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Chuck Boone posted:As was pointed out earlier in the thread, the MUD published an outline of some of the measures it wanted to take in the National Assembly this year. The outline can be found here in Spanish. Your translation is decent even though it'll still need a bit of Editorial TLC here and there. "Pechar" is a valid (albeit extravagant) verb in the sense of "[subject] being responsible for [object]", but I can't issue a correction to the sentence that contains it because I'm not versed enough in Economy to understand the effects of companies' capital increase in market prices, as the sources I found about the topic rather told me more about the strain it can put on older shareholders. Where I can issue a correction, though, is to the paragraph preceding the Tenancy Encouragement Law: quote:[...] Underlined additions following the strike-through phrases they replace if they have any to, and always open for rephrasing. The main idea of the wording in the paragraph is to remind in a respectful way about how the residence leasing regulations in the last few years has done a great job killing the leasing market: For reference, by designing the measures so strongly in favor of the tenants, to the point they pretty much had all the rights to decide and dispute when to leave a rented place even in the times a landlord should have them (not rent payment received in months, damage to the property, the safety of the neighborhood being compromised, to name a few), it dissuaded almost anyone willing to put a residence for rent from doing so out of fear of losing it in the same way as putting a "Free Home" sign on it would. Other than that, the document states most of what's not surprising from the MUD and I have to agree it sounds very Centrist, but that's basically of what's expected of a conglomerate of parties with different political philosophies forced to be united from an desperate situation.
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Anti-corruption campaigns are often quite dangerous for national institutions. Yes, the previous regime was corrupt as gently caress; what is to stop the next regime from blaming every problem upon the past and enacting an anticorruption drive which incentivizes individuals to hide away as much as they can while they can?
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I've been hearing whispers that a court in New York state is going to issue, or will issue, an arrest warrant for Diosdado Cabello and a group of military officers over their alleged involvement in the drug trafficking industry in the country. There have been rumours going back a while now that Cabello heads the Cartel de los Soles. It's likely Hugo Carvajal's (now a National Assembly deputy-elect) arrest in Aruba last year as part of an operation involving the same organization. Cilia Flores' nephews are still under arrest pending the start of their trial in New York, and I wonder what they told authorities when they waved life in prison terms in front of them. Here's a video taken at a Makro supermarket in Valle de la Pascua, Guarico state earlier this week. It shows hundreds of people stampeding towards the supermarket's front doors in the hopes of making it into the store first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7-mTb6lA6A AstraSage posted:Your translation is decent even though it'll still need a bit of Editorial TLC here and there. Thank you for this! I did struggle a lot with the tenancy stuff. A lot of that vocabulary was completely new for me, and I only have a basic knowledge of those concepts/terms in English. I appreciate the corrections. My Imaginary GF posted:Anti-corruption campaigns are often quite dangerous for national institutions. Yes, the previous regime was corrupt as gently caress; what is to stop the next regime from blaming every problem upon the past and enacting an anticorruption drive which incentivizes individuals to hide away as much as they can while they can? The PSUV spent a good 10+ years blaming la Cuarta Republica ["the Fourth Republic", the time before Chavez was elected] for basically everything. When Maduro came to power, and specially over the last year or so, the go-to scapegoat has been the CIA/Mossad/the US government/international and domestic terrorists. As to the second part of your question, corrupt PSUV officials have already been hiding away as much as possible for years. I suppose it might turn out that they intensify their stealing in anticipation of the day the axe falls, but it could also be the case that they slow down for the same reason.
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Dec 15, 2015 20:50
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Respect for the rule of law and the security of investments and personal plans is really as fundamental a value as democracy or civil liberties themselves. Getting corruption under control and rationalizing the redistribution system have to be priority number one no matter what the negative externalities are. The difference between "we have decided that we need to pay $X in benefits to the poor and are raising taxes on the rich by $Y to do so" and "for the next 24 hours anyone gets to keep whatever they can loot!" is the difference between a functional welfare state and basket case socialism. Moving from the latter to the former is the entire issue in Venezuela right now. This is often lost in the metaphysical debate between "capitalism" and "communism" -- the way you implement the mixed economy that is the actual fact in every real country is much more important than these abstractions.
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Dec 15, 2015 22:04
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So in recent news Diosdado Maldonado set up an alternative to the current legislative branch which is the National Assembly: the National Communal Parlament. There's really zero legitimate reason behind the move. It has no precedence nor is it constitutionally legal to set up. There's a lot of fear that this group is being put together to sidestep the National Assembly and form a shadow government of some sort in it's stead.
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Dec 16, 2015 05:32
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CalmDownMate posted:So in recent news Diosdado If anyone has the slightest idea what this new assembly-within-assembly is supposed to do and how, please tell me because I really don't know. This is how Cabello summed up their responsibilities yesterday: quote:It is up to you – the communes – in this National Communal Parliament that is being installed as of right now (…) to debate the points you have to debate, the proposals we make to our colleague President Nicolas Maduro. We have to help our colleague President Nicolas Maduro. Our colleague President Nicolas Maduro has a difficult job — or better said, we, the people, have a difficult job. I look forward to the Venezuelanalysis and Telesur articles in a month saying "Right wing National Assembly eliminates Communal Parliament, ignores people's voice!" when this absurdity gets revoked. The other thing that the National Assembly did yesterday was promote Susana Barreiros to the title of Public Defender. She's now in charge of the department that oversees public defenders throughout the country. You'll remember that Barreiros is the judge who sentenced Leopoldo Lopez to nearly 14 years in prison back in September after an absolute disgrace of a trial. The promotion is just a tad less conspicuous than if Barreiros had received a huge sack with a dollar sign on it immediately at the conclusion of the trial. But just a tad.
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Chuck Boone posted:If anyone has the slightest idea what this new assembly-within-assembly is supposed to do and how, please tell me because I really don't know. It's to give the Communal Councils a voice in making policy decisions at the national level. What's wrong with giving grassroots activists a bigger say in what goes on?
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Dec 17, 2015 00:58
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Borneo Jimmy posted:It's to give the Communal Councils a voice in making policy decisions at the national level. What's wrong with giving grassroots activists a bigger say in what goes on? Chuck Boone posted:I look forward to the Venezuelanalysis and Telesur articles in a month saying "Right wing National Assembly eliminates Communal Parliament, ignores people's voice!" when this absurdity gets revoked. Not quite the same thing, but pretty on point.
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Dec 17, 2015 01:17
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Maduro is already calling out the MUD because there are still lines everywhere and they haven't fixed anything lol
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El Hefe posted:Maduro is already calling out the MUD because there are still lines everywhere and they haven't fixed anything lol Have they even taken office yet?
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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:Have they even taken office yet? not until January
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El Hefe posted:not until January Truly the PSUV's loss is a huge blow to the Global Left.
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Constitutional lawyers are already coming out and condemning the whole NCC nonsense. Juan Manuel Rafalli is a constitutional lawyer and professor at the Universidad Catolica Andres Bello , and he summed up the body in an interview with El Nacional:quote:What the commune law establishes is something that can be applied in very time-specific cases and in very specific situations. When it comes to he law, propping up a body to operate above the National Assembly is unconstitutional. Maduro said on his weekly television show last night that the NCC would have full legislative powers. Rafalli also provided the obvious answer to the question, "Why is the PSUV doing this?": quote:If the executive branch insists on applying this, it would be an attack on our institutions and on the rule of law. I think that this is all part of a political play to try to dull the results of the December 6 elections. What makes this whole thing even more ridiculous is that the NCC was created at the last meeting of a five year session, and after the spanking the PSUV got on December 6. You'd have to be willfully blind or delusional to think that this has anything to do with "giving people a voice". It's nothing but a pathetic attempt to throw a wrench in the new National Assembly's wheels. The NCC is going to be revoked or ignored, Venezuelanalysis and Telesur will have a fit, and the kool-aid drinking PSUV supporters in the country and abroad will have another fictitious bone to pick with the MUD.
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Chuck Boone posted:Constitutional lawyers are already coming out and condemning the whole NCC nonsense. Juan Manuel Rafalli is a constitutional lawyer and professor at the Universidad Catolica Andres Bello , and he summed up the body in an interview with El Nacional: Authoritarians will attempt to seize as much power as you allow them to. How will Venezuela prevent the fascists from seizing power?
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I wonder if they even realise that they don't represent "the people" anymore. "The people" want them out.
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wiregrind posted:I wonder if they even realise that they don't represent "the people" anymore. "The people" want them out. Maduro straight up insulted "the people" after the election. They know their support is limited and they're trying keep power without tipping things into outright rebellion. The rumors about the army not being willing to go to bat for them might be part of that.
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Dec 17, 2015 07:00
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What prevents the legislature from just ignoring anything this committee tries to do?
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In a setback for the PSUV, the law firm handling both Campo Flores's defence and a lawsuit by the Venezuelan government against the owner sof the DolarToday website just withdrew from both cases after getting some bad publicity.  http://www.alt-m.org/2015/12/16/venezuela-v-reality/
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Dec 17, 2015 13:12
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-Troika- posted:What prevents the legislature from just ignoring anything this committee tries to do? Legally, nothing. Not only is the NCC unconstitutional, but with a 2/3 majority the MUD should be able to side-step it without any trouble. The issue is going to come from the fact that some supporters are going to cry foul when that happens, which is going to create more chaos for absolutely no good reason. The NCC deal is silly not only because of how illegal it is, but also because of the pretense used to justify it: giving people a voice when it comes to legislative matters. That's exactly what the National Assembly is for. We just had elections, and the people's voice spoke overwhelmingly for the MUD. For the past five years, while the PSUV controlled the National Assembly, the people had enough voice; now that they've lost it, they suddenly need more of a voice? It's a ridiculous argument.
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Would it make more sense to... not shut the NCC down? And just ignore it? If the idea is to have a stick to beat the MUD with when the National Assembly shuts the NCC down, but it's basically powerless, then what's the point?
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GunnerJ posted:Would it make more sense to... not shut the NCC down? And just ignore it? If the idea is to have a stick to beat the MUD with when the National Assembly shuts the NCC down, but it's basically powerless, then what's the point? I think the idea is to dissolve the national assembly before MUD takes their seats.
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Yeah I think it's naive to think this Communal House or whatever is going to be powerless.
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So wait, am I misunderstanding or did the PSUV lose an election then go "nuh uh, we'll set up our own parliament. With blackjack and hookers!" ? How did people get chosen for this wacky "Communal" Council? Appointment? A second set of elections?
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Maduro also threatened to remove the National Guard from parliament and replace them with a colectivo armado even though in the constitution it says it's the national guard's duty to protect public institutions. It's clear that the military aren't going to play ball with the PSUV anymore.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:So wait, am I misunderstanding or did the PSUV lose an election then go "nuh uh, we'll set up our own parliament. With blackjack and hookers!" ? I believe the term you're looking for is coup. The PSUV are attempting to launch a bureaucratic coup against MUD.
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El Hefe posted:Maduro also threatened to remove the National Guard from parliament and replace them with a colectivo armado even though in the constitution it says it's the national guard's duty to protect public institutions. It's clear that the military aren't going to play ball with the PSUV anymore. The military not playing ball makes me hope that the PSUV won't be able to pull this sort of crap much longer. It really does sound like the elections went about as well as can be hoped, and now the PSUV is just desperate to salvage the situation.
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Adventure Pigeon posted:The military not playing ball makes me hope that the PSUV won't be able to pull this sort of crap much longer. It really does sound like the elections went about as well as can be hoped, and now the PSUV is just desperate to salvage the situation. They are like rats on a sinking ship. They would prefer civil war to being held accountable for their crimes. They feel as if the people of Venezuela betrayed them and voted for war after they warned the people of the consequences. One should always take totalitarians at their word when they promise violence, and arm themselves accordingly.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:So wait, am I misunderstanding or did the PSUV lose an election then go "nuh uh, we'll set up our own parliament. With blackjack and hookers!" ? Yes, it's pretty much setting up an insurgent counter-government. Though they have to be aware that their decrees will just be ignored, as they have as much legal force as a person standing on a street corner trying to outlaw Mondays and very little support base willing to take up arms. It's more for the spectacle two months from now of claiming the "people's voice" is being shut down, as fodder for the socialists abroad looking to spin Venezuelan events back in their favor.
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M. Discordia posted:Yes, it's pretty much setting up an insurgent counter-government. Though they have to be aware that their decrees will just be ignored, as they have as much legal force as a person standing on a street corner trying to outlaw Mondays and very little support base willing to take up arms. It's more for the spectacle two months from now of claiming the "people's voice" is being shut down, as fodder for the socialists abroad looking to spin Venezuelan events back in their favor. There's a bit of a stickler: what happens when the chavistas raid the armouries and attempt to enforce those decrees on their own?
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:
They're people from local communal councils who have helped bring participatory democracy to Venezuelans who were previously marginalized and ignored under right wing governments, this is simply bringing these movements to a national level. These groups have been an integral in furthering the Bolivarian Revolution on a local scale for a decade. Borneo Jimmy fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Dec 17, 2015 |
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Dec 17, 2015 23:11
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My Imaginary GF posted:There's a bit of a stickler: what happens when the chavistas raid the armouries and attempt to enforce those decrees on their own? If they really feel like getting themselves killed I won't shed any tears.
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Mr Luxury Yacht posted:So wait, am I misunderstanding or did the PSUV lose an election then go "nuh uh, we'll set up our own parliament. With blackjack and hookers!" ? You're not misunderstanding the situation. This is exactly what is happening. There are thousands of communes around the country. They're essentially community organizations. There's a law that oversees them, and that same law allows for the creation of communal councils to deal with issues on an ad hoc basis. There's no legal mechanism for them to, a) be created on a permanent basis akin to the National Assembly, or b) operate within or even alongside the National Assembly. I guess that groups of communes would elect representatives to this council. I'm not sure how many seats it would even have. No one in the MUD is buying it, of course, for reasons that I've already pointed out. The new National Assembly could try to ignore the NCC, but my guess is that it makes more sense to try to revoke it so that it doesn't become a thorn at their side.
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Borneo Jimmy posted:They're people from local communal councils who have helped bring participatory democracy to Venezuelans who were previously marginalized and ignored under right wing governments, this is simply bringing these movements to a national level. These groups have been an integral in furthering the Bolivarian Revolution on a local scale for a decade. Sounds like a buncha unelected political appointees. Why do you hate democracy, Jimmy? You have to accept that democracy means sometimes you lose.
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What's funny about this situation also is that Maduro et al. made a huge fuss before the election because they wanted the MUD to sign an agreement saying that they would respect the results no matter what. The MUD refused, and Maduro ended up signing it along with the head of the CNE. It's totally fine for Maduro to now create this shadow assembly to try to circumvent the election results because This is the train of thought you have to follow to believe that the NCC is a legitimate body set up for legitimate purposes: "If only there was some mechanism that allowed citizens to elect other citizens to represent them, and for these representatives to meet in a kind of committee where they could propose, debate and vote on legislation. Nothing like that exists in this country, so we really need to come up with something".
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They have finally realized the socialist dream of dissolving the electorate and appointing a new one when it does not perform to the government's expectations.
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Borneo Jimmy posted:They're people from local communal councils who have helped bring participatory democracy to Venezuelans who were previously marginalized and ignored under right wing governments, this is simply bringing these movements to a national level. These groups have been an integral in furthering the Bolivarian Revolution on a local scale for a decade. Are... are you a bot?
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He's basically paid by the PSUV to post, so in a sense, yes, he is.
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If you look at Jimmy as a reflection of brain washed Chavist supporters then he's actually a very informative part of the thread. edit: well, maybe a caricature since even Chavists are tired of Maduro's bullshit by now, he's either honestly being payed or a completely deluded armchair activist. double edit: Yep! thanks for showing the crazy Chavist accusations again, keep up the good work VVV Hugoon Chavez fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Dec 18, 2015 |
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Given that many of the communes have helped Venezuelans of Afro and Indigenous descent, there's a heavy element of racism to the MUD's intention to do away with the Communal Parliment and the Communes altogether Also some of the MUD's economic policies are already encountering resistance http://www.telesurtv.net/english/news/Venezuelan-Workers-Protest-Amid-Privatization-Fears-20151217-0041.html quote:Venezuelan workers protested Thursday against proposed privatization of state assets.
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After months of repeatedly saying that the Venezuelan electoral system is the best in the world and signing a document promising to respect the results of the elections no matter what they were, Maduro is now saying that the opposition created an "evil fraud machine" to steal the election. His latest fever dream revealed to him the existence of "Operation Fanny Pack", which appears to have been an opposition attempt to somehow use violence to win the election. Maduro talked about Operation Fanny Pack at an event commemorating the anniversary of Simon Bolivar's death the other day: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_Q--bp2INM quote:No one can underestimate the success of elections, which was a result of a bunch of circumstances. Some were economic, socio-political, psychological — they were fundamental causes. Others were political; weaknesses in government and leadership, and we’ve pointed them out so that we can correct them.
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