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Dec 19, 2015 09:48
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MisterBibs posted:TFA is plotted and designed in such a way that most of the problems one can have with it are the ones they'd have with ANH if you didn't have the nostalgia glasses bolted to your eyes. 
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Dec 19, 2015 09:49
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I thought the acting was great from all the new cast members, and the special effects were good, but holy poo poo, this was just a near shot for shot remake of a new hope. This wasn't a sequel, it was a remake, and that pisses me off.
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Dec 19, 2015 09:51
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Aphrodite posted:I really liked that nobody did any of that cliche mistrust stuff with Finn. This was one of many plot devices I was dreading they'd implement but they didn't. I really liked that Poe and Finn took to each other so quickly. The one complaint I would definitely agree to is that the score felt really underwhelming and phoned in. Other than that I was really impressed.
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Dec 19, 2015 09:52
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Chickenwalker posted:Rey is able to use force techniques with absolutely no training, and handily beats a presumably fairly decently trained force practitioner I guess because they wanted to cash in on the "gurlz rule" movement that's going on in movies lately. Gonna have another hearty lol at this part, because people gettin' mad about leading female characters who aren't weaklings never stops being funny.
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Dec 19, 2015 09:53
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Lucas didn't have the money to show it but Luke's skill as a pilot is played up all through ANH. Obi Wan mentions it, Luke forcefully asserts it himself to Han. He brings it up again in the Death Star attack briefing. Rey just starts flying poo poo out of nowhere.
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Dec 19, 2015 09:54
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raditts posted:Gonna have another hearty lol at this part, because people gettin' mad about leading female characters who aren't weaklings never stops being funny. It was at that moment that I decided I loved the movie.
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Dec 19, 2015 09:55
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Went to see it tonight. I liked it for what it is. Kylo Ren felt more like what the prequels were attempting with Anakin but they failed to do as well as this movie did with Ren.
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Dec 19, 2015 09:56
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raditts posted:Gonna have another hearty lol at this part, because people gettin' mad about leading female characters who aren't weaklings never stops being funny. Leaving aside the poo poo headery of the implicit misogyny, he has a point. It's at the point where she basically just willed herself control of force powers.
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Dec 19, 2015 09:57
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Frustrated posted:I thought the acting was great from all the new cast members, and the special effects were good, but holy poo poo, this was just a near shot for shot remake of a new hope. This wasn't a sequel, it was a remake, and that pisses me off. It being a rehash of story beats is a valid criticism, but just to be all  that is not what a "shot for shot remake" is. Personally I liked the execution well enough that it didn't bother me that it didn't do a much new stuff story-wise.
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Dec 19, 2015 09:58
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davecrazy posted:Lucas didn't have the money to show it but Luke's skill as a pilot is played up all through ANH. Obi Wan mentions it, Luke forcefully asserts it himself to Han. He brings it up again in the Death Star attack briefing. We don't really know anything about her past except some dude in an ugly ship flies away from her when she's like 5. She seems to be infatuated with rebel pilot memorabilia. I could accept that she can just start flying poo poo, there's no reason she couldn't have learned that at some point. Plus, she tears apart spaceships for a living, so of course she knows how they work. At worst, she's Kenan Thompson in Snakes on a Plane.
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Dec 19, 2015 09:59
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raditts posted:Speaking of, I loved the part where Han explicitly threw one of those gangsters to the monster that got loose, just to erase all doubt about whether or not he would act first in killing someone to save himself. That's very much the "shoot first" Han that a lot of people have missed since George muddled with his Special Editions. I think my favorite part had to be the scene on the freighter with the rathars. I'm hoping that the Guavian Death Gang and/or Kanjiklub make a return. I'm a bit disappointed that Greg Grunberg is not Wedge's fat beardo son and is a wholly new character, Snap Wexley. As well, for all of that talk of Captain Phasma, she got pretty punked.
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Dec 19, 2015 10:00
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Not sure if this has been discussed or not, but I found a few interesting parallels. Ren killing his father completed his path to the dark side. Anakin losing his mother completed his path. On a similar note, Luke seeing Ben die was his first loss on his journey, the same for Rey seeing Han die.
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Dec 19, 2015 10:03
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Chickenwalker posted:Rey is able to use force techniques with absolutely no training, and handily beats a presumably fairly decently trained force practitioner I guess because they wanted to cash in on the "gurlz rule" movement that's going on in movies lately. If by "use force techniques" you mean "try three times to do a Jedi mind trick once on a Stormtrooper (who are likely susceptible to suggestion because they're essentially brainwashed to follow orders)" and "not succumb to Kylo's mind-searching / do a little feeling-searching of her own" then sure, but what other force-y stuff did she do? (See: no force telekinesis, no force jumps, no force control over elements, etc.) Also, Kylo was shot in what was likely a vital organ (kidney area) by a huge gently caress-off bowcaster and he was banging his fist on his wound during the fight, which isn't going to make the bleeding any better. Oh yeah and also he just killed his dad and was softened up a bit by Finn and his only other interaction with Rey was intimidating—she prevented him from searching her thoughts and called him on being afraid of never being as good as Vader. Those all sound like good reasons to beat a "presumably fairly decently trained force practitioner". Edit: Also did you really say "'gurlz rule' movement" unironically holy poo poo you are hopeless.
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Dec 19, 2015 10:04
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They weren't exactly subtle, it was directly retreading the Vader Obi War scene, to where I'm genuinely amazed a single person was surprised Han was killed.
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Dec 19, 2015 10:06
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Fulchrum posted:Leaving aside the poo poo headery of the implicit misogyny, he has a point. It's at the point where she basically just willed herself control of force powers. It seemed to me that she was only able to use them under duress, which doesn't seem implausible if you can accept that she is born with innate superpowers. After all, Luke was able to blind block lasers with barely any light saber training, and was able to use the force to hit the death star with the requisite perfect aim just by concentrating really hard.
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Dec 19, 2015 10:06
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raditts posted:After all, Luke was able to blind block lasers with barely any light saber training, and was able to use the force to hit the death star with the requisite perfect aim just by concentrating really hard. Yes, loving this. "Remember to use the force, Luke." - "Oh, ok." *blows up Death Star*
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Dec 19, 2015 10:08
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davecrazy posted:Rey just starts flying poo poo out of nowhere. Eh, she drove the Falcon kinda like I fly ships in video games I'm not sure on the controls yet: 50% sliding across the ground, 50% amazing stunts that I could never, never replicate because I'm not entirely sure how I did it the first time.
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Dec 19, 2015 10:09
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Star Wars spaceships are easy to fly. We know this, because people often learn to fly immediately. It's like driving a golf buggy.
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Dec 19, 2015 10:10
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raditts posted:It seemed to me that she was only able to use them under duress, which doesn't seem implausible if you can accept that she is born with innate superpowers. After all, Luke was able to blind block lasers with barely any light saber training, and was able to use the force to hit the death star with the requisite perfect aim just by concentrating really hard. She used Force Persuasion almost entirely while seeing if she could. If that's your threshold virtually every use of the force outside Anakin rehabilitating a drug dealer counts.
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Dec 19, 2015 10:10
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:It's called the Starkiller Base, not the Starborrower Base. Alright I'm sold. Starkiller Base and the planet it lives on is just jetting through space leeching off whatever stars it wants. Atmosphere just kind of sticks to it throughout because why not. The shield keeps it in place, there done. Oh, and I can't believe it took me this long to put this in pro wrestling terms, but Rey only beat Kylo with a LOT of interference, she basically cashed in the Force in the Bank briefcase to win the title after Han delivered some mental damage, the gently caress off bowcaster did a lot of work, and Finn tuckered him out a bit and gave him one more little annoying wound. I expect Kylo to win the next time they meet, setting up a rubber match on some kind of wild elevated walkway or something in SW IX. I can't wait to go see this movie again tomorrow, it should be even better the second time around, and after one viewing I already gave it a big ol BB-8  .
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Dec 19, 2015 10:12
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I hate this movie, I hate this thread, and I'm pretty sure I hate this earth for producing so many people who could think this soulless committee-designed retread of a much better movie was actually good.
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Dec 19, 2015 10:13
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Chickenwalker posted:I hate this movie, I hate this thread, and I'm pretty sure I hate this earth for producing so many people who could think this soulless committee-designed retread of a much better movie was actually good. k
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Dec 19, 2015 10:13
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Chickenwalker posted:I hate this movie, I hate this thread, and I'm pretty sure I hate this earth for producing so many people who could think this soulless committee-designed retread of a much better movie was actually good. k
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Dec 19, 2015 10:17
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Chickenwalker posted:I hate this movie, I hate this thread, and I'm pretty sure I hate this earth for producing so many people who could think this soulless committee-designed retread of a much better movie was actually good. Yes... Let the hate flow through you
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Dec 19, 2015 10:17
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MisterBibs posted:Eh, she drove the Falcon kinda like I fly ships in video games I'm not sure on the controls yet: 50% sliding across the ground, 50% amazing stunts that I could never, never replicate because I'm not entirely sure how I did it the first time. When Finn says they need a pilot, she says she's a pilot. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that she's flown before, at some points, but really just never left Jakku for other reasons.
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Dec 19, 2015 10:17
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Chickenwalker posted:I hate this movie, I hate this thread, and I'm pretty sure I hate this earth for producing so many people who could think this soulless committee-designed retread of a much better movie was actually good. loving amazing post + avatar combo.
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Dec 19, 2015 10:21
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IanTheM posted:When Finn says they need a pilot, she says she's a pilot. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that she's flown before, at some points, but really just never left Jakku for other reasons. She's familiar with the Falcon to the point of knowing specific modifications the owner has done too.
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Dec 19, 2015 10:23
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Chickenwalker posted:I hate this movie, I hate this thread, and I'm pretty sure I hate this earth for producing so many people who could think this soulless committee-designed retread of a much better movie was actually good. Doctor Spaceman posted:She's familiar with the Falcon to the point of knowing specific modifications the owner has done too. You'll notice she thought it was trash, but it was trash that might maybe fly away from a TIE fighter, and thus preferable to fighting one on foot. Nessus fucked around with this message at 10:31 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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Dec 19, 2015 10:24
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My immersion was also ruined by the depiction of a capable female pilot with no explanation.
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Dec 19, 2015 10:35
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Chickenwalker posted:I hate this movie, I hate this thread, and I'm pretty sure I hate this earth for producing so many people who could think this soulless committee-designed retread of a much better movie was actually good.
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Dec 19, 2015 10:45
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NowonSA posted:Alright I'm sold. Starkiller Base and the planet it lives on is just jetting through space leeching off whatever stars it wants. Atmosphere just kind of sticks to it throughout because why not. The shield keeps it in place, there done. So the First Order is the NWO and the Resistance is Attitude era WWF
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Dec 19, 2015 10:47
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What a great movie. My only complaint is that I kept getting distracted by me wanting Rey to sit on my face. Other than that I couldn't be happier.
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Dec 19, 2015 10:48
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Mandrel posted:so there's no way Snoke isn't darth plagueis right? Wise, all powerful Munn sith lord who happens to look identical to the apparently still-canon appearance of Plagueis, his musical theme is nearly identical to the piece that plays in the opera in III when Palpatine is telling Anakin about him. if he existed at all, palpatine killed plagueis. it, too, hope like that other guy that he actually is giant i was a tad bummed he turned out to be a hologram. Fulchrum posted:They weren't exactly subtle, it was directly retreading the Vader Obi War scene, to where I'm genuinely amazed a single person was surprised Han was killed. yeah right when han saw kylo walk by i'm thinking oh boy dad's dead. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 10:51 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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Dec 19, 2015 10:49
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Just saw the movie. Yeah it's essentially a retread of A New Hope, but the new cast was refreshing enough that it didn't bother me (I mean, the threshold for bad Star Wars movies is pretty low at this point). I had to laugh when they even had a trench run part featuring Diet Porkins from Alias and every other JJ film ever. On the whole, the pacing was probably the 'worst' part for me - it was fast but there was very little decompression or breathing space. Everything was beat-beat-beat-plot point-beat-beat. It could have used a couple slower scenes, but I can understand why they would have been the first to hit the cutting room floor for today's moviegoing audience. Ben Solo's arc is going to be interesting and honestly I didn't mind his whiny, tantrum-throwing scenes. It definitely felt like the Anakin we should have gotten. People seem to be complaining about Rey's piloting ability but her natural talent is fine with me - she's been a scavenger her whole life, so she'd know mechanics enough to know what the Falcon's had done to it, plus after she and Finn fight the TIEs off they have a fan girl moment together where they're both like OH MY GOD HOW DID WE DO THAT I HAVE NO IDEA YOU WERE AWESOME BAE so I'm happy to chalk that up to the Force. BB-8 was great and I liked how he seemed to be an R2 fanboy - rushing straight up to him after his latest adventure to see if he's awake to hear it  It did dawn on me that Kylo's name gave away the spoiler by itself. Kylo - Kyl O - Kill Lo - Kill Solo. I mean, Star Wars isn't known for subtle names. So, Rey's the natural talent at the Force, likely being the Skydaughter. Finn probably has the talent but he'd be the Leia to her Luke - has the potential, but wouldn't be strong enough to qualify as Jedi in the old system. I'm guessing that he's going to be the main antagonist in Episode 8, while Rey's off training with Luke (and some Force Ghosts), becoming a Big Deal in the Resistance until they meet up again at the end, probably ala Empire where she senses he's in danger and abandons her training early to save him - only this time Luke will also go with her, and just fuckin' own some punks with the Force. Overall I enjoyed the film and thought it did exactly what it needed to do - entertain me, not be poo poo, and sustain my interest and disposable income enough to look forward to the next ones. e: Snoke is probably Plagueis. I mean, he was the Sith Lord whose own apprentice bragged about being master over life-and-death, and Snoke sure looks like a dead person. Aaronicon fucked around with this message at 10:55 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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Dec 19, 2015 10:53
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Caedar posted:If by "use force techniques" you mean "try three times to do a Jedi mind trick once on a Stormtrooper (who are likely susceptible to suggestion because they're essentially brainwashed to follow orders)" and "not succumb to Kylo's mind-searching / do a little feeling-searching of her own" then sure, but what other force-y stuff did she do? (See: no force telekinesis, no force jumps, no force control over elements, etc.) She not only successfully used Force telekinesis to grab the lightsabre once Finn drops it at the final fight, Kylo Ren was also trying to used Force Pull on the lightsabre at the same time and she outmuscled him. And he's a guy who can use Force Pull to freeze a blaster bolt in mid air.
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Dec 19, 2015 10:58
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I don't feel she outmuscled him but more like the saber didn't want to be with him.
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Dec 19, 2015 11:00
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Rey is clearly Luke's offspring i called it earlier in thread. She sees him and R2 in her dream thing after touching his old saber. Not that that is strong evidence but i think it helps my theory a little. Also who the gently caress is darth plagueis i cant honestly be expected to remember anything beyond the broad plot strokes of the prequel trilogy As for the new death star planet thing obviously it has engines and can be moved or it would be pretty useless... The entire middle ring of the planet had been hollowed out across the whole circumference and been replaced with weapons, defense systems, etc im sure the engines are on one part of the ring too. Second point is we've been shown at least one system with multiple suns so that would be an ideal place to station it. thathonkey fucked around with this message at 11:06 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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Dec 19, 2015 11:00
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1. I like how Kylo's offer to train Rey is what made her realize that it was the Force she was using and 2. I'm glad JJ didn't have the need to have a Maz voice-over when Rey closes her eyes saying "Let it in" If this was James Cameron we surely would have had not only a voice over but even a flash back of Maz's face leaning into the camera then cut to Rey opening her eyes and fighting back. So, even though it was safe (rehash/relaunch), and even though the main baddie was a little cartoonish (Voldegollum) I'm glad the audience wasn't poo poo on. thathonkey posted:
He's supposed to be a Jedi that learned how to cheat death. Maybe trained by Yoda and mentor to the emperor? I don't know if that last part is correct. An Ounce of Gold fucked around with this message at 11:09 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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Dec 19, 2015 11:07
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My guess is that Rey is an XX clone of Palpatine which is why she's crazy powerful in The Force. Having her be Luke's daughter is way too obvious and you can't have a SW trilogy without Palpy playing a pivotal role.
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Dec 19, 2015 11:07
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