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Cartoon posted:They were just making a snarky remark about posting stuff from the Arsetralian while quoting a very 'interesting' article by an unabashed fuckhead who you should pillory at every opportunity. Now if that was your intention (to pillory Leak) then you probably should look at making sure the context is clearer. yeah sorry usually it'd just be a dumb empty text but i forgot to (Bill Leak) it
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Cartoon posted:In my experience the decision to go off-grid is always economic due to the expense of getting connected to the power grid. Connection prices of $100 000 are not uncommon. That buys a shirt load of battery. Environmentally you don't have the fire hazard, visual pollution and component manufacture impacts of the poles and wire but get a big pile of sometimes very short life batteries. Because batteries are expensive (not compared to getting connected however) and the less power you use the less you need, going off grid solar really makes people get hyper energy efficient. This extends to issues like insulation, building alignment and size. Apparently the average household uses ~ 3 MWh per year/per person. Off grid solar users are consuming around a tenth of that. On that basis it's pretty fair to say, in practice, off grid solar is more environmentally friendly than grid connected. Yes, if you live in a remote area, most definitely. I was talking about people who live in the suburbs or regional areas where there is pre-existing infrastructure.
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Going off grid when you live in the suburbs and already have a connection seems bizarre to me, but I guess that's what I would have thought when people started getting rid of their landline phones.
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Dec 18, 2015 08:08
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hooman posted:Abbott's battles with Assad and Terrorists were conducted with gloves on to create a crowd pleasing show while reducing the chance of inflicting real damage. A scathing critique. The damage that boxing gloves prevent is to the punchers hands, they actually increase the risk of brain trauma, much like the prime ministership of Tony Abbott
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Dec 18, 2015 08:58
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Tokamak posted:Yes, if you live in a remote area, most definitely. Even in the case above the battery cost issue should serve as a signal to reduce consumption overall but a straight line analysis would also be interesting. It can not be overstated just how bad storage batteries are environmentally both during extraction and after disposal. http://www.batteryrecycling.org.au/environmental-impact-of-lithium-ion-batteries https://www.cleanup.org.au/PDF/au/batteries_final.pdf
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Cartoon posted:In which case the only reason would be to opt out of what may become a very expensive to access private monopoly. I haven't found anything yet but I'd be really surprised if someone from the Department of the Environment hadn't done extensive modelling. Solution: every house has a pair of large dams at different heights. During surplus production, water is pumped from the bottom dam to the top. During excess consumption, water moves from the top dam to the bottom powering turbines.
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Spotted in Bendigo Ishka, hollow Abbott books (excuse the phonecam): 
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Birb Katter posted:It's 500m from Redfern station, just because it's not on your side of campus doesn't mean it's not there Bargearse. It does mean it's very far from most of the campus, which is exactly issue. Also means RPA and Broadway won't get connected for another three decades, but hey, Mr Baird is handsome and wants to exile the poor.
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Dec 18, 2015 10:00
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Hi. Nuclear power is good. Racism is bad. Bye.
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Brick Dust Otis posted:Hi. Nuclear power is good. Racism is bad. Bye. Your beliefs are incompatible with every Australian party. Thanks for coming.
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Zenithe posted:Your beliefs are incompatible with every Australian party. Thanks for coming. I don't know, sounds like a match for the Liberal Democrats Party.
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GoldStandardConure posted:I don't know, sounds like a match for the Liberal Democrats Party. The lib dems think ~free speech~ means someone should be able to be racist so no not really fix your views on nuclear power then come back brick dust otis
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GoldStandardConure posted:I don't know, sounds like a match for the Liberal Democrats Party. I should probably ask Bill Leak to confirm but I think Leyonhjelm is pretty racist. http://www.news.com.au/national/pro...2-1226715920623
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Free speech according to the LDP: Are you a corporation? Yes? Do whatever you want master No? Actually, gun control would cause more death than it prevents.
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Solemn Sloth posted:Solution: every house has a pair of large dams at different heights. During surplus production, water is pumped from the bottom dam to the top. During excess consumption, water moves from the top dam to the bottom powering turbines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pumped-storage_hydroelectricity quote:Pumped storage is the largest-capacity form of grid energy storage available, and, as of March 2012, the Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI) reports that PSH accounts for more than 99% of bulk storage capacity worldwide, representing around 127,000 MW.[1] Typically, the round-trip energy efficiency of PSH varies in practice between 70% and 80%,[1][2][3][4] with some claiming up to 87%.[5] The main disadvantage of PHS is the specialist nature of the site required, needing both geographical height and water availability. Suitable sites are therefore likely to be in hilly or mountainous regions, and potentially in areas of outstanding natural beauty, and therefore there are also social and ecological issues to overcome.[6] And here's one neat fact that the drooling fools that keep bleating renewables something something base load power don't want you to know -  It does base load power too.quote:The important use for pumped storage is to level the fluctuating output of intermittent energy sources. The pumped storage provides a load at times of high electricity output and low electricity demand, enabling additional system peak capacity. In certain jurisdictions, electricity prices may be close to zero or occasionally negative (Ontario in early September, 2006), on occasions that there is more electrical generation than load available to absorb it; although at present this is rarely due to wind alone, increased wind generation may increase the likelihood of such occurrences. It is particularly likely that pumped storage will become especially important as a balance for very large scale photovoltaic generation.[9] The biggest problem (after siting) is cost.
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SeekOtherCandidate posted:The lib dems think ~free speech~ means someone should be able to be racist so no not really That's right, I got my wires crossed and thought that Lionhat was against the repeal of 18c, but he's for it isn't he? Carry on.
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Cartoon posted:In which case the only reason would be to opt out of what may become a very expensive to access private monopoly. I haven't found anything yet but I'd be really surprised if someone from the Department of the Environment hadn't done extensive modelling. Tesla's been ramping up on production in an effort to reduce cost, but it also means they have to come up with more ways to sell them. They aren't targeting the remote home owner, but basically everyone. The main uses are both designed to circumvent the way electricity is metered. Either you charge during off-peak to use during peak, or you have solar panels and use them to recharge the batteries directly (if you live in a place with bad feed-in rates). The original poster was interested if Elon Musk's lack of involvement in a popular climate change initiative had anything to do with his battery business supporting decentralised power. That batteries really don't have much to do with decentralised power generation was the main point, and that a Elon Musk future of batteries everywhere isn't really feasible.
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GoldStandardConure posted:That's right, I got my wires crossed and thought that Lionhat was against the repeal of 18c, but he's for it isn't he? He's for the repeal of s18C because he wants to protect freedoms and free speech  while also voting for the government to be able to collect blood or saliva off children and people with disabilities without a guardian or independent witness present because
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Cartoon posted:The biggest problem (after siting) is cost. Are any state governments queuing up to build dams? It could be some weird Franklin Dam full circle if the federal government was trying to make it happen.
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Kegslayer posted:He's for the repeal of s18C because he wants to protect freedoms and free speech Yeah I remember now, I had a minor brain fart, I blame all the medications I am on.
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Solemn Sloth posted:Solution: every house has a pair of large dams at different heights. During surplus production, water is pumped from the bottom dam to the top. During excess consumption, water moves from the top dam to the bottom powering turbines. Wow, look at this fanciful guy thinking Australia has enough water for TWO dams for every household.
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I just don't understand how anyone can think this man is a racist  
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help 11 am and it's already 37c
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Tokamak posted:Tesla's been ramping up on production in an effort to reduce cost, but it also means they have to come up with more ways to sell them. They aren't targeting the remote home owner, but basically everyone. The main uses are both designed to circumvent the way electricity is metered. Either you charge during off-peak to use during peak, or you have solar panels and use them to recharge the batteries directly (if you live in a place with bad feed-in rates). Yes it looks that way and besides even 50% market adoption of rooftop solar and battery in Australia is beyond the wildest dreams of Tesla. Flannery is quoted as expecting 500,000 households in ten years, leaving 8.5 million households on the grid. There is no industry rooftop / battery solution bar one unfinished gigafactory. It's about how the grid's powered. Without coal you're left with nuclear and / or mega renewables. Who's gonna spruik for nuclear in an election year? It's safer to spruik for RECs with the claim they will encourage large renewables projects in some vague way. The Kennedy Energy Park project shows how these things can be stitched up and messed with for years without the public giving a poo poo. So long as "sound" companies like Xstrata get to say who gets the PPA in any given region then it's all good mate. I should probably take some of this to the energy thread to see what I'm missing and what happens in other countries. e: I'm being a bit spergy chicken little - just trying to figure out what Turnbull might try and do. clusterfuck fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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I want to punch Bill Leak.
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Anidav posted:I want to punch Bill Leak. Heh, typical violent lefty loon 
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SynthOrange posted:help Already 40 here  This month Adelaide has already had the coldest December night on record (7C), hottest December minimum on record (30C), and if today's forecast is accurate we'll have the hottest December max on record too (44C).
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You could have avoided this by living in QLD you know
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Zenithe posted:You could have avoided this by living in QLD you know Said no one, ever
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Vladimir Poutine posted:Already 40 here Melbournes set for our hottest december minimum overnight 
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Zenithe posted:You could have avoided this by living in QLD you know Or Perth.
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You Am I posted:Said no one, ever Hey, it's 29 where I am. You're dislike for QLD is obviously ideological instead of rational
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Queensland is the smart state.
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I remember there being frost everywhere on that 7 degree night (nights in the Adelaide hills are slightly colder than where they take the measurements) and then it was 41 the same week, which was a bit jarring. I have faint childhood memories of the weather being normal, but my brain has classified them with things from the same era, like Commander Keen and those Nike shoes with the pump button on the tongue.Mr Chips posted:Or Perth. Perth summers are actually hotter than Adel/Melb on average.
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Solemn Sloth posted:I just don't understand how anyone can think this man is a racist hmm yes I would like to see Bill Leak's essay about what these cartoons actually mean and not what the dumb uneducated PC crowd think they mean. Only then will we be able to answer the pressing question about who the real racist is {Bill Leak}
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I don't understand how one could draw the first peoples as literal wife bashing ape men and still keep a job.
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Vladimir Poutine posted:
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