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First one is good but not great. Look at it like The Terminator. The second movie set the tone for the franchise, by being a legitimately excellent movie, not just a good, fun action movie. All the lovely Terminator sequels are around because the second movie was so good. Jedi had some very fun set pieces. The beginning part was disconnected from the whole but was very fun. The middle of the movie is just a ponderous mess. The end of the movie has some great scenes in the throne room, some innovative and excellent space battle stuff, and the cheesy-horrible ewok stuff on the ground. It's a mixed bag, and it's confused and messy, but it's not prequels bad. There's good stuff in there.
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Except that The Terminator and Star Wars are arguably as good or better than their sequels.
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Dec 15, 2015 18:44
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Everything between leaving Tatooine to Luke arriving at the throne room is really dull. That scene with Luke talking to Leia at night feels thirty minutes long. But the throne room scenes are legit the best in the trilogy, outside of Yoda in ESB.
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Dec 15, 2015 18:55
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http://pastebin.com/jcHuwZKT Um...woof.
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Dec 15, 2015 18:59
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Cheesus posted:http://pastebin.com/jcHuwZKT No... No... Thats impossible.
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Dec 15, 2015 19:05
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Cheesus posted:http://pastebin.com/jcHuwZKT quote:-Finn's origin (his skin color, who are his parents, why he hates the First Order) is never explained. lmao
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Dec 15, 2015 19:05
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The other spoiler thing talks about how he's reluctant to perform his Stormtrooper duties when he's wiping out settlements in cold blood. So, uh, sounds like some ding dong just took beats and pieces from around the various sources and filled in his blanks. Or it's entirely true and has Tommy Wiseau-esque dialogue at a pivotal moment 
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Dec 15, 2015 19:09
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Oh, hi, Han. Would pay money for that movie.
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Dec 15, 2015 19:11
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Based on other reviews I've read, it's entirely true. Just pared down quite a bit. The criticism I keep on seeing is that a lot of it feels a little bit like shallow fan service (which matches Lucas's hot take). edit: Also no canon explanation for black people, ticket cancelled. Danger fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Dec 15, 2015 |
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Dec 15, 2015 19:14
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Thank goodness Han and Leia have been just faffing around doing jack poo poo about their murderous son until this movie started so we could have some bullshit pathos!
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Dec 15, 2015 19:15
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Obviously the rote plot synopsis will seem shallow without the visual language of the film. Maybe it'll still suck though and fans will have something new to base their internet posting around, don't worry.
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Dec 15, 2015 19:16
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Danger posted:Based on other reviews I've read, it's entirely true. Just pared down quite a bit. The criticism I keep on saying is that a lot of it feels a little bit like shallow fan service (which matches Lucas's hot take). I believe most of it is accurate-ish just it's taken from other sources. I don't buy the dialogue for a minute.
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Dec 15, 2015 19:17
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AlternateAccount posted:Thank goodness Han and Leia have been just faffing around doing jack poo poo about their murderous son until this movie started so we could have some bullshit pathos! This is what's bothered me so far, I wonder if the impression will stick through the actual film. All the old characters doing nothing for 10+ years because sad is really lame.
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Danger posted:Based on other reviews I've read, it's entirely true. Just pared down quite a bit. The criticism I keep on saying is that a lot of it feels a little bit like shallow fan service (which matches Lucas's hot take). That's pretty much what everyone was expecting, a film that's essentially a new New Hope. Now it remains to be seen how or if Episode VIII will subvert the established narrative.
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Dec 15, 2015 19:20
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he probably just comes from the feral tribal black people planet Mace Windu came from.
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Dec 15, 2015 19:21
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AlternateAccount posted:Thank goodness Han and Leia have been just faffing around doing jack poo poo about their murderous son until this movie started so we could have some bullshit pathos! Maybe they don't know it's Kylo, they think their son was murdered along with the other Jedi? Luke either didn't know or didn't tell them. gently caress that would really complete the "Kylo is Vader, Luke is Obi Wan" parallels.
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Maybe if it sucks enough then the blockbuster model will fail and some original films will be made for once.
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I love that a New Rebublic did get established, but immediately became a weak, impotent failure.
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Motto posted:I love that apparently a New Rebublic does get established, but immediately becomes a weak, impotent failure. Borrowed straight from the old canon on that one
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Tender Bender posted:Maybe they don't know it's Kylo, they think their son was murdered along with the other Jedi? Luke either didn't know or didn't tell them. gently caress that would really complete the "Kylo is Vader, Luke is Obi Wan" parallels. They know, and it's made plain to the audience within the first ~45 minutes apparently. It's not even treated like some twist or anything, just dropped in conversation; which sounds like a pretty decent way to handle the worst kept secret about the movie.
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Jack Gladney posted:Maybe if it sucks enough then the blockbuster model will fail and some original films will be made for once. Nope. Star Wars will make bank, even if it's the worst movie ever made. And it probably won't be the worst movie ever made.
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No Mods No Masters posted:Borrowed straight from the old canon on that one Ripped from the headlines
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What about YodaPeople, do we find out about them? I've been waiting a long time to quote Sean here (where he almost got the title of the new film right):SeanBeansShako posted:Lucas is saving Yodas people for Episode VII: How The Force Got Its Groove Back.
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Dec 15, 2015 20:08
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i want Yoda to be like Toad in the Super Mario games where there's one whos actually named Toad but also the entire species is named Toad
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ashpanash posted:The hype I'm seeing is eerily like the early Phantom Menace reactions. Lots of "Oh, it was amazing, it had everything!" but no one going "Wow. Drop everything and see this!" This is pretty much why I don't care that much. It's fun, it's pretty, it will have a couple of references to nerd-lore, but ultimately it's shallow and lacks depth. I guess the JJ pace of action movies does not allow for scenes which made the original trilogy great, like Obi Wan explaining The Force and all slower and quieter bits and sequences which added to much so their atmosphere.
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In this thread we read bullet point summaries of movies and comment on their lack of depth.
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I really hope it sucks ballsack, but it'll probably just be mediocre. Greatness would be acceptable as well.
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ashpanash posted:The only legitimately excellent movie in the franchise is Empire. The original was fun but kind of a mess. The entire franchise really does rest on the shoulders of Empire. wow it's almost like ... star wars is bad Jack Gladney posted:Maybe if it sucks enough then the blockbuster model will fail and some original films will be made for once. ahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahhaha they're going to start making live action animes before they actually go back to original films. be careful what you wish for icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Dec 15, 2015 |
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James Cameron is supposed to be making a live action anime but he decided to go make Avatar 2 and like, explore the bottom of the ocean instead.
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Jack Gladney posted:Maybe if it sucks enough then the blockbuster model will fail and some original films will be made for once. icantfindaname posted:they're going to start making live action animes before they actually go back to original films. be careful what you wish for Who is they? Big Hollywood has been high on sequels since The Thin Man movies. Just in the past few years, in no particular order & off the top of my head, there are movies like Enter the Void, Beyond the Black Rainbow, The Grand Budapest Hotel, Birdman, Crimson Peak, The Fall, Gravity, Chappie, Prisoners, Nightcrawler, Interstellar, What We Do In the Shadows, and Avatar. There are tons of original films, but here ya'll are in the Star Wars 7 thread. Some of those movies even did pretty well.
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Groovelord Neato posted:he probably just comes from the feral tribal black people planet Mace Windu came from. Wonder what this guy's opinion of Space Latino Bail Organa was.
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Nessus posted:James Cameron is supposed to be making a live action anime but he decided to go make Avatar 2 and like, explore the bottom of the ocean instead. I remember back in the Spring of 2010 when Avatar was just leaving the theaters after making a gazillion dollars and James Cameron was talking about how he was going to get right to work on back-to-back sequels, a prequel book, and a bunch of other poo poo. He was targeting release dates of 2013/14. Its been nearly 6 years and he hasn't done poo poo, Avatar 2 is barely in pre-production. What the gently caress has he been doing? Avatar is not a hot property, he should have struck as fast as possible to ride the hype wave it had. But it's now long gone.
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People are criticizing a movie based off of paste bin hot takes .
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Cheesus posted:http://pastebin.com/jcHuwZKT 
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What a waste of von Sydow if it's true that he basically gets a cameo.
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BigglesSWE posted:What a waste of von Sydow if it's true that he basically gets a cameo. He old as gently caress, you're gonna risk giving his ancient rear end a major role in your billion dollar movie and have him croak halfway through shooting?
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I just saw the movie. I'm willing to answer any question, if it's made using spoiler marks. I really liked it! For starters it's way better than the prequels.
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I love Max Von Sydow as much as the next person, but yeah, dude is going on 90. He was probably never going to be more than a cameo for this movie.
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Insonix posted:I just saw the movie. I'm willing to answer any question, if it's made using spoiler marks. I've read the criticism of the snoke reveal, but it does seem like a clever way to use JarJar, how did it come off on screen?
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Insonix posted:I just saw the movie. I'm willing to answer any question, if it's made using spoiler marks. Fine! Why are you requiring spoiler marks in the spoiler thread
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