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Even in the officer corps, if you're out on patrol you're not of sufficient rank to matter.
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Syncopated posted:Syrian intelligence *snicker*
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But they are going to run out of Syrian soldiers are some point right
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I watched the Frontline about Syria recently and the biggest suprise to me was how not at war the Capitol seemed. Some weird managed propaganda feel to it, but the elites in Damascus seem to be doing just fine tyvm.
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If you try to correct the TOW circling, you will miss. You just have to hold it on target. I forget the specific reason but it's part of the wire guided poo poo.
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Zeris posted:But they are going to run out of Syrian soldiers are some point right Syria will defend themselves to the last Russian
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When Syrian tactics start to be logical, we'll know Russian troops have moved into position like in Korea.
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Munnin The Crab posted:Ahh I was under the impression that the mats were immobile, like slotted into an indent in the deck or something. All of those shells (except for the couple that a few people save for themselves) will just get tossed overboard. In an actual engagement with the 5" no one is going to give two shits about those shells flopping around on deck and most of them will get knocked overboard while maneuvering anyways. Those mats are only put out for preplanned exercises. Any actual combat no one is going to give a gently caress about the deck dents because it'll be the first navy shelling since 89 iirc. But adding extra explosive/flammable material to a weapons mag on a ship isn't a good idea.
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Nostalgia4Murder posted:If you try to correct the TOW circling, you will miss. You just have to hold it on target. I forget the specific reason but it's part of the wire guided poo poo. I think it uses the flare at the back of the missile. It adjusts the missile's trajectory so the big glowing light lines up with the sensor on the tube, which is kept pointed at the target. The wires are what sends the signals that steer the missile. Trying to correct the TOW's circling in any way other than keeping it on target is giving it a new point to turn and aim at.
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Mr. Nice! posted:All of those shells (except for the couple that a few people save for themselves) will just get tossed overboard. In an actual engagement with the 5" no one is going to give two shits about those shells flopping around on deck and most of them will get knocked overboard while maneuvering anyways. Those mats are only put out for preplanned exercises. Any actual combat no one is going to give a gently caress about the deck dents because it'll be the first navy shelling since 89 iirc. On my boat (DDG-996) in the early 90's we (the OI div) were assigned the fantail to take care of. This was because of some previous in-port fuckery before I got there. Anyways, the GMs did not give 1 gently caress, and barely made any effort to cushion the shell casings during a shoot. Repairing non-skid sucks. We also had the mid Harpoon deck, so got to fix scorch marks also.
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They still have that type of division of labor today. OD doesn't own the entire topside on a DDG even if they do the bulk of the work. They typically own the entire forecastle, though, outside of the VLS and 5" mount. Sometimes CG will own the area inside the danger circle around the 5" mount as well, but I've seen that go either way.
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monkeytennis posted:This is the bit for me. Why the gently caress aren't they learning and adapting their tactics?? Inshallah
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Mr. Nice! posted:They still have that type of division of labor today. OD doesn't own the entire topside on a DDG even if they do the bulk of the work. They typically own the entire forecastle, though, outside of the VLS and 5" mount. Sometimes CG will own the area inside the danger circle around the 5" mount as well, but I've seen that go either way. Me on the fantail while in Todd Shipyards sometime around '91 defending freedom. "This is my needle gun. There are many like it but this is mine. My needle gun is my best friend. It is my life. My needle gun, without me, is useless. Without my needle gun, I am useless. I must chip paint with my needle gun true. I must chip paint straighter and not fall asleep. I must chip before I fall asleep. I will...maybe" 
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Rocking those god drat dungarees like a boss.
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chitoryu12 posted:I think it uses the flare at the back of the missile. It adjusts the missile's trajectory so the big glowing light lines up with the sensor on the tube, which is kept pointed at the target. The wires are what sends the signals that steer the missile. Trying to correct the TOW's circling in any way other than keeping it on target is giving it a new point to turn and aim at. A guy I knew in Korea (who had been in Iraq) got to fire one in an exercise and was told the following during the training beforehand. "The missile is wonky as hell. There is the initial launch which sends it out of the tube in a shallow arc, then the motor kicks in and during its initial acceleration it gets even wonkier as it is trying to stay on target while its velocity is changing, making it weave all over the place. Once it gets to its "cruising speed" it finally starts to even out and the targeting computer gets a handle on where it is supposed to be going and what corrections it is supposed to make. If you try and do anything other than keeping it aimed at the target, it's going to start overcompensating and you're going to lose control as there is a bit of lag due to the processing and the control fins not being able to make instant and super precise course corrections. All you do is keep it on target and by the time it reaches the tank, it should be all caught up and going more or less straight. Any "manoeuvres" you attempt is just going to confuse the targeting computer, waste it's wire, and possibly cause it to run out of fuel prematurely. It might look like you're only making it move a few dozen feet in each direction, but at the distances we're talking it could actually be hundreds of feet, and trying to counter the waving causes it to get more and more off course and drastically overcompensate. Before you know it, the missile is doing this crazy wave pattern and skids into the ground, whizzes over the target's head, or has snapped a cable and careens off into a hill."
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Or you launch it and the cable immediately snaps and it flies off to wherever the gently caress it wants to.
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Mike-o posted:Or you launch it and the cable immediately snaps and it flies off to wherever the gently caress it wants to. or the missile itself never fires and you dive for cover like an idiot
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Knowing how it flies, I think trying to straighten its path to the target by doing "course corrections" is like trying to make a really long fishing pole try to straighten out by whipping it back and forth repeatedly to make it stop bending the wrong way, until eventually something flies off.
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SumYungGui posted:It's probably actually this. As much as I hate to use the word, the work "culture" in these militaries is very, very much "gently caress you do what I tell you because I'm a member of the ruling family/right tribal affiliation/sunni or shia/paid the right bribes/whatever and you are beneath me in everything. Exactly which one of those applies varies from place to place but whatever is chosen the guys on top loving stay there and everyone else god drat well does what they say. No feedback allowed, they're right you're loving wrong do it. Training/technical manuals, for example, are hoarded like treasure to officers only because letting the enlisted guys know more than the officers about anything at all is undermining how things are arranged. Is there any insight into how ISIS/taliban/iraq insurgency functioned? Did the dudes in charge rule with an iron fist?
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Meydey posted:Me on the fantail while in Todd Shipyards sometime around '91 defending freedom. gently caress todd shipyard
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Reverand maynard posted:Is there any insight into how ISIS/taliban/iraq insurgency functioned? Did the dudes in charge rule with an iron fist? This article will give you a lot of insight into the formulation and structure of ISIS: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/islamic-state-files-show-structure-of-islamist-terror-group-a-1029274.html And this PDF is about Daesh's "Strategic Messaging" that hints a lot at it's current functioning: http://understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Dabiq%20Backgrounder_Harleen%20Final_0.pdf But this America where reading is for fags and we're lazy veterans, so here's a Vice documentary. Skip to 18 minutes to get an idea of how the Hisbah work. 24/7 groups of guys enforcing Islamic 'code' driving around in minivans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUjHb4C7b94 Edit TL/DR: ISIS is a non-democratic state at war. The have institutional hierarchies, they tax, they make money, run courts, and have a 'monopoly on violence'. The Taliban were the same after coming to power after winning the civil war without ever truly beating the "Northern Alliance". For fucks sake, they came to the White House and we nearly recognized them. Depending on your faith in the messaging of ISIS, Zarqawi's AQIZ was always a stepping stone or bridge to the creation of the caliphate. Miloshe fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Dec 16, 2015 |
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Miloshe posted:This article will give you a lot of insight into the formulation and structure of ISIS: http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/islamic-state-files-show-structure-of-islamist-terror-group-a-1029274.html So basically the military stuff is totally secondary, just a small price to pay to allow an entire generation of culturally repressed young Middle Eastern / Asian men live out their out-of-proportion rape & pillage & hall-monitor fantasies
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Zeris posted:So basically the military stuff is totally secondary, just a small price to pay to allow an entire generation of culturally repressed young Middle Eastern / Asian men live out their out-of-proportion rape & pillage & hall-monitor fantasies Uhhh, I'm not sure if you're loving with me or not. But as a simple answer, Yes. In Western Afghanistan it was very common for young men to work in Iran for years and years for the slight possibility to acquire some land and subsequently a "bride" when they brought there meager wages back. Now imagine similar young men existing within a slightly similar culture being told all they have to do is shoot an AK erratically for a month or so and some 14 year old European from Twitter might arrive at his door step. ISIS really is Taliban Turbo. They arrived more rapidly, took over territory more rapidly, and began to administer more rapidly following the removal of foreign forces from the area. The idea that either of the two (and I don't want to continue comparing them) was or is a religious based endeavor first or as a foundation is a deliberate simplification of some hosed up complicated poo poo. No doubt a lot of there fighters are motivated principally by islamist ideology, but the foundation doesn't seem to be. A quote from the Der Spiegel article I linked: "In 2010, Bakr and a small group of former Iraqi intelligence officers made Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the emir and later "caliph," the official leader of the Islamic State. They reasoned that Baghdadi, an educated cleric, would give the group a religious face. Bakr was "a nationalist, not an Islamist," says Iraqi journalist Hisham al-Hashimi, as he recalls the former career officer, who was stationed with Hashimi's cousin at the Habbaniya Air Base. "Colonel Samir," as Hashimi calls him, "was highly intelligent, firm and an excellent logistician." But when Paul Bremer, then head of the US occupational authority in Baghdad, "dissolved the army by decree in May 2003, he was bitter and unemployed." This is a vignette that has happened time and time again and will probably continue to throughout our hopefully short lived time on this Earth as a species. Use some bullshit to energize the masses, throw a figure head out there, make money and wield power. Also I'm getting drunk so if anyone wants to continue to write about this poo poo on the Internet we should head to the drunk-tank, err, drunk-thread.
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Jesus, I didn't realize the Russians were down to only 17 fast-attack boats.
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Mr. Nice! posted:forecastle Just an FYI this word is pronounced "gently caress-skull" for your non-Navy folks
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im a billion percent alright with a country's navy being a shadow of its former self esp one which entrusts the average russian with anything more dangerous than cutlery
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TIMGd for readability
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MrYenko posted:Jesus, I didn't realize the Russians were down to only 17 fast-attack boats. To put that into perspective, anything older than an Akula is mostly a hunk of poo poo. Victor III is okay but its pretty much like one of our 637 class boats. The rest of the boats on that list were very old as poo poo and noisy nuke boats. Also all of the diesel boats older than the Kilo are pretty much all garbage as well. edit : also the Oscar II is a pretty capable boat in the SSGN category.
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ded posted:To put that into perspective, anything older than an Akula is mostly a hunk of poo poo. Victor III is okay but its pretty much like one of our 637 class boats. The rest of the boats on that list were very old as poo poo and noisy nuke boats. Also all of the diesel boats older than the Kilo are pretty much all garbage as well. Friend of mine is a nuke. I asked him about Russian subs once and all that he said about them was that they were "very detectable" which is probably the worst insult a sub guy can level.
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Merry Christmas from commieland  
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maffew buildings posted:Just an FYI this word is pronounced "gently caress-skull" for your non-Navy folks 'Foxhole' with a silent second 'o' 
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No, it's definitely gently caress-skull, no way would I mistake forecastle for "foak-sul" when it's clearly gently caress-skull
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I thought it was Foke-sill. 
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Not the same as the bow.
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Godholio posted:Not the same as the bow. subs only have a bow
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timg your poo poo next time
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