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I was cautiously optimistic after the pilot. The second ep, like always, was mediocre. But after 4 eps, I'm all in. The leaker did Syfy a favor because a lot of people, myself included, might have cut after ep 2.
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gohmak posted:Episode 3 has sold me on Amos and I recant anything negative I've said about his casting. He exceeded my imagination in delivering the balls joke. Martian interrogator and captain were awesome. The trolling scene with the martian guard was pretty hilarious, it's like when people try to make those Buckingham Palace guards laugh.
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Dec 16, 2015 21:54
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The subtitles on all of the releases so far, have had inconsistent timing.
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gohmak posted:Episode 3 has sold me on Amos and I recant anything negative I've said about his casting. He exceeded my imagination in delivering the balls joke. Martian interrogator and captain were awesome. That line was poached from the second book. I just did a quick reread before watching the first four. Soo many details from the book goes out the window. But those a minor, and the show isn't worse for wear for it. And holy sweet hell does the Rocicante look baddass
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The whole space duel scene was sort of underwhelming and confusing. Wasn't too crazy about the infantry fight on the battleship either, almost looked like something out of space balls with the soldiers just lining the hallways.
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I'm inclined to agree. Why do they just have a zillion guys in the hangar ineffectually shooting an apparently bulletproof ship? It wasn't very exciting, and the run across the gangway to the ship felt clumsy and overlong. Also, the ship that ends up being their equivalent of Serenity got basically no buildup or introduction, you just see this thing and they run at it. Also, maybe it was just me, but the space scenes were very dark, I couldn't really see any detail of the 'stealth' ships. Maybe that was the intent, I don't know.
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That's because space combat with ballistic missiles would actually be underwhelming. You think that if they go out of their way with accurate zero-G physics (as much as can be emulated on a TV budget), they'd do spectacular Michael Bay ship to ship combat?
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Kesper North posted:I couldn't really see any detail of the 'stealth' ships. Maybe that was the intent, I don't know. That does tend to be the intent of stealth, yeah.
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Dec 16, 2015 23:27
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"Space is too dark!!" I love you TV/IV
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gohmak posted:
Amos looks like Turtle. It sucks.
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stuart scott posted:"Space is too dark!!" I love you TV/IV Just the whole editing and overall VFX made it hard to track what was going on. BSG is still pretty much the gold standard for a more old school flak guns and fighter space combat battle. The whole final part of the set piece was pretty boring compared to the massive hangar battle bloodbath in the book.
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etalian posted:Just the whole editing and overall VFX made it hard to track what was going on. I found the space scenes very watchable in my... alternatively acquired versions but when I watched episode 2 on the Syfy site everything was mushy and grey. Maybe it's their compression or maybe the quality settings were messed up but I had it in high quality and it did not look good.
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The longer intro was more awesome surprised they cut it down so much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzUATesLdcs
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gohmak posted:Upon second viewing there isn't much to nitpick other than the wrench Falling away in straight orientation when they were fixing the dish and climbing with effort into the airlock when they were done. If the ship was tumbling the star field would have been rotating and the wrench would fall away in a parabolic arc. If they were not then the wrench would not have floated far. They were under acceleration, apparently? At least I think someone explicitly said they were underway during the repair (which seems insanely hazardous)... As for the space combat, it's not inherently true that 'realistic' space combat with super long range missile exchanges has to be underwhelming, both visually and in terms of narrative tension. Play a few rounds of Harpoon and tell me that's not tense as hell, and the exchange between a ship's CIWS and incoming missiles is pretty spectacular.
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Also the airlock on the shuttle was shown as being on the bottom floor of the interior shots but on the side in exterior shots. The 'gravity' from acceleration would be all sideways. The new scenes added (and episode 2 had a lot of them) are sticking out as being kind of janky compared to the more book faithful scenes. Though perhaps reading the books is spoiling some of the breadcrumbs for later books they're tossing in.
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General Battuta posted:They were under acceleration, apparently? At least I think someone explicitly said they were underway during the repair (which seems insanely hazardous)... They matched relative trajectory of the local debris field then cut power to do repairs. There was no acceleration.
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On the other hand, creepy naval intelligence guy was awesome. He's swimming in oceans on Mars now 
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CowboyKid posted:Amos looks like Turtle. It sucks.
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He looks like Stephen Amell had a jaw upgrade
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Strategic Tea posted:On the other hand, creepy naval intelligence guy was awesome. I liked how he was popping drugs during the interrogation.
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Y'all talking about Amos looking like Turtle but for some reason Holden looks like a studlier Kit Harington to me. I just finished binging on the three eps and now I'm legitimately sad that it'll be January before there's new episodes. This is some of the best hard sci-fi I've seen in a long while.
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Strategic Tea posted:On the other hand, creepy naval intelligence guy was awesome. Yeah that one surprised me in the end. Definitely thought he'd last longer. Same with that guy who played Tom Green's brother in every early 2000's comedy
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gohmak posted:They matched relative trajectory of the local debris field then cut power to do repairs. There was no acceleration. You sure? Why did the wrench 'drop', then?
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Strategic Tea posted:On the other hand, creepy naval intelligence guy was awesome. He reminded me a lot of the Graverobber from Repo: The Genetic Opera. I don't think the pills he was popping were in the book, but I assume they were improving recall, or the ability to read human microexpressions, or something.
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Kesper North posted:He reminded me a lot of the Graverobber from Repo: The Genetic Opera. Just checked, and they're in the book. 'Little white lozenges.' It was funny in this though because it looked like they have NZT in the future.
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I haven't read the books and I'm really liking this so far. It does seem like the pacing's a bit slow, though- going by the teaser, I expected Holden to send the distress call out right at the beginning of E2, but then everything just... calmed down a lot while they fixed the dish. I read a few comments in this thread and apparently in the books that doesn't happen? E2 had good character moments but I think it sacrificed waaaay too much energy to be worth it, and I don't know why they'd be padding things out if there are five books, doubly so when it's the second episode. Also, Shed (the medic) had become my favorite, he had fantastic interactions with everyone else 
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Cheston posted:I haven't read the books and I'm really liking this so far. It does seem like the pacing's a bit slow, though- going by the teaser, I expected Holden to send the distress call out right at the beginning of E2, but then everything just... calmed down a lot while they fixed the dish. I read a few comments in this thread and apparently in the books that doesn't happen? E2 had good character moments but I think it sacrificed waaaay too much energy to be worth it, and I don't know why they'd be padding things out if there are five books, doubly so when it's the second episode. 
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The Cold War parallel they have going on is pretty interesting considering Mars (the Soviet Union) is initially setup as hostile (as expected), but by the 4th episode they already have become rather sympathetic. I guess they needed to initially paint them a bit darker, in order for the audience to able to turn around on them. Btw, "Soviet" in Russian more or less means "council" or more broadly "congress", and the Mars terraforming project is more or less a giant state infrastructure project. (Also, the reddish orange color scheme helps.) Ardennes fucked around with this message at 06:01 on Dec 17, 2015 |
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Cheston posted:I haven't read the books and I'm really liking this so far. It does seem like the pacing's a bit slow, though- going by the teaser, I expected Holden to send the distress call out right at the beginning of E2, but then everything just... calmed down a lot while they fixed the dish. I read a few comments in this thread and apparently in the books that doesn't happen? E2 had good character moments but I think it sacrificed waaaay too much energy to be worth it, and I don't know why they'd be padding things out if there are five books, doubly so when it's the second episode. Thought the same, after the first episode I had no idea why goons were gushing so hard. Episodes 3 and 4 really pick up the pace though and have me hooked.
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Episode 2 seemed to basically be setting up how this series is going to view space travel - it kind of sucks, there's danger at every turn, oxygen is limited - which might be a good thing because even I wonder if the 'hard' sci-fi aspect of the show might alienate viewers who go into the show thinking it's more of a conventional series.
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I like how they've portrayed Mars so far. In the books they obviously had a lot more time to flesh them out but I thought the show has done a pretty good job getting the point across so far in the limited time they've had. I'm really looking forward to seeing some Earth Ships too. In the books the Martian navy is much smaller but they're technically superior to the Earth who has numbers but generally very dated technology. I know it's probably a couple seasons away but the giant space battle the two navy's have over Ganymede in Caliban's War is going to be loving awesome. This show better not get cancelled. There's so much material left. I'm really loving their portrayal of Ceres station and Miller's storyline too. They're getting the gritty, slum like feel down perfect. edit: The guy who plays Alex is a pretty bad actor but the show is good enough I can forgive that. johnsonrod fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Dec 17, 2015 |
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I'm on my phone, but can someone take a screenshot of the Condition Zero warning that shows up in ep 4? It wasn't on screen for long but it looked like a fun nod to the auto-destruct in Alien.
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loving hell, Sci-Fi Channel - you're back!  Have you been working out? You're looking goo-
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This show has been great for the 4 episodes ive seen so far. Hard sci Fi is a rare beautiful treat, and this is a fantastic example of it.
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Ardennes posted:The Cold War parallel they have going on is pretty interesting considering Mars (the Soviet Union) is initially setup as hostile (as expected), but by the 4th episode they already have become rather sympathetic. I guess they needed to initially paint them a bit darker, in order for the audience to able to turn around on them. They haven't really had time to show it so far, but the state of Earth will probably surprise non book readers. (spoilers if you want to go in blind I guess?)What the Martian guy said about handouts is basically bang on. The population is through the roof, while technology plus the space boom slashed the number of jobs in half. Like half of Earth's population get free state food and internet, but have next to no chance of getting ~~~A Job. And that's not in the sense of a social safety net; most people on Basic will never have the privilege of being employed, ever. If Mars is a giant state infrastructure project, Earth is a giant state humanitarian mission.
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Strategic Tea posted:They haven't really had time to show it so far, but the state of Earth will probably surprise non book readers. (spoilers if you want to go in blind I guess?)What the Martian guy said about handouts is basically bang on. The population is through the roof, while technology plus the space boom slashed the number of jobs in half. Like half of Earth's population get free state food and internet, but have next to no chance of getting ~~~A Job. And that's not in the sense of a social safety net; most people on Basic will never have the privilege of being employed, ever. I can't wait for the flashback episodes delving into the characters dark pasts alluded to by the Martian interrogator. Or the Solomen Epsteins story.
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gohmak posted:I can't wait for the flashback episodes delving into the characters dark pasts alluded to by the Martian interrogator. Or the Solomen Epsteins story. Considering we don't really learn about any of their back stories until book 5 you might be waiting awhile. The Epstein story is pretty cool though. Some backyard scientist invents the first fusion rocket engine and blasts off to the stars never to be seen again.
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johnsonrod posted:Considering we don't really learn about any of their back stories until book 5 you might be waiting awhile. Drive novella is free on SyFy page http://www.syfy.com/theexpanse/drive/ gohmak fucked around with this message at 14:37 on Dec 17, 2015 |
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