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Zephro posted:Here's a very unglamorous question - what's the best way to organise LOTR cards? I guess you want binder sections for Lore, Tactics, Leadership, Spirit and Neutral. But what about the encounter cards and the quest cards? I can see storing quest cards on a single binder page for each quest, but I'm not quite sure what to do with the Encounter ones, since they get used in multiple scenarios... Amoeba102 posted:Do it by the symbol on them, like say for core, put the forest ones together, spider ones etc. This. [disclaimer] I'm a shoe box storage person [/disclaimer], but I think for encounter cards it's pretty legit. I've got a bunch of BCW 330 count card boxes (they're sold as 300 count but say 330 on the bottom of the box) and they fit a deluxe expansion/core set and full cycle, sleeved, perfectly. Just sling a divider of your choice between each quest and it's real easy to construct anything on the fly. They also hold two Saga expansions sleeved with a little room to spare. Smaller mobile footprint than taking a core set box, and presumably quicker to build quests than a binder? It is also cheap as poo poo which I'm a big fan of.
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OK, thanks for the advice. Do new cards get added to different Encounter sets as you buy packs? So for instance the Spider set in the Core box - does that contain all the Spider cards FFG will ever print or do more turn up in subsequent packs?
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Dec 17, 2015 14:31
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The 6-set series (i.e. Hunt for Gollum through Return to Mirkwood) have the same symbol because they're a "cycle" but each major release has its own symbol, similar to Magic. So they won't use the Spider again.
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Zephro posted:OK, thanks for the advice. Do new cards get added to different Encounter sets as you buy packs? So for instance the Spider set in the Core box - does that contain all the Spider cards FFG will ever print or do more turn up in subsequent packs? No, each encounter set is a particular set of cards. When you buy a pack, you get a quest and a new set of encounter cards that may or may not use certain sets from the core set. For example, Return to Mirkwood uses the Spiders and Wilderness encounter card sets, in addition to the cards you get in the pack. You can, however, buy Nightmare packs that make certain quests harder by changing certain cards in the sets.
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Dec 17, 2015 15:02
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Yeah what I think Boco_T is referring to is the symbol in the very bottom right of a card which denotes where it comes from, purely for identification purposes. Each adventure pack will use mostly its own cards (~30) and then usually somewhere between 1 and 3 sets from the preceding big box/core, to produce a quest that's mostly new cards. Each cycle is designed alongside the box that came before, so there's no need to add new cards to extant sets.
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Dec 17, 2015 15:09
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Has any group of players online started working around trying to reconfigure sets with custom Encounters? Seems like that would be something hard core players would do.
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Dec 17, 2015 15:33
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Taran_Wanderer posted:No, each encounter set is a particular set of cards. When you buy a pack, you get a quest and a new set of encounter cards that may or may not use certain sets from the core set. For example, Return to Mirkwood uses the Spiders and Wilderness encounter card sets, in addition to the cards you get in the pack. You can, however, buy Nightmare packs that make certain quests harder by changing certain cards in the sets. So I guess the way to do this is 5 categories of player cards (Lore, Tactics, Spirit, Leadership, Neutral), x categories of encounter sets (1 set per page, ideally, so I have a Spider page, a Wilderness page, a Dol Guldur page, etc etc), and then x quest pages, with all the quest cards for a particular quest in a single pocket with the top-most card visible (so a pocket for Passage Through Mirkwood, another for Journey down the Anduin, for 9 quests per page).
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Zephro posted:OK, thanks. So I'd be OK to put all the encounter sets (ie all the Spiders, and all the Wilderness, etc) onto single binder pages without leaving room for future additions to that particular pool. That should work. I keep the quest cards with the "main" encounter set of that quest, as it's not used in any other quest. The only exception I can think of is Journey Along the Anduin.
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Can I play a 0 cost Lore card if I have no Lore heroes in play?
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sassassin posted:Can I play a 0 cost Lore card if I have no Lore heroes in play? No.
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Conquest-related: I was never aware just how much fun it was to park a Termagaunt Horde with Regen on Atrox and keep sending Savage Warrior Prime there. At least one termagaunt every round plus smashing HQ or adjacents, attempts at taking the planet led to horrible bites in the face with the built up gaunts
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MisterShine posted:Conquest-related: Love it. Tyranids can do some really weird and powerful stuff.
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Dec 18, 2015 11:55
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Got my AGoT 2nd edition in today. Excited to get started. But holy poo poo, I was annoyed at FFG for the Netrunner core having a few one offs. AGoT is just a giant gently caress you in that respect.
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EVGA Longoria posted:Got my AGoT 2nd edition in today. Excited to get started. It's better this way though, you're going to buy three cores anyway and this allows them to have more unique cards and your third core is still giving you significant stuff instead of just being for like 5 cards.
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JoshTheStampede posted:It's better this way though, you're going to buy three cores anyway and this allows them to have more unique cards and your third core is still giving you significant stuff instead of just being for like 5 cards. Except I could get started with netrunner with a single core, and multiple cores just made things better. Looking at this, I feel like I bought one of those crap magic starter decks, or that a 5 year old just handed me their first attempt at deck building. One of the appeals of the lcg model to me is that I can have a play set of every card effortlessly. Now I need to buy 2 more $40 core sets to get started in this game.
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EVGA Longoria posted:Except I could get started with netrunner with a single core, and multiple cores just made things better. Looking at this, I feel like I bought one of those crap magic starter decks, or that a 5 year old just handed me their first attempt at deck building. One of the appeals of the lcg model to me is that I can have a play set of every card effortlessly. Now I need to buy 2 more $40 core sets to get started in this game. One core decks in Netrunner were legal but terrible. Anyone who played past a demo bought at least a second and many bought three. At least they are being honest about it now. The game is three cores. One core is a demo.
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EVGA Longoria posted:Except I could get started with netrunner with a single core, and multiple cores just made things better. Looking at this, I feel like I bought one of those crap magic starter decks, or that a 5 year old just handed me their first attempt at deck building. One of the appeals of the lcg model to me is that I can have a play set of every card effortlessly. Now I need to buy 2 more $40 core sets to get started in this game. It's a fantastic game but yeah I agree. You can't even make a legal deck from a single cause re set can you? You could at least make a couple of legal decks from a single Netrunner starter.
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Serotonin posted:It's a fantastic game but yeah I agree. You can't even make a legal deck from a single cause re set can you? You could at least make a couple of legal decks from a single Netrunner starter. You can make a legal deck, but it'll use basically all the neutral cards in the box so you wouldn't be able to make two.
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The way I see it is that even going $120 deep on 3x GoT cores is small potatoes compared to what you'd pay for a TCG (as a former WoW TCG addict, I was a case deep, that's 12 boxes, quarterly with new releases). Getting the 3-core "full experience" costs barely more than I'd pay for a single box back in the day. It feels steep from a board gamer POV I guess, but there's a ridiculous amount of game you get out of those three boxes, be it as a bunch of head to head decks to build or the ability to run melee games with 3+ players. The overall value is huuuuge.
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It seems insanely dumb to me.
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JoshTheStampede posted:One core decks in Netrunner were legal but terrible. Anyone who played past a demo bought at least a second and many bought three. At least they are being honest about it now. The game is three cores. One core is a demo. I wasn't playing during the Core timeframe, so I can't say anything as to how good they were, but on the list, the majority of cards are 3-ofs, most of the rest are 2-ofs, and only a few are 1-ofs (and about half of those are limited to 1 in play at a time, so most decks I see only run 2 now). They've also put out Promos of the 1-ofs and 2-ofs to help complete playsets pretty easily, and a "Core Completion" set people build only costs about $50 anyway. Merauder posted:The way I see it is that even going $120 deep on 3x GoT cores is small potatoes compared to what you'd pay for a TCG (as a former WoW TCG addict, I was a case deep, that's 12 boxes, quarterly with new releases). Getting the 3-core "full experience" costs barely more than I'd pay for a single box back in the day. It feels steep from a board gamer POV I guess, but there's a ridiculous amount of game you get out of those three boxes, be it as a bunch of head to head decks to build or the ability to run melee games with 3+ players. The overall value is huuuuge. Unless you were paying Legacy, $120 would easily get you a competitive Standard deck in Magic. Even in Legacy, I had 2 competitive Legacy decks at $120. The value might be huge, but I have yet to even really play the game, and if I go to a GNK with just a core-set deck, it's going to be garbage. I get the advantage for someone who is dedicated to LCGs. But it feels like a giant "gently caress you" to the LCG model - "Each pack you buy has a full playset of all the cards! No more collecting or chasing!"* * Does not include core set, you'll need to buy 3 of them. I would rather have a core set with fewer cards, that provides 3-ofs of everything. I'll concede it's a personal preference thing. But it's frustrating to me.
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EVGA Longoria posted:I wasn't playing during the Core timeframe, so I can't say anything as to how good they were, but on the list, the majority of cards are 3-ofs, most of the rest are 2-ofs, and only a few are 1-ofs (and about half of those are limited to 1 in play at a time, so most decks I see only run 2 now). They've also put out Promos of the 1-ofs and 2-ofs to help complete playsets pretty easily, and a "Core Completion" set people build only costs about $50 anyway. Also, are you saying you can get one-of SanSan City Grids as a promo from FFG?
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Zephro posted:I've never seen anyone selling these core completion sets that actually has any in stock. Are you sure they're still doing it, or was it only a thing when Netrunner was new? http://www.ebay.com/itm/Android-Net...iYAAOxyA9dSXuHx Haven't seen SanSan City Grids, that's the frustrating one. Still comes in a core completion, though. Though, Netrunner cores are down to $25 each, 2 cores is cheaper I guess. It'll be less of an issue when Game of Thrones is available at $25 too.
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EVGA Longoria posted:It'll be less of an issue when Game of Thrones is available at $25 too. It already is, $25.99 at CSI and I'll bet everywhere else that competes with their prices is liked priced pretty close. Netrunner and every other FFG Core set regularly pop up around the net for $20 on sales, the only reason to pay the $35 retail price is because you're impatient. Even out here in Taiwan I got aGoT Cores for $36 after shipping and shipping is really bad here right now, so the price of shipping was about $10 a box. PaybackJack fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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PaybackJack posted:It already is, $25.99 at CSI and I'll bet everywhere else that competes with their prices is liked priced pretty close. Doesn't count if they are out of stock every time I look. I managed to get one from MM, and it was out of stock about an hour after I did.
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I'm not moaning too much as I did pick up my copies of AGOT very cheap. And it's a great game
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EVGA Longoria posted:http://www.ebay.com/itm/Android-Net...iYAAOxyA9dSXuHx
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PaybackJack posted:It already is, $25.99 at CSI and I'll bet everywhere else that competes with their prices is liked priced pretty close. Then you'll be glad to hear that Asmodee North America are about to cut the knees out from under anyone who deep discounts FFG products online.
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Jedit posted:Then you'll be glad to hear that Asmodee North America are about to cut the knees out from under anyone who deep discounts FFG products online. What
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Jedit posted:Then you'll be glad to hear that Asmodee North America are about to cut the knees out from under anyone who deep discounts FFG products online. Interesting. Still it seems like they're aiming more at distributors who also have a store front that sells product on the cheap. I'm not sure if CSI is a distributor or not, but if they buy their stuff from an authorized distributor then mark it down, I don't see how this changes that. It seems like the stuff about being an authorized retailer is more along the lines of if you can call yourself an "apple store" and get listed on the website or not. Of course once they have their deals with the 5 distributors they could hike up the price they sell to them at in order to keep the retail stores from discounting too much and keeping closer to MSRP on their own website. Honestly though I can't particularly blame them for wanting to direct traffic to their own website and away from other people's, they probably do lose a lot of money that way. I wonder if it's just an American mindset that companies are somehow forced to include 3rd parties into their business procedures, I really don't hear people from other countries complaining about it. You hear the same grumbles in tech regarding Apple or Microsoft, or in comics regarding Marvel/DC wanting to shift readers to their online apps. I guess ultimately it will go the same way as the Netrunner deck builder crisis. People will move on, complain about something else, and new sites will pop up that play by the new rules.
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Foehammer posted:What Based on what I know about Jerry (CSI owner. Cool dude. But now I feel like a name dropping douche.) and his attitude in general, I bet he'll do the same thing he did when GW modified their online sale policy, which was a stern "Not doing that. Go gently caress yourself."
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edit: in fact, never mind, gonna wait till it's a bit clearer what's happening
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EVGA Longoria posted:Unless you were paying Legacy, $120 would easily get you a competitive Standard deck in Magic. Even in Legacy, I had 2 competitive Legacy decks at $120. quote:I'll concede it's a personal preference thing. But it's frustrating to me.
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I'll take having to buy three core sets in exchange for only dropping fifteen or thirty dollars every month or two for the rest of the game's life cycle to have a full playset of cards.
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The only thing I wish they'd do with the LCGs is come up with a fixed retail price for their event kits. The things are loving print on demand anyway, so sell the promo cards yourself and stop complaining about distributors and retail stores over ordering and selling on ebay. They're missing a huge opportunity to make money with those and a large portion of their audience would pay for the alt arts and playmats. The fact that it took them so long to figure out that people would buy playmats is ridiculous on it's own. People wouldn't stop attending tournaments because you could buy the cards online, just sell them after the season is over when the kits are no longer being distributed.
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If they printed more copies of alt arts they wouldn't have value any more as a promo. What worries me about the LCG model is the rising barrier to entry every time a new pack is released. The rotation period is long enough that it doesn't help. No new players = dead game
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Man, you guys just gotta buy in on LCG's when they're on sale. AGoT core was $20 already at CSI. I have 4 cores and a chapter pack and haven't broken $100 on the game.
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Bottom Liner posted:Man, you guys just gotta buy in on LCG's when they're on sale. AGoT core was $20 already at CSI. I have 4 cores and a chapter pack and haven't broken $100 on the game. I bought Core + Chapter for $35 already from MM. It's still another $50 at that price to play with the cards in the core set though. I'd rather they price this stuff higher and just include the full loving set.
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That's my point, that would still only be $85 total for 3x core and a chapter pack, far from the $120+ the guy was saying 3x core costs. Basing actual cost on MSRP is a bit disingenuous.
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