padmé trusts people she shouldn't until well after it's too late to fix her mistake. By ROTS she no longer is on Palpatine's side, but he seems to have like a 94% approval rating. She can't build an effective opposition anymore.
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Steve2911 posted:Ok your content in the old thread was interesting but this is absolute nonsense. The prequel trilogy shots line up really well. Not so sure on the ESB ones.
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nerdbot posted:Still praying for Episode 7 to have the revelation that Mace Windu survived and lived on whatever Coruscant's surface looks like as a handless hobo for like 60 years. Like one of those WWII vets who got stranded on an island and still wants to kill the Japanese. In the previous thread, someone posted a Lucas interview where he said verbatim that this line of thinking is why he had Maul cut in half so the audience knows he's dead and gone.
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Zoran posted:I just watched the TPM one. Personally, I think the number one red flag in prequel criticism is when someone says that Jar-Jar was "not important." Annoying? Sure! Some of the jokes involving him fell flat? Yep! But not important? Qui-Gon sees value in him when no one else (including the audience and also all the other characters) does. Eventually, it's Jar-Jar who shows Amidala that the solution to her problem was in front of her the whole time. Padmé didn't need to go to Coruscant and she didn't need to put Palpatine in power, but she did, just because her society was too racist to even consider asking the Gungans for help. Padmé's breakthrough is in overcoming her own prejudices, and it only happens because Qui-Gon kept Jar-Jar around. Qui Gon thinks no more of Jar Jar than anyone else and keeps him around when he's useful because he has no other options. Then Jar Jar is tricked into starting a galactic war and ushering in 20+ years of hell.
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Fred Breakfast posted:This is one of the few of your posts where I can't see the similarity. Like, at all. You mean visual similarities? That's not really the point in this case (though there are some obvious ones in the ones from the PT). The screenshots are of moments where the same sorts of things are being depicted, from a character and thematic standpoint. jivjov posted:The prequel trilogy shots line up really well. Not so sure on the ESB ones. The ESB ones aren't really supposed to be visually similar. But in each case, it's the moment and immediate aftermath of the character's "disassembly" (whether it be physical or emotional).
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Steve2911 posted:Qui Gon thinks no more of Jar Jar than anyone else and keeps him around when he's useful because he has no other options. Qui-Gon didn't really need a navigator to get through the planet core. All the navigating shown on-screen is done by Qui-Gon himself. Obi-Wan wanted to leave Jar Jar behind in Otoh Gunga, and Qui-Gon wouldn't let him.
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