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syscall girl
Nov 7, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe

T-man posted:

A++ User name/Post Combo. No matter how bad GBS it's probably just that.

Right? :ohdear:

Sending gag gifts for SASS is verboten

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Male Tiers
Dec 27, 2012

Why don't you just lay down your weapons now?

T-man posted:

A++ User name/Post Combo. No matter how bad GBS it's probably just that.

Right? :ohdear:

This was our exchange:


He bought both books new at a total of $47, plus gift-wrapping, plus next day shipping. He spent a lot of money to send something AUG instead of something nice.

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NVB
Jan 23, 2010

Grimey Drawer

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

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Male Tears posted:

This was our exchange:


He bought both books new at a total of $47, plus gift-wrapping, plus next day shipping. He spent a lot of money to send something AUG instead of something nice.

show us more of the book because thsi seems lol as hell

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

I think the AUG is that someone spent nearly $50 because someone elses jokey internet name was vaguely *gasp* feminist, and as such they need to be shown the truth.

Zombies magazine
Oct 17, 2005

Firmly grasp the :kazooieass:

Male Tears posted:

This was our exchange:


He bought both books new at a total of $47, plus gift-wrapping, plus next day shipping. He spent a lot of money to send something AUG instead of something nice.

Whiny rear end nerds that think feminism is anti-men are my absolute favorite. :allears:

Male Tiers
Dec 27, 2012

Why don't you just lay down your weapons now?

BrigadierSensible posted:

I think the AUG is that someone spent nearly $50 because someone elses jokey internet name was vaguely *gasp* feminist, and as such they need to be shown the truth.

More than $50, next day shipping isn't cheap.

Dreadwroth
Dec 12, 2009

by R. Guyovich

Male Tears posted:

More than $50, next day shipping isn't cheap. :saddowns:

Wait, are you actually up in North Pole? If so, holy poo poo I'm sorry.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

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pls pls pls post the contents of this horrible book

cash crab
Apr 5, 2015

all the time i am eating from the trashcan. the name of this trashcan is ideology


Male Tears posted:

He bought both books new at a total of $47, plus gift-wrapping, plus next day shipping. He spent a lot of money to send something AUG instead of something nice.

It's so rare to see someone own themselves that bad

Male Tiers
Dec 27, 2012

Why don't you just lay down your weapons now?

The Saddest Rhino posted:

pls pls pls post the contents of this horrible book

I don't want to mess the books up too much because they're new and I plan to return them (at least Santa ultimately gave me $47 minus the cost to ship the return), but here's a start. Give me a bit to find more good stuff.

The Woman Racket - Table of Contents

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer
Those look like the spawn of a GBS contest thread to come up with fake chapter titles for a MRA book.

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Apr 29, 2009

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Rape: Fact, Fantasy and Fabrication

Equeen
Oct 29, 2011

Pole dance~

Male Tears posted:

I don't want to mess the books up too much because they're new and I plan to return them (at least Santa ultimately gave me $47 minus the cost to ship the return), but here's a start. Give me a bit to find more good stuff.

The Woman Racket - Table of Contents



lmao it reads like a parody of MRAs

Some weird sex toy would have been a less pathetic Secret Santa gift. And probably less expensive.

The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

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The Woman Racket has some pretty interesting reviews on goodreads

quote:

Yellow Rose rated it 1 of 5 stars
I really wanted to like this book the book started out great. It explained the roots of feminism and how communism is behind this whole social engineering. I will mention the good points on the book and then move on to the very bad and disturbing. A very good quote from the book really sums up on what feminism is really about. "Extreme feminism is therefore a disguised re-branding of the perennial conspiracy of the elite, and a natural doctrine for rapidly changing times where new economic conditions make established chivalrous habits appear out of date" (52). Indeed, it is a conspiracy of the ELITE, it is not the fault of all women, and most women do not even want to have careers. In fact, many women are speaking up against feminism and how it has hurt all women, especially the upper and middle class women. As the author beautifully points out by saying "Women have woken up to not just the stress and thorough lack of empowerment that work actually provides, but what is for women the pointlessness of it" (133). Indeed most women are unhappier then ever before, because patriarchy actually protected women through families wage laws, no fault divorce women used to be treated as productive and important members of society. Not anymore, however most tradition women are shunned and treated as if they are less then important. Society is based of on the stability and successfulness of the family unit therefore the family is the building block of a better society. With so many single mothers, and working women we see the degradation of society caused by feminism (which is the creation of the elite to destroy the family). In fact, when back in the days it was shameful for a man not to provide for a family today a man happily makes his wife get a job. What I guess I am trying to say is that what the author fails to acknowledge is that feminism has hurt women in so many more ways then men. Feminism has freed the irresponsible men from taking responsibility for a family life. Now bachelors and unmarried women are accepted as a normal part of society.

Book was acceptable up until page 160, I thoroughly enjoyed the book. However then the insanity became obvious. First, the author suggests that domestic violence is a female on male phenomena. Although I do not doubt that men are abused by women, I doubt that it is more then when men abuse women. In fact, the majority of the men who do abuse women are live in boyfriends not husbands. This is a constant attack of feminists that husbands are wife beaters (especially traditional husbands) that is a lie fabricated to turn women and men against marriage. In addition, I feel that the author by stating that domestic violence is a female on male phenomena is trying to stir up gender problems by blaming domestic violence on women. I feel Moxon, should have just stuck to the notion that domestic violence is non-gendered instead of attacking women.

Then the chapter on Rape now my own opinion is that yes there is an epidemic of false rape charges. This especially comes from loose women who act irresponsibly "hook up" with the first guy at a party. (Because feminism has promised these women that they like men can have sex no matter with whom, they will have fun either way). This is yet another feminist propaganda meant to make women miserable, because after the "hooking up" most women feel lonely since the guy saw them nothing more but a piece of meat so he did not call her. So our modern girl is hurt and resorts to take revenge upon the guy by saying he raped her. Hence, a false rape is reported. Then the problem emerges he seems to have a problem with the fact that rape is seen worse as murder. It is an emotional murder, and the fact that the author says that rape leaves no damage to the woman's well being just tells me that he is either ignorant or just hates women. In fact when De Tocqueville visited America he mentioned the freedoms of women to be safe on the streets, because rapists were put to death. Today however a woman does not have such security at all. In fact, if the rapist is unlucky he might get five years max. It is truly pathetic how feminism has made society not respect and care for women.

Furthermore, he thinks that women prostitutes exploit men. (Insane even for an anti-feminist like me). This guy just hates women he is not an anti feminist at all he is a hater plain simple as that. Then he says "white slavery" is a myth. So in essence, he just called all the young girls who are trafficked from eastern European countries as whores, who already knew what they were going into. The author is such a despicable person to think that these women are willful whores. The book turned to a train wreck after page 160, so if any women anti feminists want to read it. Read up until then all the rest is insane garbage. (less)
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Damaskcat
Sep 10, 2013Damaskcat rated it 3 of 5 stars
The author's whole premise is women have never been downtrodden, have always been privileged as a sex and have been protected from harm by men. If you accept this premise then you will agree with all that follows. While I don't dispute the scientific findings quoted such as women's intelligence tends to cluster around the middle of the spectrum whereas men are more represented at the highest and lowest points, I cannot agree with the conclusion that on this basis men are badly treated. I would say individuals are badly treated if they aren't recognisably normal and this applies just as much to women as to men.

I understand what the author is saying by keeping women confined to the home men were keeping them out of harm's way though this is - and always has been - a purely middle class issue. Working class women have worked outside the home since the Industrial and Agrarian revolutions deprived them of the ability to add to the family finances by selling their surplus produce once their own families had been fed and clothed. He denigrates the campaign for female suffrage as being misplaced and mistimed and suggests women had always been able to vote. He does not make it clear what elections he is talking about and I can only assume he means bodies such as Parochial Church Councils since Local Government, as we know it now, did not exist until late in the 19th century.

The author states no inventions have been made by women and there have been no great works in art or music or even literature by women because, he seems to be suggesting, women have always had a great deal of leisure time and have not chosen to use it wisely. He seems to forget women were not allowed to be educated in the same way as men. Their reading was in many cases censored by their husbands or fathers and learning was considered dangerous to women's brains. When you take it in context it is surprising women managed to achieve anything. Oxford and Cambridge did not award degrees to women until the 20th century. The author by omitting this background information seriously distorts the picture.

I don't agree the laws on sexual harassment have rendered all human interaction at work potentially illegal or that such legislation gives women an unfair advantage. The legislation applies equally to both sexes; it is peer pressure which stops men using it. I do agree positive discrimination and quotas are ridiculous and likely to cause more problems than they solve. Susan Pinker's book `The Sexual Paradox' deals with issues of gender at work in a much more objective and rational fashion in my opinion.

Where I seriously part company with the author is in the chapter on rape - welcome to women on the basis of rape fantasies and biology - Mills & Boon romances are all based on the rape fantasy proving that rape is welcome to women. He appears not to be aware that for many women a fantasy is just that - a fantasy. Women in general do not wish to experience their fantasies whereas men do. Romances are read as an escape from real life in the same way men read Westerns or books such as those written by Andy McNab. The author casts doubt on the authenticity of all rape claims suggesting even stranger rape may be unconsciously welcomed by the victim. He does not however seem to be saying the same thing about men where they become victims.

When writing about pornography he suggests men should not be punished for having in their possession extreme images involving children because this is punishing 'thought crime'. I find this suggestion totally abhorrent as is his comparison with reading crime novels or watching films depicting crimes. He seems to forget the moral condemnation which is usually present in such work and which is totally lacking from the extreme end of pornography.

I found his descent into name calling against certain women in the later chapters undermined his whole thesis which is a pity. If he had maintained the objective tone of the first few chapters his argument would have been more persuasive. He quotes far fewer sources in the later chapters, which appear to be largely his own personal opinions, and he fails to quote from some of the great classics of feminist writing such as Simone de Beauvoir, Betty Friedan and Germaine Greer. His sources, listed in the lengthy bibliography, seem to represent disproportionately male writers and researchers and he appears to regard the word feminism as denoting a man hating virago. He forgets that the term patriarchy is not a term of abuse but a description of the society in which we still find ourselves.

Overall this is a very interesting and thought provoking book which I would urge all men and women to read if they are at all interested in the issues covered. (less)

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Male Tiers
Dec 27, 2012

Why don't you just lay down your weapons now?

The Saddest Rhino posted:

Rape: Fact, Fantasy and Fabrication

From the summary of that chapter:
"That rape is supposedly the main way that men "oppress" women depends upon rape being on a sizeable scale, but it isn't. The real problem is the huge scale of bogus allegations-- a spiral that is undeterred and is fuelled [sic] by men being routinely charged on the basis of no evidence and convicted on the basis of no proof. The enormity of this problem is revealed by the analysis of police data from both sides of the Atlantic. It may well be that an actual or even a large majority of complaints are bogus. Research by rape investigators themselves reveals a collection of reasons why women behave in this way, and none is any way a response to supposed make "oppression."

If rape is the main way that men supposedly oppress women, then impact of rape must be serious, but research shows that generally it's not. Typically, there may be some mild depression, but not usually lasting beyond four months. The most recent overview of studies was over 20 years ago, and it showed a range of effects so wide and bound up with pre-existing conditions, that the research was worthless.
...

Rape is largely a misnomer in that much or most rape appears not to be forced sex. Several phenomena concerning rape, not least "rape fantasy" and the seeming ready capitulation of women to an attack, can only be explained from an evolutionary perspective. Women may non-consciously desire sex with rapists because in their evolutionary past this was likely to result in offspring bearing the genes of high-status men.

The ultimate in the prejudice that anti-male conceptualisations of rape can produce has now come to pass. By a legal insistence that "all reasoning steps" are taken to establish consent, the sex act has become by default illegal."

Edit: Actually starting to get really sad and disturbed that the anonymous man online who sent this to me has my name and address. :smith:

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Postal Parcel
Aug 2, 2013

It's "Who's exploiting WHOM" you drat simpleton <:mad:>

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Male Tears posted:

Women may non-consciously desire sex with rapists because in their evolutionary past this was likely to result in offspring bearing the genes of high-status men.


Waitwaitwait. Is he really saying that most rapists are high status men!? Or that, even in the past, most high status men would be the one to rape them?
Even going with the whole "caveman club cavewoman sex time" belief, that is the most outrageous thing I've ever heard.

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Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

Postal Parcel posted:

Waitwaitwait. Is he really saying that most rapists are high status men!? Or that, even in the past, most high status men would be the one to rape them?
Even going with the whole "caveman club cavewoman sex time" belief, that is the most outrageous thing I've ever heard.

Bill Gates gets to rape whoever he wants.

Telemaze
Apr 22, 2008

What you expected hasn't happened.
Fun Shoe

Male Tears posted:

Edit: Actually starting to get really sad and disturbed that the anonymous man online who sent this to me has my name and address. :smith:

I'm not sure what's worse: if he thought he was totally owning you :smug:, or if he was so wounded by your username that he just had to "educate" you. Even if it's a joke it's just the sad kind.

For all their scorn of SJWs and safe spaces, anti-feminists are the most constantly-triggered loving crybabies.

SulfurMonoxideCute
Feb 9, 2008

I was under direct orders not to die
🐵❌💀

Please tell me how prostitutes exploit men.

MrXmas
Apr 10, 2006

Let's Get Sweaty

Picnic Princess posted:

Please tell me how prostitutes exploit men.

By taking their moneys, duh

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

.
/\/\ dammit! /\/\

Picnic Princess posted:

Please tell me how prostitutes exploit men.

They charge men for sex instead of just giving it away for free.

Scathach
Apr 4, 2011

You know that thing where you sleep on your arm funny and when you wake up it's all numb? Yeah that's my whole world right now.


Hey now prostitutes are for women too <:mad:> All you men, going and trying to claim the hookers, for gently caress's sake.

Birb Katter
Sep 18, 2010

BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

Scathach posted:

Hey now prostitutes are for women too <:mad:> All you men, going and trying to claim the hookers, for gently caress's sake.

I've been trying to get paid for sex for years and it still hasn't worked. I call bullshit on this.

Scathach
Apr 4, 2011

You know that thing where you sleep on your arm funny and when you wake up it's all numb? Yeah that's my whole world right now.


Birb Katter posted:

I've been trying to get paid for sex for years and it still hasn't worked. I call bullshit on this.

Well I didn't say we were after the men.

jeebus bob
Nov 4, 2004

Festina lente
prostitutes should consider the benefits of doing unpaid work from time to time, especially for high status males

let me dig up some links to show you what I mean

Birb Katter
Sep 18, 2010

BOATS STOPPED
CARBON TAX AXED
TURNBULL AS PM
LIBERALS WILL BE RE-ELECTED IN A LANDSLIDE

Scathach posted:

Well I didn't say we were after the men.

So you're saying the world needs two of me?

cash crab
Apr 5, 2015

all the time i am eating from the trashcan. the name of this trashcan is ideology


Male Tears posted:

I don't want to mess the books up too much because they're new and I plan to return them (at least Santa ultimately gave me $47 minus the cost to ship the return), but here's a start. Give me a bit to find more good stuff.

The Woman Racket - Table of Contents



To be honest, I'd love to read a book that is critical of liberal feminism. But I would like to read one that isn't written by a) That guy who endlessly edited the Silent Hill Wiki, b) Camille Paglia or c) a shrill, insecure MRA who's entire political MO revolves around his discomfort with women distinguishing themselves from doormats, to borrow a phrase.

:saddowns: I'm sorry this weird rear end in a top hat decided to do... whatever he was trying to accomplish.

davidspackage
May 16, 2007

Nap Ghost
Heard about the arrest of Shkreli on the car radio yesterday morning and I just started laughing and singing. Maybe he'll come out of it just fine but a guy can dream.

Prokhor Zakharov
Dec 31, 2008

This is me as I make another great post


Good luck with your depression!

davidspackage posted:

Heard about the arrest of Shkreli on the car radio yesterday morning and I just started laughing and singing. Maybe he'll come out of it just fine but a guy can dream.

Right now, from what I understand, it's looking real real bad for him. When the feds get involved they play for keeps, (their prosecutors have like a 97% success rate or some bonkers number) and since he's like $60 million in the hole he's prolly looking at around 20ish years if the charges stick.

Radio Paranoia
Jun 27, 2010

It is now safe to turn off your computer.

Male Tears posted:

Gift from my GBS Secret Santa. When I showed my friends, they asked if it was from the Reddit Secret Santa. I don't blame them. Maybe I'll do the GWS Secret Santa instead next year.



Holy poo poo, David Benatar was my ethics lecturer in uni known for his very persuasive talks on vegetarianism that usually converted half the faculty every year. :stare:

Scathach
Apr 4, 2011

You know that thing where you sleep on your arm funny and when you wake up it's all numb? Yeah that's my whole world right now.


Prokhor Zakharov posted:

Right now, from what I understand, it's looking real real bad for him. When the feds get involved they play for keeps, (their prosecutors have like a 97% success rate or some bonkers number) and since he's like $60 million in the hole he's prolly looking at around 20ish years if the charges stick.

Haaaa this is delightful.

NVB
Jan 23, 2010

Grimey Drawer

Prokhor Zakharov posted:

Right now, from what I understand, it's looking real real bad for him. When the feds get involved they play for keeps, (their prosecutors have like a 97% success rate or some bonkers number) and since he's like $60 million in the hole he's prolly looking at around 20ish years if the charges stick.

Oh man the plot just get's better and better. More or less he's pretty much screwed himself bernie maddoff style.

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Apr 29, 2009

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loving lol

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/lawyer-for-martin-shkreli-hikes-fees-five-thousand-per-cent

quote:

A criminal lawyer representing Turing Pharmaceuticals chief Martin Shkreli has informed his client that he is raising his hourly legal fees by five thousand per cent, the lawyer has confirmed.

Minutes after Shkreli’s arrest on charges of securities fraud, the attorney, Harland Dorrinson, announced that he was hiking his fees from twelve hundred dollars an hour to sixty thousand dollars.

Shkreli, who reportedly received the news about the price hike while he was being fingerprinted, cried foul and accused his attorney of “outrageous and inhumane price gouging.”

“This is the behavior of a sociopath,” Shkreli was heard screaming.

For his part, Shkreli’s lawyer was unmoved by his client’s complaint. “Compared to what he pays for an hour of Wu-Tang Clan, sixty thou is a bargain,” he said.

Dachshundofdoom
Feb 14, 2013

Pillbug

Holy loving poo poo, that's pure poetry.

Also hahaha, even his own lawyer can't pretend he feels anything but utter contempt for this piece of poo poo.

VVVIt's okay, you brought joy to my life briefly (I kinda guessed it was fake since it was filed under humor, but I wanted to believe)

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The Saddest Rhino
Apr 29, 2009

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oh shoot, i'm the idiot because i didn't realise the Borowitz Report is a satirical column :(

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?
That would be loving amazing though. Feed him some of his own medicine. It's completely unrealistical but boy do I want to see it happen.

Also :laffo: at that secret santa gift.

Pretty good
Apr 16, 2007



The Saddest Rhino posted:

oh shoot, i'm the idiot because i didn't realise the Borowitz Report is a satirical column :(
Oh man the world was a beautiful place for a moment. :( Still looking forward to seeing the little poo poo get steamrolled.

Bismuth
Jun 11, 2010

by Azathoth
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Redrum and Coke
Feb 25, 2006

wAstIng 10 bUcks ON an aVaTar iS StUpid

Male Tears posted:

This was our exchange:


He bought both books new at a total of $47, plus gift-wrapping, plus next day shipping. He spent a lot of money to send something AUG instead of something nice.

You both sound like annoying fuckwits so I think you should try to stay in touch.

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