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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Yeah I'd like to see that evidence because from what I've heard BFZ is the best selling set of all time above the #2, KTK I wonder why there are judge shortages. 
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Everything I heard about BFZ was negative but the MTG culture means all of these players complaining cracked a ton of packs. Design wise it was bad but clever lottery ticket wise it was good. I hate the new Eldrazi. Attica! Attica!
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Dec 18, 2015 20:15
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Irony Be My Shield posted:An absolute tonne of BFZ has been opened due to expeditions. Which I hope is a lesson they take to heart and just start sticking modern staples as expedition-esque super rare cards into packs to keep people busting 'em. Drives down the price of standard while giving people a reason to crack packs.
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Dec 18, 2015 20:15
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Sickening posted:I wonder why there are judge shortages. Couldn't tell you. Well, I'm off to cash the $60 CAD check I got after driving out to Quebec City round trip, putting myself up in a hotel and putting in three ten hour shifts.
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Dec 18, 2015 20:18
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Wizards will eventually smarten up and do what Pokemon TCG apparently does according to that MTGS repost earlier, and give you digital product with every purchase of paper product. That cleanly solves their problem of needing to get into the digital space while still selling and supporting physical product. Maybe MODO will also become.. not poo poo? A guy can dream
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Dec 18, 2015 20:19
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I'm pretty sure magic's been slowly dying since it peaked in Ice Age. Any year now it's gonna disappear.
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Dec 18, 2015 20:20
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If WOTC give out digital product it will be free cards for their garbage f2p dotp game. They have proven they're content to destroy MODO to stop people from playing for free, let alone give out product to people.
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Dec 18, 2015 20:21
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stinkles1112 posted:Wizards will eventually smarten up and do what Pokemon TCG apparently does according to that MTGS repost earlier, and give you digital product with every purchase of paper product. That cleanly solves their problem of needing to get into the digital space while still selling and supporting physical product. I'm not sure why they'd decide to actually invest resources in MTGO after they've started giving it away for free. If anything, I'd expect them to do that if their online sales tanked and they wanted to maintain a presence there.
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Dec 18, 2015 20:22
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Also I'm not sure how many of you guys have actually played Hearthstone but let's just say I'm not exactly worried about it taking over the card game market. It's got plenty of its own problems. Like being a dumb game for dummies. In case this post has inspired you to try Hearthstone to see what the fuss is about, allow me to save you the time and recommend that you instead flip twenty coins and pretend that's how many games of Hearthstone you've won today.
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Dec 18, 2015 20:23
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Hearthstone is such an amazing product in comparison to MODO that it literally doesn't matter that Reynad was a top level Hearthstone player lmao
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Dec 18, 2015 20:26
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It's pretty funny that hearthstone ripped off basically every core gameplay component of MtG except removed some of them and yet wizards still isn't smart enough to rip off their functioning digital platform. Like, they could crush them overnight if MODO looked like hearthstone
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Dec 18, 2015 20:31
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I think the core gameplay model of Hearthstone is a lot better suited to being an online game. Having to wait for ages in the middle of your turn while your opponent AFKs sucks. e: re: BFZ I think the design stuff was dramatically overstated. The mechanics play well and not everyone was desperate for another 6 variations of Ulamog's Crusher
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Dec 18, 2015 20:35
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if you wanted to like hearthstone but were turned off by the lack of anime tiddies ive got the product for you
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Dec 18, 2015 20:35
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dragon enthusiast posted:if you wanted to like hearthstone but were turned off by the lack of anime tiddies ive got the product for you No one wants to play Force with someone who misspells "titties". Go away.
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Dec 18, 2015 20:41
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Couldn't tell you. Well, I'm off to cash the $60 CAD check I got after driving out to Quebec City round trip, putting myself up in a hotel and putting in three ten hour shifts. Literally no reason for them not to pay out in Judge Force of Wills
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Dec 18, 2015 20:50
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AlternateNu posted:No one wants to play Force with someone who misspells "titties". Go away. wasnt talking about FoW, scrublord spotted https://shadowverse.jp
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Dec 18, 2015 20:55
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Couldn't tell you. Well, I'm off to cash the $60 CAD check I got after driving out to Quebec City round trip, putting myself up in a hotel and putting in three ten hour shifts. Your telling me that judges don't like low pay, forced mentor-ship, and dealing with the worst of the magic community? I feel like they should be more loyal.
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Dec 18, 2015 20:55
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Kalli posted:Which I hope is a lesson they take to heart and just start sticking modern staples as expedition-esque super rare cards into packs to keep people busting 'em. Drives down the price of standard while giving people a reason to crack packs. Which is ironic considering how insanely expensive the current standard is, although I get that's mostly the other sets and not BfZ.
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Dec 18, 2015 20:57
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Hearthstone is a notably worse game but the difference in work between making a paper cube and finding 7 people I trust enough to play it OR sending a friend a message that says "hey wanna play a tavern brawl" is actually just staggering. I'm not going to cube on modo, for what it's worth
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Dec 18, 2015 21:02
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Failboattootoot posted:Which is ironic considering how insanely expensive the current standard is, although I get that's mostly the other sets and not BfZ. Fetches + jace + gideon = standart out of control Kcommand, atarka's command, and den protector don't help much either.
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Dec 18, 2015 21:04
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Failboattootoot posted:Which is ironic considering how insanely expensive the current standard is, although I get that's mostly the other sets and not BfZ. Khans said Hey here's the suite of cards that are too expensive but you have to play them if you want a tier 1 standard deck. BfZ said Okay but seriously you have to play all of those cards,and use these lands to do it
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Dec 18, 2015 21:04
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It's the combination of fetches from KtK and duals from BFZ that force you to buy into a) a very expensive manabase and b) nonlands that are basically all chase rares because the lands let you play most of the best cards in the format.
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alansmithee posted:I think one of the things magic will have is the collectible nature. It's not just the game aspect, you get to capitalize on the same drives that collectible markets take advantage of. On top of which you have the ability to get something back for your investment if you choose to cash out vs. just being stuck. collectability fucks you up though bc now there's a ton of businesses dependent on cards having certain availability and pricing which means you can't just release poo poo to demand. like stores depend on the fact that not everyone can get a gideon on the cheap. this is why wotc had to do the stunted modern masters print run that just inflated goyf prices, because increasing goyf availability to meet demand will screw a lot of people up. hearthstone etc. doesn't have this problem. they can release infinity packs. the supply of product scales with demand and blizzard can tweak the numbers on various rarities to keep people invested and spending time and money on their product. they don't have to prop up a secondary economy because they have absolute control over it. being able to grind into what you want is also a huge blessing bc if someone is like "i can't afford X card out of pocket" then they just have to spend time on the game, generating content for blizzard for free. i think hearthstone is a pretty crap game compared to magic, but it's a significantly better product and i have a hard time believing that will never affect how magic does in the market.
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Dec 18, 2015 21:20
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Despite having several friends/acquaintances who have decided to open brick & mortar games shops, I will have no sympathy for them if they go under once the Magic secondary market collapses. If an LGS doesn't/can't diversify, they don't really stand a chance. And I will laugh extra hard when StarCity goes under.
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Angry Grimace posted:
You had me at "unconventional untap"
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Angry Grimace posted:
How many times per turn cycle do you get to untap this guy in two-headed giant?
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Dec 18, 2015 21:40
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black potus posted:collectability fucks you up though Magic is even a special case with this because the reserve list is just an implicit contract that,excepting bans and meta shifts, it will always be profitable to possess an expensive card. This causes some hosed up cartoon dollar sign eyes level of greed from everyone involved in the system. The game's been warped into junior wall street or whatever and wizards is laughing all the way to the bank while I crack a few packs a year hoping for the chase rare like a jackass even though I'm priced out of the formats I like
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Dec 18, 2015 21:41
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Tbh the thing that's gonna kill magic is probably actually phones. Someone's either gonna make a good new phone/tablet game (or just make xmage work) as phones get more and more powerful. Hearthstone already exists but I actually have a good phone and that's still like trying to play modo on any pc
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Dec 18, 2015 21:44
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They should do foil FNM promos for some real money cards and only allow kids 10 and under that play with 100+ card unsleeved decks to have them
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Dec 18, 2015 21:45
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Having a way to draw cards and shut down flyers in the ramp deck seems cool. It's a bit awkward that it doesn't work with Shrine of the Forsaken Gods but that deck may be packing some extra colorless lands after OGW anyway.
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Dec 18, 2015 21:49
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Entropic posted:How many times per turn cycle do you get to untap this guy in two-headed giant? Yours and theirs, that's all. In commander, however, the more players the more untaps you get.
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Dec 18, 2015 21:58
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Entropic posted:How many times per turn cycle do you get to untap this guy in two-headed giant? once on your turn, once on theirs. Teams share a turn cycle.
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Failboattootoot posted:Which is ironic considering how insanely expensive the current standard is, although I get that's mostly the other sets and not BfZ. Ehh, I think BfZ had a large indirect effect. Besides Gideon showing up, the lands meant people went from some painlands, basics, and relatively cheap scrylands with maybe 4 fetches to 16 fetches and 10 lands that actually tap for mana.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:An absolute tonne of BFZ has been opened due to expeditions. Source? edit: that untap guy is really cool. suck it, diamond mana haters.
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Dec 18, 2015 22:22
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Endbringer looks awesome, seems like a great toolbox / value card
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Dec 18, 2015 22:27
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Caleb (best non-Pro Tour content creator) with some fun Legacy ban list thought experiments. http://www.channelfireball.com/articles/the-legacy-ban-list-what-should-change/
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MiddleEastBeast posted:Caleb (best non-Pro Tour content creator) with some fun Legacy ban list thought experiments. Banning Lion's Eye Diamond is an insane idea. And what I'm getting from that article is Caleb really doesn't like filtering cards much. E: Legacy seriously needs to be as far away from Modern as possible, banning the cool, weird things would make it Modern with more expensive cards (DRS can probably still bite it though)
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start w/ a fair amount of words on wasteland, link article on top, give up trying to argue for anything after that. i can do this give me a column CFB
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