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Westminster System posted:As for the Liir.. answering that is spoilers. Even though probably no-one cares.  SotS wiki staying true to its source material
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StashAugustine posted:
Maybe don't click the link but copy the whole URL? You lost at the internet. or click here http://wiki.swordofthestars.com/sots2/Suul%27ka
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Dibujante posted:Weren't the Liir uplifted though? With sufficiently advanced technology you could buffer yourself from this effect, but you'd never be able to develop that technology to begin with due to this effect.
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Dec 15, 2015 23:35
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GaussianCopula posted:Maybe don't click the link but copy the whole URL? I think he knew, but used the opportunity of the broken link to make a joke.
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Dec 15, 2015 23:40
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Phlegmish posted:I think he knew, but used the opportunity of the broken link to make a joke. Clicking on the unbroken link returns a similar set of errors, so really, six of one, half a dozen of the other.
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Dec 15, 2015 23:48
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I'm looking forward to the "living planet" Stellaris dlc. Also looking forward to the Flash-Gordon-rayguns-and-1930s-scifi graphical dlc. Totally gonna spend steambux on that.
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Takanago posted:There's probably something wrong with me because I played EU3 and HOI3 on launch and didn't really notice anything bad. HOI3 was so slow on launch that it was literally unplayable. On max speed it was still taking about an hour per month in 1936.
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Dibujante posted:Weren't the Liir uplifted though? With sufficiently advanced technology you could buffer yourself from this effect, but you'd never be able to develop that technology to begin with due to this effect. What if you evolved in the volcanic conditions? I mean extremophiles are a thing that exist and it seems a little premature to suggest that we know the conditions under which intelligent life and society can evolve. Maybe after we've explored some of the galaxy IRL we can start with such pronouncements.
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Dec 16, 2015 00:10
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:Clicking on the unbroken link returns a similar set of errors, so really, six of one, half a dozen of the other. Yeah the wiki is straight up hosed. Can still read the interesting fluff but the core of the wiki is a jumble of broken scripts. Poetic.
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I wonder how Stellaris is going to be in the optimization department, EUIV can get sluggish after a while.
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Mister Adequate posted:What if you evolved in the volcanic conditions? I mean extremophiles are a thing that exist and it seems a little premature to suggest that we know the conditions under which intelligent life and society can evolve. Maybe after we've explored some of the galaxy IRL we can start with such pronouncements. 
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Demiurge4 posted:Question for a Paradox dev. Is the tech deck influenced by your policies? Am I more likely to get certain techs if I have a large amount of stations running studies on primitives? I believe the answer to this question was, "pretty much, yeah". It'll be mostly randomized but you can swing odds in your favor based on your ethics, studying anomalies, and probably encountering other cultures.
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Palleon posted:HOI3 was so slow on launch that it was literally unplayable. On max speed it was still taking about an hour per month in 1936. no, it wasn't. Your processor was just a piece of poo poo. Hth
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Sharzak posted:no, it wasn't. Your processor was just a piece of poo poo. Hth My processor was better than almost everyone elses in the thread at the time. HoI3 couldn't run on quad cores properly, or at least that's what I recall from the people who had the same problems and those who just had to deal with the game running okay but being lovely. Edit: If I recall, Paradox ended up saying that they didn't have any multi-core processors for any of the machines they tested it on so that's why it couldn't run on them, because they apparently only tested and designed their games on ancient hardware. Palleon fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Dec 16, 2015 |
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I thought it'd be a good idea to try an HoI3 MP game on launch day. After 14 hours, we finally made it to the beginning of the war in China, when the game broke entirely. So I tried an SP game and made it to 1937 after maybe ten hours. There is a reason CK2 heralded the arrival of "new Paradox".
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Mister Adequate posted:What if you evolved in the volcanic conditions? I mean extremophiles are a thing that exist and it seems a little premature to suggest that we know the conditions under which intelligent life and society can evolve. Maybe after we've explored some of the galaxy IRL we can start with such pronouncements. The universe is absolutely a big place, but from what we know now, it seems pretty dubious.
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Strudel Man posted:You can smelt iron at about a thousand degrees C. Observed hyperthermophiles can function to ~120, and maybe survive a few tens above that. There's the operative word. Also it's a goddamn sci-fi game, be glad they're not giving the women of each species tits no matter their biological background.
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Kavak posted:There's the operative word. Also it's a goddamn sci-fi game, be glad they're not giving the women of each species tits no matter their biological background. Anyway, the game is the conservative element here - it doesn't appear to have any volcanic dolphin civilizations. I'm not making any criticism of its alien design at all.
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AdjectiveNoun posted:Sci fi nerds in this thread, what is it about Fungi that make them so common as an alien race in sci fi genres? (Maybe they're not so common and it's just confirmation bias, idk!) Is there some special property of fungus that makes it plausible for a sapient fungoid alien race to exist? What make fungi more suitable than plants for a non-Fauna alien race? Or is it just a case of 'wouldn't it be cool if'? George RR Martin has written some cool short stories about telepathic and mind controlling fungi, I've been reading through this dude's compilation of them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl8WQ8_iQSk
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Kavak posted:I don't think appeals to the unknown are that fallacious when we're talking about science fiction.  It's just the harder-softer sci-fi spectrum. There's absolutely nothing wrong with having more speculative or fantastic elements in a story or a setting; they're not necessarily the most plausible, but they don't have to be, if that's the kind of world you're making. I understand that people often talk about the realism of a 'whatever' in sci-fi as an implicit or explicit criticism, but I really don't mean it that way here. It's just something interesting to discuss alongside.
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I hope there's a completely unreliable freak race in the game so that when I get the itch to gas something out of existence I won't feel a twinge of guilt doing it. Giant, sentient fungus people? Time to break out the economy sized Tinactin.
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StashAugustine posted:apparently the only thing worse than paradox fans arguing about history is paradox fans arguing about fantasy  Actually, what did happen to that norse mythology game they were working on? I only heard a tiny bit about it back when, but I was vaguely anticipatory. Do we know why it was canceled?
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Strudel Man posted:It's not fantasy, it's science fiction. They cancelled it because they felt it wouldn't be up to snuff with their new standard of quality, same reason they axed East vs. West (Besides being hilariously late and misdesigned.)
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Since it's come up recently and it's a Paradox-published series, could anyone share what the Grand Menace Black 21 is in Sword of the Stars 2? Been forever since I've played the first and the second game was crap enough that I never really got into it. Been catching up on the genuinely interesting lore of the games but the wiki is as frustratingly vague as the game was at times. This is what I'm pulling it from. http://wiki.swordofthestars.com/sots2/Black_List
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Strudel Man posted:
If you really want to write hard sci-fi then the whole idea of classifying organisms according to Earth norms is completely absurd. "Alien fungus" is an oxymoron, if it is alien it can't be a fungus. It might, at best, occupy a similar function as fungi do on Earth and look a little like Earth fungi, but it isn't a fungus and calling it one would be scientifically incorrect. Assuming that the general shape of a species that evolved as endurance hunters in the African savanna is literally the best suited for any sentient species in any environment is similarly silly.
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ArchangeI posted:If you really want to write hard sci-fi then the whole idea of classifying organisms according to Earth norms is completely absurd. "Alien fungus" is an oxymoron, if it is alien it can't be a fungus. It might, at best, occupy a similar function as fungi do on Earth and look a little like Earth fungi, but it isn't a fungus and calling it one would be scientifically incorrect. ah yes, hard sci-fi writers should, instead of calling their big mushroom people a sentient fungus, call them their own unique snowflake term like Xyagolofititi and never use the word fungus to describe any aspect of them. that sounds like an excellent strategy to make sure the reader is absolutely not alienated by your writing. It's okay when writing science fiction to make assumptions or claims that don't line up with scientific reality. Sure, while theoretical real aliens probably aren't going to look like anything we're remotely familiar with, it's more difficult for people to relate to creatures that don't look like themselves*, and if your alien concept is particularly far out there, it can be hard for other people to even take your idea seriously. That's why you get so many aliens which follow the standard "Two legs two arms one head" humanoid template; you have enough room to play around different ideas, while still maintaining a shape that the average human consumer can recognize. It may not have any veneer of scientific accuracy, but when you're designing things to entertain people scientific accuracy tends the first thing dropped. *Hint hint, this is also why the designated "bad aliens" in sci-fi tend to be the trend breakers here!
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VerdantSquire posted:ah yes, hard sci-fi writers should, instead of calling their big mushroom people a sentient fungus, call them their own unique snowflake term like Xyagolofititi and never use the word fungus to describe any aspect of them. that sounds like an excellent strategy to make sure the reader is absolutely not alienated by your writing. God forbid a hard sci-fi writer challenges his readers with something slightly more complex than "this ecosystem is exactly like Earth's, except that the dinosaurs became sentient!" How close a given story is to scientific reality is literally the entire point of the hard/soft sci-fi scale. A sci-fi story in which a scientists calls a new alien species "fungus" with perfect seriousness while claiming to be hard sci-fi is just silly, I'm sorry. Just as silly as people trying to come up with scientific explanations for the Force in Star Wars. The skilled writer, by the way, has a character call the alien a giant sentient fungus, only to have the dedicated exposition guy explain why it isn't a fungus, which is promptly ignored by everybody. The really skilled writer makes his sentient fungus only look somewhat like a mushroom, with an entirely different way of gaining energy (like photosynthesis instead of consuming biomatter) and reproduction method (i.e. not spores) and explains why these differences matter.
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ArchangeI posted:God forbid a hard sci-fi writer challenges his readers with something slightly more complex than "this ecosystem is exactly like Earth's, except that the dinosaurs became sentient!" How close a given story is to scientific reality is literally the entire point of the hard/soft sci-fi scale. A sci-fi story in which a scientists calls a new alien species "fungus" with perfect seriousness while claiming to be hard sci-fi is just silly, I'm sorry. Just as silly as people trying to come up with scientific explanations for the Force in Star Wars. See now I perfectly understand why people gave me poo poo in the XCOM2 thread for wanting hosed up cyborgs.
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ArchangeI posted:If you really want to write hard sci-fi then the whole idea of classifying organisms according to Earth norms is completely absurd. "Alien fungus" is an oxymoron, if it is alien it can't be a fungus. It might, at best, occupy a similar function as fungi do on Earth and look a little like Earth fungi, but it isn't a fungus and calling it one would be scientifically incorrect. That's why you call it Xenofungus and move on.
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The problem with completely bizarre and out there aliens with little resemblance to something from Earth is...the MOO3 effect. Or "I don't know what the gently caress it is. Space Jellyfish. That's what I am. ...Wait, my race is good at ground combat? HOW? We live on gas giants!" Slight exaggeration, but if it's just weird critters, people aren't gonna like it and force it into earthling molds. Also, things won't make sense sometimes for race traits. Why would floating gas bags be good at diplomacy? They're not even cute, they look like monsters. Nothing relatable or kawaii. Shameful!
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Strudel Man posted:I'm just offering an explanation for why the mostly-humanoid set of body types we're seeing isn't that unreasonable. v The Liir for me are definitely obligatory  Also I am gonna quote a great man which will explain everything on how an aquatic life form would be able to develop technology and metallurgy. 
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GrossMurpel posted:I thought hard sci-fi just meant you don't meet any aliens and instead philosophize about poo poo while waiting hundreds of years to get anywhere in space. This. And combat is about as visceral and interesting as a bad WW2 boardgame.
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