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Factory reset seems to have done the trick- I skipped a lot of the initial set up in the AT&T store when the phone first booted, I think that was my mistake. For anyone with a dual-SIM 950, is there a way to have your phone forget that its dual-sim? I don't really want two dialers, two messaging apps, etc.
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Jewmanji posted:Factory reset seems to have done the trick- I skipped a lot of the initial set up in the AT&T store when the phone first booted, I think that was my mistake. For anyone with a dual-SIM 950, is there a way to have your phone forget that its dual-sim? I don't really want two dialers, two messaging apps, etc. You can't get rid of the top icon, but you can go into the phone and messaging apps and "link" them, so they are one tile and entry in the start menu.
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The complaining about the extraneous top icon is pretty prevalent, so I suspect an option will get patched in sooner or later. For myself I rather motivated getting the 950 for myself with the dual-SIM nature, as I should be able to save a lot of money by switching to a lot cheaper almost-no-data plan with my main carrier (which has the coverage I sometimes require), and a cheap data-only account with another carrier. Will see how that pans out for me, but on paper it is looking very good.
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Thanks all for the advice. Last question- if an app is greyed out on the start screen, but doesn't appear in the proper app list, and is considered installed when you see it from the marketplace, is the only recourse to hard reset again? I'm experiencing this even with some core apps (i.e. the Reminders app for Cortana, and Data Sense).
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WattsvilleBlues posted:This really pisses me off with Microsoft. Instead of just putting a fingerprint scanner in there which would be much faster and more reliable, they force in something that's clearly not ready. My partner has worked as a contractor for MS more than once over the years, and she has exactly the same kind of issues with them. It can be boiled down to: MS are really good at innovating, and overwhelmingly poo poo at execution. When you consider that they were exploring the digital PA market years ago—albeit limited by technology—it's kind of impressive. Of course, they then hosed up the execution wildly, and what we actually got was Clippy. Time and time again they have proved their ability to arrive at an excellent concept, and then progressively ruin it. As someone who went WP 7.5 > 7.8 > 8 > 8.1, I honestly feel that the OS has primarily regressed rather than progressed, and reports I've read of 10 are bearing up that theory. It's enormously frustrating. Which, really, is why my four year dalliance with WP has come to an end, I've drunk the KoolAid (helped along by a workhorse 925 that just decided to completely poo poo the bed) and moved to iPhone. My work uses Apple desktops/laptops almost exclusively, so I'm enjoying the integration factor there, I'll admit. I can see why people call it a glorified app launcher, but not having to fudge workarounds to get basic functionality is nice. The battery life on the 6 is far better than my 925, too, especially with the FB Messenger app which, for Reasons, is one my primary ones. Skype call quality still beats FaceTime audio, hands down, though. One of these days I might try another concerted effort to resurrect the 925 and put 10 on it, but an entire morning was unsuccessful before, so... 
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Yeah, after a day of use, I can join the chorus in saying that WM10 was simply not ready for release. It feels loose and jittery in the way Android use to (or still sometimes does). Any feature from WP8.1 that has migrated over seem to work less smoothly- tiles don't update as automatically, texts don't send as quickly, the touch sensitivity of the screen hasn't been optimized, some settings menus look like they were out of an alpha build, the messaging app is now noticeably harder to use, and on and on. There have been some nice improvements- calendar and mail feel like they'll be great in about 6 months, and Edge is a few updates away from being fantastic. Just having Reading List sync between my phone and PC is incredible (and a feature I thought we were going to see in WP8 with the Reading List app, alas...) I'll also just say as a sidenote, that the demo configuration that all of the phones have in the stores are terrible, and make the phones look like absolute poo poo (helped in no part by the ugly new Windows 10 logo being used as a background). A lot of my misgivings about WP10's style faded once I set it up the way I like it. I don't think they'll be attracting many new customers with those demo units.
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Jewmanji posted:Yeah, after a day of use, I can join the chorus in saying that WM10 was simply not ready for release. It feels loose and jittery in the way Android use to (or still sometimes does). Any feature from WP8.1 that has migrated over seem to work less smoothly- tiles don't update as automatically, texts don't send as quickly, the touch sensitivity of the screen hasn't been optimized, some settings menus look like they were out of an alpha build, the messaging app is now noticeably harder to use, and on and on. There have been some nice improvements- calendar and mail feel like they'll be great in about 6 months, and Edge is a few updates away from being fantastic. Just having Reading List sync between my phone and PC is incredible (and a feature I thought we were going to see in WP8 with the Reading List app, alas...) I moved to Iphone when the 6S+ came out, but I put WM10 on my 930 back in June and it was fairly obvious they weren't going to be ready in time. It has massive issues, and plenty of retarded design decisions. The 930 was a solid follow up to the 920 but I feel like Microsoft lost the plot after the 930 and 8.1 came out.
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Jewmanji posted:I don't think they'll be attracting many new customers with those demo units. Hardcore Microsoft fan and the 950 demos turned me away. Someone in the company is actively calling us garbage and idiots, and I heard the screaming with the poorly constructed hardware running bobo software. I'm very much married to getting an Android next where no matter the faults I can tell they actually care and want to get better.
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Oh also if anyone is curious, getting an unlocked, dual-SIM 950 from Microsoft will make it impossible to get visual voicemail. Hooray.
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For anyone who still cares, it's possible to trick WM10 phones that can't install the HERE apps into installing them as (loosely) described here. (Including links to useable .xap files for Here Maps and Transit) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64265723&postcount=32 (Files for Here Drive+) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=62919886&postcount=1 (Files for Here City Lens) http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64266237&postcount=35 The gist of the trick is to modify the apps so that they can be installed but breaks their ability to actually work. Fortunately, this doesn't require jailbreaking as initially described in that thread which is currently broken at the moment. In any case since these apps are out of date, the store can be prompted to send an update that (after initially failing and then uninstalling the broken apps) proceeds to install the app. Convoluted for sure and that post describing the process is frustratingly light on details (and I had to do a hard reset of my phone) but at least it's something and it works. To install the broken apps, this can be used to avoid having to install Visual Studio. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64156909 To modify WMAppManifest.xml, this can be used. Just delete everything under <Capabilities> http://www.windowsphonehacker.com/articles/xap_manifest_tool_for_developers-11-09-11 You can also append the .xap files with .zip extensions, extract WMAppManifest.xml, edit it with your text editor of choice, repack with the edited .xml file, and turn it back into a .xap file. Now the store won't automatically prompt for an update hence the link to the app's store page. Once you get to the app's store page, you'll be prompted to update. Of course, the HERE apps have been unlisted from search but you can still get to the store page by going to your app library.
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Edward IV posted:For anyone who still cares, it's possible to trick WM10 phones that can't install the HERE apps into installing them as (loosely) described here. (Including links to useable .xap files for Here Maps and Transit) Ladies and Gentlemen, the shark is jumped. Is this where you thought WPhone would end up? Well done MS, you hosed it.
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I think my favorite feature of WP10 is when I'm attaching photos to a text or e-mail, the touch targets are so messed up that when you click on one photo, a completely different photo will be checked, and it will take 3-5 attempts to get the right one, or backing out of the attachments window entirely and trying again. Also why on Earth, when clicking on highlighted date/time in an email/text does it bring up a whole new card for creating a calendar item, instead of letting Cortana handle it as was handled in 8.1? How many new "features" like this did Microsoft create at the expense of optimizing the existing features? On the positive side, the camera is lightning fast and 60 fps slow motion is awesome. Also it's great to have an OLED screen again.
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Maps uses HERE as the backend and today's update brought lane guidance and traffic cameras. It's really slick. Maybe I don't get the obsession over HERE Drive. I used it for years and it was fine, just nothing magical. And I understand the post is intended to call out the lunacy of why it won't install (which I fully agree with - it's totally ridiculous). It's pretty obvious Microsoft is rolling forward with it's "Maps" being the Google Maps for Windows Phone. That's cool with me - it works pretty good so far and is being actively developed.
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Went and returned my Lumia 950 today at the Microsoft Store. Employee at the store said they had a bunch of 950/950XL's come back because of terrible battery life, random reboots, or running way too hot. Almost walked out with a 640XL for $249 but instead bought an Android (Huawei Ascend Mate 2) for $200. Has almost the exact same specs (Snapdragon 400, 720p 6.1" screen, 13 MP camera), basically your average midrange smartphone/phablet. After an update to Android 5.1, I've got to say I'm pretty impressed. The phone is pretty quick and it doesn't seem as slow as I was expecting and is a bit faster than my now broken 640. I have to get used to what sort of apps I need to replace the cool windows phone things (cortana reading texts over bluetooth), but I've downloaded Outlook, Onedrive, Office, Groove... hell Microsoft even has a start screen replacement called Arrow Launcher for android. The complaint is that Android slows down after a while, guess I'll see how that works. I'll probably pick up a 950/950xl once Windows 10 is fleshed out and all the bugs are worked out of the system.
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hotsauce posted:Maps uses HERE as the backend and today's update brought lane guidance and traffic cameras. It's really slick. I really don't like how Maps works in regards to driving. Unless I'm missing something, Maps won't go into driving view unless you give it a destination you want to go to. Sometimes I don't want to plug in my destination but I still like to have the driving view so I know what is coming up and gives me speed limit information. And then trying to fiddle with stuff while driving can be frustrating as there are some things that just aggravates the problems even more. Going from 3D to 2D view is this unnecessarily long animation and going back to 3D requires two button pushes which is absurd considering the previous operation only needs one. Plus the buttons are comparatively smaller and harder to hit than Here Drive though Here wasn't designed for the 950's and 950XL's screen in mind. Oh yeah, and it looks like those buttons are hidden when you first go into driving mode. If I pause and resume voice navigation, they then become available. And I don't know if they fixed this but say you re-position the map to take a look around while stopped at a light. In Here Drive when you start moving, it would automatically transition to the 3D view and center back on you. Not so with Maps which can be incredibly frustrating as you frantically trying to find where you are on the map while driving. Again, pausing and resuming seems to do the trick but it's stupid when Here Drive does it automatically when you move and can quickly transition between views with a single button press. I know, I shouldn't be messing with my phone while driving but it doesn't excuse the app for being so hard to use in its intended function. Also, I missed My Commutes since it actually learns my commuting routes instead of giving me what it thinks is the best route to and from work every single time I ask it for directions so I can track my commute and ETA. And it's doubly frustrating because my commute is mostly local with a lot of side routes and particular traffic flow that I try to avoid so the route it gives me is crap and I can't count on its ETA until well into two-thirds of the way into my commute.
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Generally there is nothing more annoying than things getting worse over time, and WP10 is currently packed with that sort of thing. The touch response is actually pretty annoyingly fiddly compared to my 920. Picks up movements I make just after I lift my finger from the glas or just before I put it down etc, causing things to feel like they are jumping around during normal use. Near as I can tell there is no longer any setting for adjusting it? On the other hand my 950 does not get the least bit hot but seems to run fine anyway, so not all is bad. Also enjoying myself far more than I did on my Z3 v  v
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:The touch response is actually pretty annoyingly fiddly compared to my 920. Picks up movements I make just after I lift my finger from the glas or just before I put it down etc, causing things to feel like they are jumping around during normal use. Near as I can tell there is no longer any setting for adjusting it? Yeah, I've noticed this too. The start screen seems well configured, but a bunch of apps (photos, email etc.) suffer from lots of errant taps, touches and drags.
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I think my Lumia Icon is giving up the ghost: it's losing audio and mic intermittently, and this issue is resolved only with a reboot. Woke up late this morning (no audio) and missed three phone calls (no ringing sound). I hate to ask in this thread, but any recommendations on a new non-Windows Phone phone on Verizon? 
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Jewmanji posted:Thanks all for the advice. Last question- if an app is greyed out on the start screen, but doesn't appear in the proper app list, and is considered installed when you see it from the marketplace, is the only recourse to hard reset again? I'm experiencing this even with some core apps (i.e. the Reminders app for Cortana, and Data Sense). So I just did a hard reset to see if any of these things would install and I'm still out of luck. On the initial setup, Twitter was experiencing this same issue and seemed to work the second time around, but I'm still unable to use Data Sense, Storage Sense, and the Cortana Reminders. Anyone have any last advice before I return this piece of poo poo?
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Got my free display dock in today, so now I get to use continuum for real. It's kinda cool. I'm typing up this post in Awful with it right now, using a wireless Logitech keyboard that I plugged into one of the USB slots with. It all just worked, including the trackpad and multimedia keys. I'm not liking how some of the fonts look when it's being rendered on my monitor though. Maybe it's app specific, but the way the thin fonts look through continuum, and how they look on the normal desktop versions, are different and kinda off putting. But the fact it functions as well as it does is at least one very legit nice thing to say about Windows Mobile 10... sure, it's still not very practical (Although once Slack goes UWP, I might use it to host my slack chats), but right now it's still a function in search of a use case.
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Drastic Actions posted:but right now it's still a function in search of a use case. This sums up a lot of Windows 10 - Microsoft have some great innovative ideas, but most people aren't gonna use the Universal Apps when on a desktop. And as much as people are shifting over to tablets ("PC: THE END IS NIGH" seems to be a news-worthy story every other week), for the most part PC users, even a fairly-committed Microsoft user like myself, just aren't gonna use them. Although I might get a Surface Book or a Surface Pro if they go on the cheap, might be useful for university. Then I suppose using Universal apps won't be such a horrible user experience.
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DarkMalfunction posted:This sums up a lot of Windows 10 - Microsoft have some great innovative ideas, but most people aren't gonna use the Universal Apps when on a desktop. And as much as people are shifting over to tablets ("PC: THE END IS NIGH" seems to be a news-worthy story every other week), for the most part PC users, even a fairly-committed Microsoft user like myself, just aren't gonna use them. I got a SP3 for school and it is really good for that role. I take a lot of notes using the pen and OneNote and the type cover is functional. I have no real complaints. I find myself using S mid of traditional desktop apps and UWP apps though, mostly office 2013 and Steam for desktop. Media is where UWP makes sense. Although the Facebook app is so bad I've started using the browser again. What is this, 2008? In summary, if you get a Surface for school you will not be disappointed.
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I was loving my Lumia 950 until yesterday, my phone is draining the poo poo out of it's battery causing it to get hot and die in the middle of the day. It's been off the charger for 3 hours and I'm already at less than 50% battery. What the gently caress. Also every time I boot it up it gives me a message about "low storage" when I only have used up 9GB out of 21GB. I've read that updating the phone fixes this but I just get an error when I try, well done Microsoft.
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CharlesM posted:Can you downgrade a 950 to 8.1? HAAAA! Put this in One Sentence Reviews!
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s.i.r.e. posted:Also every time I boot it up it gives me a message about "low storage" when I only have used up 9GB out of 21GB.
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Cortana finally got enabled in Canada today. Is there a combination of settings for Phone 8.1 or am I stuck with US English? Edit: Two restarts but yes it will work if you set both Region and Language to Canada / English (Canada). Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Dec 17, 2015 |
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Has anyone had any luck getting a VPN from one of the popular providers (PIA, Vypr, Proxy.sh) to work on Phone 8.1? I'm sure support is better in 10 but I'm stuck here for at least a month. The store doesn't have the mythical SSL VPN app so I appear to be stuck with L2TP.
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s.i.r.e. posted:I was loving my Lumia 950 until yesterday, my phone is draining the poo poo out of it's battery causing it to get hot and die in the middle of the day. It's been off the charger for 3 hours and I'm already at less than 50% battery. What the gently caress. Also every time I boot it up it gives me a message about "low storage" when I only have used up 9GB out of 21GB. This should all be fixed in the update that was updated today. Yeah, I know recursive sentence but the updated the update to prevent the error when a small amount of 950s tried to install it.
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DarkMalfunction posted:This sums up a lot of Windows 10 - Microsoft have some great innovative ideas, but most people aren't gonna use the Universal Apps when on a desktop. Why not? If you're a developer writing an app that's destined to run in windowed mode on Windows 10 desktop, you have a few choices: 1. Write it in .NET using Winforms. This technology still exists, still is supported, but hasn't been updated for years. 2. Write it in .NET using WPF. This technology still exists, still is supported, has had minor updates over the past few years for high-DPI stuff and touch. 3. Write it in .NET using the "Universal Windows Platform". This technology is the latest newest one, is what's used to power the Start menu and parts of new Office apps. It offers the fastest+smoothest UIs. It's not as full-featured ("bloated") as WPF, but works and runs in fundamentally the same way. It offers in-the-box easy-to-use installer, telemetry/analytics, app purchase, in-app-purchases. It frees you as a developer from the pain of ensuring that your customers have installed the exact right version of .NET. It makes it easier to share the code of your desktop app with the "backend webservices" you write that run on Linux, or with the OSX version of your app. The main limitation is that it can't "hook into the system" -- it's specifically aimed for self-contained apps, rather than systemwide powerups (like Explorer right-click context menu extensions, or system tray stuff, or background tasks, or filesystem-scanners). 4. Write it in C++/DirectX, or C++/UWP, or C++/win32, or C++/MVC. 5. Write it in JavaScript using Apache Cordova or similar I was at a recent conference where Mary Jo Foley told line-of-business developers, "start examining option 3 [universal windows apps] for your apps right now because it's a solid bet for the future". Basically, universal windows apps are just a nicer way to develop+deploy+consume for a very large class of applications -- even if you the developer or consumer only care about desktop and don't give a hoot about how the app will work on Mobile. Already the rate of adoption of option 3 is high amongst developers. It'll take a few years for the pipeline to run through (i.e. the time between now when developers start working on this new platform, and the time when eventually popular apps come out). But I'm certain when that pipeline comes through we'll see lots of folks running Universal Apps on the desktop, simply because that's what the developer of the app preferred to write, and what the consumer of the app found easiest to install. Now the thing is, the development tools go out of the way to make it so when you write your app to run in a resizable window on the desktop, then by default it will also run on Windows 10 Mobile. It might not be the best most fluid touch-first experience, but it will run. You as a developer would have to go out of your way to stop it from working on Mobile. [disclaimer: I'm on the .NET team at Microsoft, with specific responsibility for UWP]
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Shumagorath posted:Has anyone had any luck getting a VPN from one of the popular providers (PIA, Vypr, Proxy.sh) to work on Phone 8.1? I'm sure support is better in 10 but I'm stuck here for at least a month. The store doesn't have the mythical SSL VPN app so I appear to be stuck with L2TP.
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By the way, I am still on 10586.0, in Scandinavia, does anyone know if this is a matter of a staggered roll-out not having got here or is it caused by some issue? Also, on that subject, is Windows Insider still running on WP10 or is it now irrelevant?
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ljw1004 posted:The main limitation is that it can't "hook into the system" -- it's specifically aimed for self-contained apps, rather than systemwide powerups (like Explorer right-click context menu extensions, or system tray stuff, or background tasks, or filesystem-scanners). Seems like this is a hang up, no? I'm struggling to think of a desktop program I've installed lately that doesn't use one of these. This means stuff like Evernote (must be running background task to stay synced? would seem to rule out a huge class of cloud-synced apps...), any media program (upon installation, can they scan for media files of the appropriate type to add to your library?). "Must not run a background task, scan the file system, or live in the system tray" just seems to be incredibly restrictive of programs that aren't games (and a PC game isn't going to be a universal app anyway, obviously). Am I missing something or did I misinterpret what those functions would be used for?
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RVProfootballer posted:Seems like this is a hang up, no? I'm struggling to think of a desktop program I've installed lately that doesn't use one of these. This means stuff like Evernote (must be running background task to stay synced? would seem to rule out a huge class of cloud-synced apps...), any media program (upon installation, can they scan for media files of the appropriate type to add to your library?). "Must not run a background task, scan the file system, or live in the system tray" just seems to be incredibly restrictive of programs that aren't games (and a PC game isn't going to be a universal app anyway, obviously). Am I missing something or did I misinterpret what those functions would be used for? UWP apps can (and do) have background tasks. So I think it's just mixed up terminology here. They can fire on intervals or when a push notification is received, and more. And so long as you allow it in in your apps manifest, it can access the file system and your media libraries. VLC for Windows Store does that: When you start the app, it starts scanning for movies and music to start loading up your library. And there is nothing stopping you from not releasing versions of your app on the store. If you have a game, and don't want or have a phone version, you don't have to release it. UWP enables one package across all platforms, but it's not a requirement. It just makes it easier to do it. And for system tray stuff; I think Live Titles are much easier to implement and use. While you lose the raw power of coming up with your own system tray icon and making it 100% custom, actually maintaining a live tiles code is much easier. And with jump lists working for UWP apps (both in the tile and on the start bar), you can get a good approximation of system tray functions IMO. Drastic Actions fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Dec 17, 2015 |
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If I wanted to write an app that didn't integrate with the system and had easy distribution and analytics and was self contained and cross platform, I would write a web app. If I want to integrate with the system, then I can't use uwp. Live tiles and system tray icons do not solve the same problems. It's troubling that Microsoft people can't see that.
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I still find the UI sucks when using a keyboard/mouse only. And, for example, why would I use an app for a newspaper, or even SA here, when I can just open it in a browser, where it's optimised for m/kb? Sure, on a tablet or phone, I'd use the app over Edge any day (god's sakes, Youtube's mobile website sucks rear end, I still hate Google for the whole YT app debacle) - but the big buttons and large areas really aren't too conducive to being used with a m/kb. Of course this my opinion, and I totally agree, as you said, that the ease of deployment will make lots of businesses switch over, and over time UI always improves, on any platform - just compare any pre-95 Windows OS to a more recent one. I'm guessing that it will just settle into a nice equilibrium of traditional Sys32 apps (I'm guessing gaming will be a stronghold here) and UWP one day. I just personally can't stand some of the UWP apps on a desktop (W10 Mail and News apps, looking very strongly at you.)
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To piggy back a bit on that, I thought the whole point of the universal app thing, at least from WP's point of view, is that all these programs made for the hundreds of millions of Windows desktops and laptops will be automatically compatible with WP, so then the app store will stop sucking. However, there seem to be more restrictions on universal apps than I expected (though being not in any way a developer, I have no idea if I'm misunderstanding). When Evernote or Steam or Dropbox or Cisco VPN or Google Music or I guess I can see how the universal app stuff is nice for some small indie dev starting from scratch, but I don't really understand how it is going to make the Windows store suck less. People designing for desktop/laptop Windows won't distribute through the store, won't or won't want to restrict their programs to be compatible with the UWP stuff, people using desktops/laptops will keep installing normal programs rather than use the Windows store, and Windows Phone users will still be stuck with a lovely app store. (I'm probably missing stuff, as I don't even know if universal apps care about ARM vs. Intel and other really basic things, but I'm genuinely curious to understand it better!)
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CalvinandHobbes posted:This should all be fixed in the update that was updated today. Yeah, I know recursive sentence but the updated the update to prevent the error when a small amount of 950s tried to install it. My phone says it's on the most recent update, and it checked for any updates this morning. Seems like I'm SOL. Should I just reset this thing and update again?
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My new Lumia 950 gave me about 12 hours of what I would consider relatively light usage today (under similar circumstances I think my 920 would've lasted 18). Should I exchange the phone, or the battery?
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Lumia 1520, Windows Phone 8.1. Why does xbox music take forever to load up an album in my collection? I'll select the artist and the screen will just be black for 20 seconds or so before the album art and track list display.
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