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What the gently caress is "the culture"?
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# ? Dec 16, 2015 10:41 |
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# ? May 15, 2024 11:52 |
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p sure it's the guys who edit memory alpha
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# ? Dec 16, 2015 10:54 |
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poor life choice posted:It would have been fantastic if, upon traveling back in time, Michael Dorn was wearing original series Klingon makeup with nobody remarking about the difference. Hahah that cracked me up in work.
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# ? Dec 16, 2015 11:04 |
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Kitchner posted:What the gently caress is "the culture"? A bunch of really good scifi books written by a scifi writer who was also a pretty respected literary writer and they're all really good
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# ? Dec 16, 2015 11:06 |
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counterfeitsaint posted:This kind of poo poo is inevitable when you decide to make a prequel. This is why prequel are universally garbage. The prequel part of Godfather II was better than the sequel part.
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# ? Dec 16, 2015 14:17 |
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MikeJF posted:A bunch of really good scifi books written by a scifi writer who was also a pretty respected literary writer and they're all really good Is that the series that begins with a man locked in a basement chamber while the ruling class of elderly gorge themselves and fill the lower chamber with poo poo as a method of execution in their gerontocracy? If so, I can see its appeal as goon catnip.
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# ? Dec 16, 2015 14:46 |
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counterfeitsaint posted:This kind of poo poo is inevitable when you decide to make a prequel. This is why prequel are universally garbage. This kind of poo poo is inevitable when your writing panders to grown-up babies who are more concerned with made-up "universe building" than compelling storytelling.
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# ? Dec 16, 2015 20:47 |
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You can have both, though! Some of my favorite Enterprise episodes are the ones about how the UFP came into existence. Granted, at least 50% of that is Shran, but it was also interesting to see the history get fleshed out. The Klingon forehead ridges stuff wasn't just badly written, it was also aimed at answering a question that no one really cared about. Besides, Worf already gave the best possible answer. Why keep digging when you've already struck dilithium?
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# ? Dec 16, 2015 21:07 |
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Yeah, that's true, I guess it just takes a skilled writer to make that work. I'm not against a nice tidy "canon," but if the writers are ever at a crossroads between that and a more interesting canon-violating idea, I'd rather go with the latter personally. I think I'm in the minority of people that liked Enterprise better when it was just being its own show rather than trying to connect with the later series. I thought the temporal cold war was alright, I thought the Suliban were cool, I thought the Xindi arc had its moments. I had a lot of fun with season four, too, but I was kind of sad to see them giving up on some of their original premises rather than improving on them. Drink-Mix Man fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Dec 16, 2015 |
# ? Dec 16, 2015 21:26 |
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E: double-post thing
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# ? Dec 16, 2015 21:48 |
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Snatch Duster posted:It depends a lot on who is on the offensive, the interpretation of their technology, and which era we are talking about. are you okay?
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 00:10 |
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Hard Clumping posted:are you okay? Was really expecting this to be a "same". What a surprise twist.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 00:11 |
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Hard Clumping posted:are you okay? i read every word of it it was p deec
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 00:12 |
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Chomp8645 posted:Was really expecting this to be a "same". i hope snatch duster is okay
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 00:24 |
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Snatch Duster please write or find one for Babylon 5 vs. Star Trek presuming heavy, but not direct, Vorlon support of an all-races B5 alliance, excepting of course the Makab, Shadow and Drakh peoples.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 00:31 |
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Yup, this is why I read the TVIV Star Trek thread, my daily dose of Star Trek info!
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 00:31 |
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Hard Clumping posted:i hope snatch duster is okay I think he got that post from Quora.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 01:11 |
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shadow puppet of a posted:Snatch Duster please write or find one for Babylon 5 vs. Star Trek presuming heavy, but not direct, Vorlon support of an all-races B5 alliance, excepting of course the Makab, Shadow and Drakh peoples. Star Wreck exists so this is probably unnecessary.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 01:59 |
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Snatch Duster posted:according to the expanded universe well according to star trek fan fiction wesley is picard's gently caress slave?
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 01:59 |
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I googled "unicron" from the previous page and found a wiki that might just be more autistic than Memory Alpha
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 03:25 |
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The best scene in all of Trek is Quark reciting Picard's "The line must be drawn here" speech.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 04:08 |
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Man we've been Snatch Dusted again! This is the same dude who in the Vermintide thread said all the loot you get for your characters was useless but you needed it to play on the hardest difficulty setting which was the "true difficulty setting" for the game as the devs intended it to be played.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 06:40 |
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Also I don't know why Enterprise felt it needed to explain the forehead ridges thing when they didn't even explain why they went from touch screens to buttons, knobs, and dials, and then back to touchscreens.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 06:42 |
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Kitchner posted:Also I don't know why Enterprise felt it needed to explain the forehead ridges thing when they didn't even explain why they went from touch screens to buttons, knobs, and dials, and then back to touchscreens. Federation HQ went through an audiophile phase. Early Excelsior-class ships were packed with external banks of mpingo vibration-absorbing discs and the dlithium was loaded on a solid granite plinth with brass spike feet, every Jeffries tube was thick with needless power conditioners and cloth braided cable sleeves. The costs of construction were astronomical even for a post-monetary civilization.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 06:47 |
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shadow puppet of a posted:Federation HQ went through an audiophile phase. Early Excelsior-class ships were packed with external banks of mpingo vibration-absorbing discs and the dlithium was loaded on a solid granite plinth with brass spike feet, every Jeffries tube was thick with needless power conditioners and cloth braided cable sleeves. The costs of construction were astronomical even for a post-monetary civilization. I mean that all sounds very technical and I didn't understand any of it so it's the perfect star trek tech explanation.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 07:04 |
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Probably some handwaving about how they discovered some security flaw with the touchscreen devices that could allow remote hacking of Starfleet ships or corrupting Okudagrams to give inaccurate labels. Moving to buttons and levers for an era hardwired everything to to serve more single use duty to prevent that. Starfleet got hit with adware that they thought was a real control PADD menu. They eventually patch it and move back to touchscreens a generation later.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 08:04 |
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I don't know what y'all are talking about, the NX-01 was all buttons and knobs and levers.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 08:45 |
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MikeJF posted:I don't know what y'all are talking about, the NX-01 was all buttons and knobs and levers. Looking at the photos on the bridge there are a lot of screens that I swear I remember being touch screens but maybe they weren't. We still have touch screens in the modern day though and then they've decided to go back to buttons and knobs EDIT: I guess unless the Enterprise is based in an alternative universe where touchscreens are invented after light speed travel somehow...
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 09:48 |
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Kitchner posted:Looking at the photos on the bridge there are a lot of screens that I swear I remember being touch screens but maybe they weren't. Oh they did touch them, but the main controlling was the buttons. You can't prove the screens on TOS couldn't sense touch too! They certainly wrote on those giant tablets with styluses.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 10:02 |
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Kitchner posted:Looking at the photos on the bridge there are a lot of screens that I swear I remember being touch screens but maybe they weren't. Touch screens are awesome until the lights go out or you have to look up while using them. That's one of the biggest complaints I've heard about the Tesla, it's impossible to navigate the screen if you're not looking directly at it.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 10:21 |
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since the universal translator works by constantly scanning your brain all the time and figuring out what you mean to say and the comms system makes use of the computer's ftl shunt it literally reads the future to connect you to who you're calling by the time you say their name - so troi hears 'picard to troi' as he says it it's been theorised that the ui of the enterprise similarly makes use of cyberpsychic powers to give you a contextual interface where the thing you're thinking about is the button that you're about to press. so you're just pressing any button (the button you were always, predestined, going to press), to authorise the action. thats why they don't need readable labels, they're just for debugging purposes.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 12:38 |
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chaosbreather posted:it's been theorised that the ui of the enterprise similarly makes use of cyberpsychic powers to give you a contextual interface where the thing you're thinking about is the button that you're about to press. so you're just pressing any button (the button you were always, predestined, going to press), to authorise the action. thats why they don't need readable labels, they're just for debugging purposes. Hahha so why even have a screen at all? Why arent they all in green goo like the matirx? Nerds are the worst. Just accept that these future people are super smart and know their job/ui inside out so they can mash whatever the hell they like. If you(Not you, Chaosbreather, the nerds) want to complain that in Episode 24359 Wesley uses the same terminal and presses his fingers slightly left to where Worf pressed them then just imagine you can re-configure the buttons like icons on a desktops. You don't have to pretend the Enterprise is psychic. Jeeeesus.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 13:02 |
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ChogsEnhour posted:Hahha so why even have a screen at all? Why arent they all in green goo like the matirx? actually wil wheaton was the only guy who was enough of a dork to think about the particular sequence of buttons he was pushing even when his console wasnt visible
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 13:18 |
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ChogsEnhour posted:Hahha so why even have a screen at all? Why arent they all in green goo like the matirx? but then there's this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKFMWhxJask&t=15s yeah that's a two button combo right from what appears to be a stock helm panel to bring up a track list for bouncy ball karaoke HMS Pinafore, with no intermediate menus at all so there's that.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 13:29 |
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Or the panel can detect your comm badge and can fetch your preferred LCARS layout. That's also the Captain's Yacht, right?
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 15:17 |
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Where has it ever shown that the badge communicates "Picard to troi" at the same time Picard says it? Google listens when I say "Hey Google" but it must have been always listening right? So "Picard to" is just like "Hey google" it means "Start getting ready to transmit the bitching message" and then really it just starts transmitting as soon as you say "Troi" so it's like a second out if that. The reason it transmits "Picard to" is because it obviously stores the sound of Picard to and then transmits that. The enterprise is not psychic. The reason the consoles never changed was because they couldn't afford expensive props. That's it.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 15:25 |
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There's that one episode where you can kind of see the guys opening and closing the doors so now it is 100% verified nerd canon that most of the crew members actually live inside the walls and have no job other than to open and close doors for Picard and the other senior staff.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 15:43 |
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Clark Nova posted:There's that one episode where you can kind of see the guys opening and closing the doors so now it is 100% verified nerd canon that most of the crew members actually live inside the walls and have no job other than to open and close doors for Picard and the other senior staff. Are Trek nerds as autistic about this as Star Wars nerds? I don't know how much of a cross over there is, but on Wookipedia they take everything said in the films literally TO A FAULT. For example when Leia tells Moff Tarkin "I could smell your stench as soon as I arrived" the nerds took that to mean he has a disease that actually makes him stink so badly that Leia could smell him from across the planet or whatever. Or I imagine because there's so much Star Trek compared to Wars it'd be harder to adhere to that level of lunacy.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 17:00 |
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I think most of the poo poo like that in wookiepedia is just slavishly documenting dumb, awful Expanded Universe garbage where the authors had weird restrictions imposed on them by Lucas and had to refer back to the movies constantly. A boundless universe of adventure with millions of worlds that are all populated mostly by smugglers in cantinas and there are like twelve people out of trillions who can ever do anything that matters.
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# ? Dec 17, 2015 17:34 |
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# ? May 15, 2024 11:52 |
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shadow puppet of a posted:Federation HQ went through an audiophile phase. Clark Nova posted:I think most of the poo poo like that in wookiepedia is just slavishly documenting dumb, awful Expanded Universe garbage where the authors had weird restrictions imposed on them by Lucas and had to refer back to the movies constantly. A boundless universe of adventure with millions of worlds that are all populated mostly by smugglers in cantinas and there are like twelve people out of trillions who can ever do anything that matters.
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