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dont bother with xdg. google and docker are finalizing their ballpitting specificatiion and that's going be the direction everything goes
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:dont bother with xdg. google and docker are finalizing their ballpitting specificatiion and that's going be the direction everything goes Urban Dictionary: ball pitting http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=ball+pitting Urban Dictionary When you stick your nut sack in someone's butt hole during intercourse. Hey Jeff, do you enjoy ball pitting? by Ballpitter69 December 23, 2013. 28 1. Add your ...
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carry on then posted:Urban Dictionary: ball pitting reminds me of when ton' freaked that bitch out
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i finally fixed my crazy up/down arrows by disabling touchpad scrolling in the terminal (which i dont use) but i had to compile a new tmux to make it work
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sounds like linux is nearly rady for the laptop, i cant wait
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BONGHITZ posted:linux 
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n+1 year of linux on the desktop n+2 year of linux on the laptop
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Linux on the laptop is legit OK. On every dell I've used, suspend *just works*, external video just works, all ports just work fine. But if you suspend while plugged into an external monitor, there is a ~5% chance that gnome won't lock your screen. Other than that, when we have Linux on the desktop, we will also have Linux on the laptop. Gnome on the tablet, however, will never cease to be viable until it becomes a first-class target and displaces all other form factors.
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http://www.capcom-unity.com/haunts/blog/2014/12/06/street-fighter-v-announced-exclusively-for-ps4-and-pc http://www.gamespot.com/articles/xbox-will-never-get-a-version-of-street-fighter-5-/1100-6427987/ http://www.capcom-unity.com/combofiend/blog/2015/12/17/announcing-steam-os-support-for-sfv Street Fighter V will appear on PS4, PC, and Steam OS. Not the 3rd generation xbox, aka "xbox 1". Gentlemen, we have finally achieved Linux on the home gaming console.
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if i close my lappy lid with my big rear end external monitor it always just stays on and think thats my main monitor now. its sucky. but then again, if i leave it on overnight with all my crap on its lagged to gently caress balls in the morning so its better to just turn it off anyways. fail.
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Dec 19, 2015 10:47
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celeron 300a posted:Gnome on the tablet, however, will never cease to be viable until it becomes a first-class target and displaces all other form factors. tablets were a stillborn form factor and gnome/kde were both stupid for chasing that dream
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Smythe posted:if i close my lappy lid with my big rear end external monitor it always just stays on and think thats my main monitor now. its sucky. but then again, if i leave it on overnight with all my crap on its lagged to gently caress balls in the morning so its better to just turn it off anyways. fail. set vm.swappiness to 0 and see if the "lagged to fuckballs" problem disappears
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Dec 19, 2015 16:49
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:tablets were a stillborn form factor and gnome/kde were both stupid for chasing that dream if by stillborn you mean "incredibly popular, except they turned out to be giant smartphones rather than keyboardless laptops"
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:tablets were a stillborn form factor and gnome/kde were both stupid for chasing that dream we never chased it.
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you could argue that we chased touchscreen laptops a bit too hard because when windows 8 was coming out literally every laptop ever released had a touchscreen, but at that point every other bug we got was about how the touchscreen didnt work
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Soricidus posted:if by stillborn you mean "incredibly popular, except they turned out to be giant smartphones rather than keyboardless laptops" large smartphones are popular, but they are all small enough to a.) fit in your pocket b.) hold one-handed against your head (e.g. for phone conversation) that is to say, they are not tablets. actual tablets that you hold in your lap or on a table, like the ipad, are something only a handful of rich people will pay for. the "third device" just isn't a must-have. Notorious b.s.d. fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Dec 19, 2015 |
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Suspicious Dish posted:you could argue that we chased touchscreen laptops a bit too hard because when windows 8 was coming out literally every laptop ever released had a touchscreen, but at that point every other bug we got was about how the touchscreen didnt work ok, so for once gnome managed to avoid a dumb trend and kde didn't. a low bar and a rare victory
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yea i have a tablet and tbh i only use it to watch videos on at night and occasionally browse the internet in bed its also one of the slowest loving devices ive ever used, its horrible
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tablets are p. dece when you're away from your glorious pc browsing master race machine
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tablets are p. nice but sales are falling pretty heavily so their overall relevance is indeed not great
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its unbelievable to me how bad non beefy desktops are. theyre slow, you cant click anything good, you cant run a poo poo load of programs. they suck to type on. eveyrththing about non computers suxors. IMO, well, FOR ME - it's better to do the computering at the Big Computer and when you're away AFK - hell, just DWI.
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Smythe posted:its unbelievable to me how bad non beefy desktops are. theyre slow, you cant click anything good, you cant run a poo poo load of programs. they suck to type on. eveyrththing about non computers suxors. IMO, well, FOR ME - it's better to do the computering at the Big Computer and when you're away AFK - hell, just DWI. +1 insightful
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i have a tablet and i like it but i recognize it is never going to be a mass market device that every household has, like PCs and smartphones
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Suspicious Dish posted:you could argue that we chased touchscreen laptops a bit too hard because when windows 8 was coming out literally every laptop ever released had a touchscreen not all of them, the ones people actually wanted, Macs, have never had touchscreens
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yea, the ones that people can't install linux on
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Suspicious Dish posted:yea, the ones that people can't install linux on you can install Linux on Macs, you just don't need to people install Linux to get a better OS than Windows, and Macs come with a better OS than either Windows or Linux already installed how's that KDBus coming along again? even Windows has had decent IPC since the release of NT… also I just learned that Linux still has a laughable, library-based implementation of posix_spawn that just does a vfork and exec, how can you get poo poo like that wrong in 2015?
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eschaton posted:also I just learned that Linux still has a laughable, library-based implementation of posix_spawn that just does a vfork and exec, how can you get poo poo like that wrong in 2015? please explain in detail why that is laughable and wrong
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kdbus works super nicely but was blocked on some fairly petty politics. there's going to be a new approach coming quite soon to get around that. i wouldn't say mach ipc is a shining beacon of ipc, either, and nt doesn't have any multicast ipc primitives from what i can tell? it's on the same level as current linux ipc: sockets and pipes and fifos and such
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eschaton posted:also I just learned that Linux still has a laughable, library-based implementation of posix_spawn that just does a vfork and exec, how can you get poo poo like that wrong in 2015? this is also how it works on solaris the only purpose of posix_spawn is to be a user-friendly vfork() that doesn't allow you to do anything stupid. a library wrapper around vfork+execve is a perfectly good solution.
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posix_spawn() is for platforms too lovely to provide a full fork()/exec(). Of course the specialized hack is going to be implemented in terms of the generalized primitive. Creating new processes on Linux even with vanilla fork() is fast as balls, and even if it wasn't then you'd have some serious design issues if fork() speed was anything approaching a bottleneck. it is actually linux that is the world's most advanced operating system kernel
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Suspicious Dish posted:kdbus works super nicely but was blocked on some fairly petty politics. there's going to be a new approach coming quite soon to get around that. if kdbus got blocked for political reasons then what makes you think bus1 won't suffer the same fate some people will only be happy if the ultimate solution is created by somebody who has nothing to do with lennart poettering.
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Mr Dog posted:if kdbus got blocked for political reasons then what makes you think bus1 won't suffer the same fate what i'm hearing is, oust linus, replace with lennart call it lennarx
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pass all messages through a nosql database running on every machine
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Mr Dog posted:posix_spawn() is for platforms too lovely to provide a full fork()/exec(). well, fork w/out exec is a bad idea that leads to overcommit, and deadlocks and leaks and such fork is not fast as balls -- it scales linearly with the amount of address space used, because it has to copy the page tables.
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Mr Dog posted:Creating new processes on Linux even with vanilla fork() is fast as balls, and even if it wasn't then you'd have some serious design issues if fork() speed was anything approaching a bottleneck. no one ever had problems with fork speed the problem is memory overcommit. if your java process with a 32G heap forks to exec 'ls', the memory commit is briefly 64 GB. (even though none of that memory will ever be touched.) if you don't have enough swap configured, bad things happen. vfork + an immediate execve hypothetically fixes this problem, but it's still possible to gently caress it up. (and vfork is un-standardized, so the semantics can vary) posix_spawn just forces you down the road of using vfork + execve correctly. it's idiot-proof. it's bumpers on your bowling lane. having a correct posix_spawn is so cool and good it's included in gnulib, the gnu portability library for papering over lovely unix details.
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Mr Dog posted:if kdbus got blocked for political reasons then what makes you think bus1 won't suffer the same fate rebrand lennart, problem solved
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