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Iron Tusk posted:The alternative method is to wait a bit when the backlash forces them to make it not so horrible. not happening right now it's completely 100% not worth it, you're looking at over a month's time investment dedicated solely to the relic weapon and millions of gil for the crafted stuff for a weapon that's 1 wd better than a loving thordan ex wep
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sword_man.gif posted:not happening If enough Japanese players complained, I could see them tripping over themselves to move the decimal points. The real question is whether this is too much even for them, but I suspect not.
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totalnewbie posted:Sorry for asking because I feel like it's probably been explained somewhere, and I've looked at flowcharts and whatever of weapon progression, but I'm still confused. There's the relic/zodiac progression of level 50 content, and the brand new anima progression of level 60 content. If you fully complete one of the level 50 weapons (so yes, starting where you are, there'd be the atma, animus, novus, nexus, zodiac, and zeta steps), then you a. get it and all the intermediate steps for glamour options (this is the better reason to bother with it) and b. can sacrifice the final zeta weapon to skip the very first step of the level 60 content (the atma equivalent). The major portion of the level 60 grind is in the (current) last step. I'm spitballing about a month-ish to work on that if you diversify your options and grind at a reasonable but not burnout rate. Which, as something that's intended as slow-but-steady busy work to give casual players something to poke away at between patches while keeping older content relevant, seems pretty reasonable to me. So do the level 50 content if you want it for glamour for one or another of your jobs, but if you want to get going on the level 60 content, then ignore it and just do the normal first step of fate grinding in Heavensward zones. Vil fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Dec 16, 2015 |
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Dec 16, 2015 16:04
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i'm never going into alex normal ever again, but seeing the numbers it doesn't seem too bad to just get tomes and do beast tribe quests since that's pretty much all i was doing anyway outside of raid nights. it's not like there's anything else to do right now
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Dec 16, 2015 16:06
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I was so excited to finally be able to get on the Relic train when it was current (I started in 2.3 I think it was, so I was always steps behind and gave up). I can't see myself spending the next 3 months working exclusively on this (having to farm the alma as well). This is fairly depressing (in terms of this game) to see...
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Eej posted:Ballpark figures: 44 days would get you 10 tokens. You need 20.
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Dec 16, 2015 16:13
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I miss the days when we just bought three bottles of Mist, dumped them onto the weapon, and called it a day.
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Relic trains have always been a long slow thing you gradually plink away at over weeks and months (if you have a sane approach to grinding, that is), and then they start making several steps behind be easier as a catch-up mechanism. Approach it less with the mindset of "this is my only avenue for a good weapon" (because it's not) and more "this is a long-term project I can poke away at, as an ongoing goal to work towards". Much like trying to level alt jobs, it'll make more efficient use of your time if you don't try to rush it.
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Dec 16, 2015 16:18
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Belzac posted:44 days would get you 10 tokens. You need 20. Yeah you do 9 runs of Alex and 12 Beast Tribe Quests per day for 44 days.
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They've released some pretty terrible content over the last 2 months. And this is what they've been working on so hard after the xpac launched? Also it sounds like you could pick up a 2nd job, make extra money and buy gil with it, then use that to pay for an a4s clear for a 210 weapon and it'd probably be cheaper and faster than the relic grind.
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Belzac posted:44 days would get you 10 tokens. You need 20. 44 days actually gets you 40 tokens, not 10 and not 20. As the post you were quoting says, it's half the total tokens needed for all four branches. Total tokens = 80 (20 per branch * 4 branches). Half of that is 40. 40 tokens * 13 beast tribe things per token = 520 beast tribe things needed. 520 beast tribe things / 12 dailies per day = 43.33 days.
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Pews posted:They've released some pretty terrible content over the last 2 months. And this is what they've been working on so hard after the xpac launched? I don't know what the going rate of a A4S carry is nowadays but you can definitely skip your dailies and Alex runs for a day and work minwage for 4 hours to get enough money to probably pay for it.
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We're talking about different tokens and any plan that required 3+ hours of alex a day is like not a plan.
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I kind of hoped they learned from the awful grind before... This new grind mixed with the still on-going lag issues and WTF ending it's free account guess I am done with FF14. Back to Path of Exile or EVE I guess.
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Pews posted:They've released some pretty terrible content over the last 2 months. And this is what they've been working on so hard after the xpac launched? I'm not happy about HW in general, and poo poo like this and Diadem seem to me they are doubling down on the worst things instead of learning from their best things. Certainly this seems much worse than any other previous relic step. And I love that they shoehorn crafting in yet again, especially now that crafting is even worse than it was at 50. (  )
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I was already feeling fairly burnt out and this is basically the nail in the coffin. It's not even the length of the grind, it's what they want you to do that really chaps my rear end.
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Vil posted:There's the relic/zodiac progression of level 50 content, and the brand new anima progression of level 60 content. If you fully complete one of the level 50 weapons (so yes, starting where you are, there'd be the atma, animus, novus, nexus, zodiac, and zeta steps), then you a. get it and all the intermediate steps for glamour options (this is the better reason to bother with it) and b. can sacrifice the final zeta weapon to skip the very first step of the level 60 content (the atma equivalent). Thanks so much for this. So when I get to 60, I'll get a NEW quest with a NEW weapon that I'll need to upgrade via Heavensward FATE grind, and will also be able to keep my current ilvl 90 weapon to eventually upgrade through atma, animus, etc. steps if I so choose?
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Zaphod42 posted:Small servers? poo poo dude even on Excal I've never logged on without getting at least 1 RMT tell, usually multiple per hour, even when I'm blacklisting them as I go. Its an insanely huge problem. I'd rather have options like "block tells from characters lvl X or lower" or "block tells from non-FC members" but even just giving us a right click report function like EVE and Lotro has would make me happy. EVE's ISK spam in chat nearly went extinct overnight when the report function was added.
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l o l relics the flatcap is the best glamour option hat ever
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Eej posted:I don't know what the going rate of a A4S carry is nowadays but you can definitely skip your dailies and Alex runs for a day and work minwage for 4 hours to get enough money to probably pay for it. Yea no clue either but it sounds like the amount of hours you'd put into getting a relic is about the same as have a part time job for a month or two. E: basically it's a bad sign when you have to consider the opportunity cost to playing a video game Pews fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Dec 16, 2015 |
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totalnewbie posted:Thanks so much for this. So when I get to 60, I'll get a NEW quest with a NEW weapon that I'll need to upgrade via Heavensward FATE grind, and will also be able to keep my current ilvl 90 weapon to eventually upgrade through atma, animus, etc. steps if I so choose? Correct on both counts. Belzac posted:We're talking about different tokens and any plan that required 3+ hours of alex a day is like not a plan. If you were attempting to correct their math on the Alex side of the equation (which considering that "token" could refer to beast tribe currency, Alex drops, or unidentified blahblah, I could see as a valid point of misunderstanding on my part), Eej's math is also correct there. Eej's post's numbers operate with the plan that out of 80 total unidentified blahblahs needed, half come from beast tribes (44 days, see my last post for detailed math) and half come from Alex. (Or more exactly, if half come from beast tribes, how much Alex do you need to do per day in that time for the rest?) It overtly ignores tomestones and maps, with the implied understanding that they'll speed up the process in some harder-to-clearly-calculate way. So given that 40/80 unidentified blahblahs are obtained from beast tribes in 44 days, the question is how long it would take per day to get the other 40/80 from Alex. 40 unidentified blahblahs = 400 Alex drops, at 10 Alex drops per unidentified blahblah. Spread across 44 days, that's 400 / 44 = 9.09 Alex runs per day. At Eej's estimate of 20 minutes a run, that's 3 hours on days you do 9 runs and 3:20 on days you do 10 runs. Or, like they said, "about 3 hours".
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Aside from the relic bitching, there's an important update to this patch: all magitek armors have guns now. Included the gilded armor. Good patch.
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I'm glad this will encourage people to run FATEs in Azys Lla. That's such a neat zone for how little time we spend in it. The new relic stuff seems OK. Sure, if you sit down and do nothing but grind it out, you're going to be miserable. That's true of anything. With this, you can run beast tribe quests to level alt classes and still make progress. You can dump billions of gil into crafting if you want to go that way. Run Alex and pick up drops plus tomes to purchase more. Hell, you can get necessary drops out of treasure maps or buy them with hunt seals. Do whatever, get relic progress. That's way better than having a very specific list of things to do with no other options. I plan to just run around and keep doing my thing, and somewhere down the road I'll end up with a relic weapon.
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Reading https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/3x37zh/anima_weapon_guide/ To clarify, does each of the four items require twenty of token 1 and four of token 2, or is it either or? Are the costs for the crafted token 2 items listed better or worse than the perfect items for zodiac?
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nuru posted:Reading https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/3x37zh/anima_weapon_guide/ you need 20 unidentified AND 4 hq crafts. it is not either/or.
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So given how much of a hellgrind this appears to be, shall we take bets on how soon the first one will be finished?
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Martman posted:So given how much of a hellgrind this appears to be, shall we take bets on how soon the first one will be finished? I'd be very surprised not to see one before the end of the weekend.
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The better bet is on how long it will take for someone to die at their computer trying.
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Assuming the average duration of an Alex run is ten minutes then I'd say about 7 to 8 days for people who have no obligations or need of sleep.
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Chyea will have one before the end of next week.
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Bertram Weatherby posted:I miss the days when we just bought three bottles of Mist, dumped them onto the weapon, and called it a day.
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Whizbang posted:Chyea will have one before the end of next week. Has to be able to tell everyone else they are terrible for not having one.
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nuru posted:Reading https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/3x37zh/anima_weapon_guide/ And/both. The crafted token 2 must be HQ. They're specialist recipes, and each have an ingredient which is another specialist recipe (so all eight crafts are equally needed, just like perfect items). Other items include Dawnborne Aethersand and Diadem mats. As for actual costs, it just came out but won't be useful for a month+, so expect volatility. They'll probably turn out to be somewhat more expensive but not bank breaking.
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So how does this relic grind compare to the initial relic grind in 2.1? e: Crafted items are specialist items too? I loving called it. 
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I did some numbers if you do only hunts for these things you would have to kill 1000 A ranks from so if you were super lucky and lost no maximum credit on any of the marks you showed up at and all of them spawned within their absolute minimum spawn window and slept zero hours and only hunted, you could have your full relic in 7 days from only doing hunts have fun peeps edit: poo poo I just realized HW marks do not give allied seals, only law and poetics OK it's looking more like two weeks sorry guys
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This hellgrind has kept me erect for hours.
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So there's absolutely no reason to keep your Zeta since there will be a replica for glamour, right? (I don't have my Zeta yet but I'll get there one day when I'm more bored than usual)
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Some of the models look nice from that renders page, I'll probably just grind out a few base relics for glamors and then gently caress off. I'd rather Thordian EX with pubbies than go through relic grinds. I couldn't even finish a book* in 3.0 to show my ability to grind poo poo. * After waiting for 20m for a fate to spawn I didn't get credit for it because I stepped out of it to avoid an aoe right as it ended. I promptly threw away the book and put my Atma weapon back into storage. gently caress books.
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So wait the casual content that you can do at your own pace for a weapon that is as good as end game raiding ones takes a long time to get?
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