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Math Debater posted:I agree that this would be great and I definitely would like for this to happen. This scenario could really shake the foundations of the American political system in a big way and would also be very entertaining, regardless of who won the election. can someone please ban this guy. not for anything in this thread or even forum really, just check his rap sheet. sorry for the derail.
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Reason posted:You could tell Sanders was gearing up for a presidential run for a few years now, and I was really disappointed when he went for the democratic nomination. Maybe he knew he wouldn't get it, and is just using it as a means to see if he can go as an independent at the national level? It's mainly because going as a independent is really challenging for basic things such as getting on the ballot.
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Dec 20, 2015 05:12
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Rollofthedice posted:"Hey, I've got a great idea! Why don't I just doom the political party I'm a part of?!?!" -Bernard Sanders' alternate reality in Imagination Town Except he isn't? He has been an independent until this year so that he could run for president as a democrat?
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Nader is probably still despised on sight to this day, even though the dude was a legit hero who has done more good and hosed corporate America harder than any Democrat. He is scum for participating in the creation of the Bush years.
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Dec 20, 2015 05:14
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Yoshifan823 posted:What would a Hillary/Bernie/Trump/Rubio race look like, aside from Amazing. Can a man dream because for sheer entertainment value this is great. Also America having to actually get a decent amount of choice for once.
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Dec 20, 2015 05:14
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etalian posted:It's mainly because going as a independent is really challenging for basic things such as getting on the ballot. And running as an independent would give Bernie Sanders a great opportunity to draw attention to this issue and point out how completely rigged the system is in favor of the two major parties. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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"Hey what if it turned into a race with Bernie and Trump running Independent, how fun would that be" --- Someone completely unaffected by politics
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Dec 20, 2015 05:16
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i think a four-candidate race would probably just end in hillary getting fewer of her voters stolen than the gop guy gets stolen by trump and hillary winning more than half the EVs with like 29% of the state's votes but even if the independents won enough states to keep hillary/gop under a majority of EVs the thing would be thrown to the house of representatives, where the exact opposite of upsetting the american political system would happen as the large majority of states with more republican than democratic representatives would cast their single vote for the gop nominee the interesting argument might be if the gop guy finished fourth, since it was pointed out to me last time this was discussed that the house only considers the top 3 EV getters, but i think sanders would be #4 so there'd be plenty of fun talking for you guys to enjoy and then the political system would crush your dreams and laugh in your faces. just like it always does
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Reason posted:Except he isn't? He has been an independent until this year so that he could run for president as a democrat? At the moment, he is a member of the Democratic party and almost certainly has a vested interest in the dem. party existing as opposed to, say, the republicans existing - he is a liberal politician in the united states of america.
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Dec 20, 2015 05:16
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Math Debater posted:And running as an independent would give Bernie Sanders a great opportunity to draw attention to this issue and point out how completely rigged the system is in favor of the two major parties. Hey genius, by the nature of being a single person office it's impractical for there to be more than two serious contenders in the general election.
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Math Debater posted:This scenario could really shake the foundations of the American political system in a big way quote:and would also be very entertaining, regardless of who won the election.
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Dec 20, 2015 05:17
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Math Debater posted:And running as an independent would give Bernie Sanders a great opportunity to draw attention to this issue and point out how completely rigged the system is in favor of the two major parties. It's a bad idea and would only work if a Republican also went independent, if that's the case your point is valid.
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Dec 20, 2015 05:17
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Math Debater posted:This outcome could be pretty interesting and entertaining. Until FPTP is actually changed, this is a horrible idea.
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Dec 20, 2015 05:17
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Math Debater posted:And running as an independent would give Bernie Sanders a great opportunity to draw attention to this issue and point out how completely rigged the system is in favor of the two major parties. Ralp posted:can someone please ban this guy. not for anything in this thread or even forum really, just check his rap sheet. sorry for the derail. It's a troll, only respond if that's how you get your jollies WashPo's front page image doesn't even bother including MOM in it  
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Dec 20, 2015 05:17
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Math Debater posted:And running as an independent would give Bernie Sanders a great opportunity to draw attention to this issue and point out how completely rigged the system is in favor of the two major parties. hey look, a literal pedophile for bernie sanders.
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Dec 20, 2015 05:18
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Rollofthedice posted:At the moment, he is a member of the Democratic party and almost certainly has a vested interest in the dem. party existing as opposed to, say, the republicans existing - he is a liberal politician in the united states of america. If one thing is for certain in this election its that there will still be a democratic and republican party regardless of who wins the presidency.
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Dec 20, 2015 05:18
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Math Debater posted:And running as an independent would give Bernie Sanders a great opportunity to draw attention to this issue and point out how completely rigged the system is in favor of the two major parties. It would guarantee a Republican nomination, and Sanders would have his reputation destroyed and no one would care about the particular reasons of why this came about. It's a bad idea. fishmech posted:Hey genius, by the nature of being a single person office it's impractical for there to be more than two serious contenders in the general election. Well, with winner-take-all voting like we have, at least. If we had a not-poo poo voting system then things would be different, but that's almost definitely not happening because both parties would oppose it.
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Dec 20, 2015 05:19
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A Neurotic Jew posted:hey look, a literal pedophile for bernie sanders. oh wow, thanks for giving me a reason to look at his rap sheet 
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Dec 20, 2015 05:19
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Gamma Nerd posted:i was majorly grossed out by "everyone should like me" That's because you're an idiot. It was a dumb joke to deflect the question. It's something anyone with a modicum of humor would say. It's the same thing with the Star Wars quote. It's not a loving conspiracy or advertising; it was standard fare Hillary pandering to laypeople. She's been doing this since forever, trying to appeal to people with pop culture reference. What the gently caress is wrong with ya'll? drat, Hillary got enough problems and issues with her that you don't need to employ straw-maning, conspiracy theories, or double standards to dislike her. Ya'll going full crazy trying to turn Hillary into the drat devil.
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Dec 20, 2015 05:19
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Reason posted:If one thing is for certain in this election its that there will still be a democratic and republican party regardless of who wins the presidency. I agree. I also posit that any attempt to change that would be a terrible, no good idea (in tyool 2016 at least)
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Dec 20, 2015 05:20
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Ralp posted:can someone please ban this guy. not for anything in this thread or even forum really, just check his rap sheet. sorry for the derail.
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Dec 20, 2015 05:20
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Political Fact going after the big issues from the debate "No evidence for Hillary Clinton's claim that ISIS is using videos of Donald Trump as recruiting tool" http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/dec/19/hillary-clinton/fact-checking-hillary-clintons-claim-isis-using-vi/
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Dec 20, 2015 05:20
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Luckily, as someone who lives in a deep red state I can vote Sanders in the primary and write in Sanders in the general, because my general election vote doesn't mean jack anyways.
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Dec 20, 2015 05:21
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Roland Jones posted:It would guarantee a Republican nomination, and Sanders would have his reputation destroyed and no one would care about the particular reasons of why this came about. It's a bad idea. I honestly have no idea how we're ever going to improve our voting system both parties are just straight opposed to it as they gain nothing. We basically have to wait until one party gets completely destroyed almost. I've given up on changing how voting works tbh
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Dec 20, 2015 05:21
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robert lafollette won 17% of the national vote and one state in 1924 and nothing like you guys are wishing for happened at all what you're talking about is precedented
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Dec 20, 2015 05:21
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also watching espn the announcers mentioned that clinton had ended the debate with 'may the force be with you' that was all they said but that's a decent sign that it was the most impactful thing that happened tonight i think i thought you people would post fast enough to not make me doublepost
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Dec 20, 2015 05:23
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SirKibbles posted:It's a bad idea and would only work if a Republican also went independent, if that's the case your point is valid. It seems pretty possible that Trump will go solo and split the Republicans, since he's too crazy for boy's town and too much of a boy for crazy town.
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Dec 20, 2015 05:23
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Bernie Sanders as a third party: " I'm as strong as a bull moose and you can use me to the limit"
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Dec 20, 2015 05:24
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oystertoadfish posted:
The debates over so the posting has slowed.
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Dec 20, 2015 05:24
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fishmech posted:Hey genius, by the nature of being a single person office it's impractical for there to be more than two serious contenders in the general election. In the last Mexican presidential election, there were 4 candidates participating in the general election presidential debates. A Sanders independent run would be a big deal because he's a sitting Senator who is using revolutionary rhetoric and whose campaign is popular. He would have to be included in the general election debates, and this scenario would seriously stir up the political situation in this country, which I would like to happen. And it would also be entertaining. I'm not too concerned about the potentially apocalyptic consequences of a Republican presidency because the apocalypse is going to happen sooner or later anyway, regardless of who gets elected president in 2016.
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Dec 20, 2015 05:25
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Rollofthedice posted:oh wow, thanks for giving me a reason to look at his rap sheet 
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Dec 20, 2015 05:26
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Zen Death Robot is a good dude
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oystertoadfish posted:robert lafollette won 17% of the national vote and one state in 1924 and nothing like you guys are wishing for happened at all But this time it's a guy who's not afraid to say "socialism," surely that's never happened before either!
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Dec 20, 2015 05:26
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oystertoadfish posted:also watching espn the announcers mentioned that clinton had ended the debate with 'may the force be with you' can't kill the hill 
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Dec 20, 2015 05:27
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It should be noted that Trump would punish pedophiles instead of trying to "rehabilitate" them like Hillary and Bernie.
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Dec 20, 2015 05:27
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ScrubLeague posted:But this time it's a guy who's not afraid to say "socialism," surely that's never happened before either! At this point I just want the front runner to mention FDR and LBJ
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Trump is going to get the P or VP slot for the Republican Party because of his ability to "fire up the base" voters will turn out in droves against him because hes the equivalent to 08s Sarah Palin, Hillary will pick MOM or some no name as VP and win by a single digit margin, politics will continue as usual with a republican controlled congress and nothing meaningful getting done.
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