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Wandle Cax posted:I would be surprised if this trilogy directly references the prequels in any way. It already did.
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I think this movie was a pretty solid starting point for a new trilogy. It was a bit overly familiar at times but that was kinda to be expected with them bringing the films back after a decade plus three bad ones. The way this movie ends leaves a lot of interesting ways they could move forward with the story and I'll only start whining if the sequels are overly familiar as well. Kylo Ren surprised me a bit because the movie pretty much acknowledged he was a wannabe Vader and an immature gently caress-up who hasn't finished his training yet and throws temper tantrums every time something goes a bit wrong. Instead of him just being another scary guy in the mask I like that we're gonna see the villain grow and develop into a more credible threat. Also I had *that scene* casually spoiled for me like a dozen times and just thought people were loving around, I was surprised when it actually happened. ...Has anybody made a joke about Punished "Venom" C-3PO yet?
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Dec 20, 2015 07:30
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Wandle Cax posted:I would be surprised if this trilogy directly references the prequels in any way. Uh, you mean besides besides the heroes using Anakin's lightsaber?
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Dec 20, 2015 07:30
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This poster loves police brutality, but only when its against minorities!
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Wandle Cax posted:I would be surprised if this trilogy directly references the prequels in any way. Me too. But! As much as I was disappointed in the prequels, I would seriously lose my poo poo (in a good way) if at any point during like Episode 9 or something, Rey, fully trained, communes with the ghosts of Anakin and Obi-Wan with Ewan and Hayden reprising their roles.
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I'd be okay with that. It might give Hayden a chance to work with a better director.
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Dec 20, 2015 07:31
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I mean it's a big plot point that Ben is literally having imaginary conversations with what he believes to be Anakin's spirit. I don't think there's anywhere for this whole idolization thing to go but for him to eventually be confronted with the real Anakin and not the Anakin that he's envisioned. Luke simply saying "Vader wasn't actually bad, he was good!" to the kid isn't gonna cut it. It has to be the real Anakin, directly dismantling the fantasy and cult-worship that Ben has build up.Wandle Cax posted:I would be surprised if this trilogy directly references the prequels in any way.
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Dec 20, 2015 07:33
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Wandle Cax posted:I would be surprised if this trilogy directly references the prequels in any way. It already has, and it's not going to stop. Which is a good thing, because the prequels are good.
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Dec 20, 2015 07:35
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BrianWilly posted:It already mentions the Sith, which is a prequel invention. I dunno if that's direct enough for people, but hey. The Sith were first mentioned in the ANH novelization, but yes, first mentioned in the PT.
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Augus posted:It was a bit overly familiar at times but that was kinda to be expected with them bringing the films back after a decade plus three bad ones.
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Wandle Cax posted:I would be surprised if this trilogy directly references the prequels in any way. There is a very distinctly non-zero chance that Snoke is tied to the Sith backstory somehow, which would make him a walking prequel connection Josh Lyman posted:I think this is a terrible argument. By extension, there was even less to complain about in Avatar because it had been 19 years since Dances with Wolves. I mean that's kinda the same situation if you ignore the fact that it isn't the same situation in the slightest.
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ImpAtom posted:It already did. DeusExMachinima posted:Uh, you mean besides besides the heroes using Anakin's lightsaber? He likely implied the bad parts of the prequels that divert from what is cool and awesome. Stuff like Naboo and poo poo.
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DeusExMachinima posted:Uh, you mean besides besides the heroes using Anakin's lightsaber? That was originally from the first film. (ep IV)
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Wandle Cax posted:That was originally from the first film. (ep IV)
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Hazo posted:Yeah, Luke's saber from IV is different from Anakin's in III (for reasons never really explained) and the one in TFA looks like Luke's. Uhh, the lightsaber Anakin uses in Episode III is the same one Obi-Wan gives Luke in Episode IV, which is the one that Luke ends up losing on Bespin in Episode V that eventually ends up in Maz Kanata's possession in Episode VII.
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Dec 20, 2015 07:58
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I have to say that the lightsaber battle in the snow had some of the best lighting ever. The blue on red and the glow they gave off in the surrounding darkness was so amazingly done. Probably the best lightsaber duel in any of the movies yet. Rey's face when she starts channeling the force... just god drat.
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Just saw this after a week of ploughing through the old movies with my gf. Was fed up with lightsabers and chewbaccas but man, this is a well-crafted sequel! The methaphorical theme of a generation switch to a new cast was nicely executed and they carry over just enough of the old personallities to the new characters! Also the dialogue is so much better than the cringe-worthy forced crap in the prequels. Also, the soundtrack is glorious! Rey is Luke's daughter, isn't she?
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Seventeen years pass between Episodes 3 and 4. Revenge of the Sith came out ten years ago. Seven years until Ewan MacGregor turns into Alec Guinness.
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Hazo posted:Yeah, Luke's saber from IV is different from Anakin's in III (for reasons never really explained) and the one in TFA looks like Luke's. The light saber looks like the one Luke dropped on Bespin. It also sort of looks like the one Anakin had in episode 3
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Dec 20, 2015 08:03
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Imaginary Friend posted:Rey is Luke's daughter, isn't she? Maybe. I don't think so though. I think she's either the daughter of Han and Leia or she's someone entirely new that the Force is manifesting strongly in, starting a new lineage of Jedi. Maybe the Force ultimately decided the Skywalker pedigree isn't strong enough to keep the balance and wants to start fresh with Rey.
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Well, finally got around to seeing this. I think the thread consensus was that the first half was better, but I disagree. The first half is way too frantic, and there's very little time you actually get to breathe. Everything either has a breakneck pace or it feels claustrophobic from all the close up shots. Aside from the totally unnecessary giant Death Star plot which should have been saved for another movie, we actually got some nice interactions between the cast in the second half (especially Han & Leia), and the action actually feels like it's understandable. Also everything on Luke's island is utterly beautiful. Also interesting shot that quotes the Prequels: I liked that the last shot of Kylo Ren was reminiscent of Anakin left to die on the beach of the lava planet, complete with actual lava welling up. Imaginary Friend posted:
I don't know how you could assume any differently.
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computer parts posted:I don't know how you could assume any differently. Her accent! Maybe she's related to Kenobi. [edit] the moose posted:The light saber looks like the one Luke dropped on Bespin. It also sort of looks like the one Anakin had in episode 3 It looks like the one Luke dropped on Bespin and the one Anakin used in Revenge of the Sith because it's the same one, lmao. How can anyone even slightly miss this? Maz Kanata straight up says it was Anakin's lightsaber, passed on to Luke. teagone fucked around with this message at 08:11 on Dec 20, 2015 |
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the moose posted:The light saber looks like the one Luke dropped on Bespin. It also sort of looks like the one Anakin had in episode 3 teagone posted:It looks like the one Luke dropped on Bespin and the one Anakin used in Revenge of the Sith because it's the same one, lmao. How can anyone even slightly miss this? Maz Kanata straight up says it was Anakin's lightsaber, passed on to Luke. Luke Episode IV:  Anakin Episode III: 
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computer parts posted:I don't know how you could assume any differently. Because it'd be a huge dick move to abandon her on Jakku, which is the worst planet in the galaxy. And he's not that much of a dick.
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Dec 20, 2015 08:19
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BrianWilly posted:I would be surprised if Hayden Christensen's ghosty blueness does not grace this trilogy at some point. Anakin's legacy is kind of important to the stuff that's happening. Hayden Christensen's force ghost clowning Kylo would be awesome. "I murdered children, hating myself the entire time! You're praying to my helmet?"
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It's rare to see an action-adventure movie where the humor is handled as well as it is in this. Every joke lands really well, and there are a lot of them.
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Dec 20, 2015 08:22
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Bongo Bill posted:Because it'd be a huge dick move to abandon her on Jakku, which is the worst planet in the galaxy. And he's not that much of a dick. It kind of quotes Episode 3, and it makes sense if his apprentice that killed everyone is still roaming around. Speaking of which, what's up with Snoke? it's hard to imagine he would exist without the Emperor's permission (and Palpatine was a power greedy rear end in a top hat so that seems unlikely).
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Bongo Bill posted:Because it'd be a huge dick move to abandon her on Jakku, which is the worst planet in the galaxy. And he's not that much of a dick. It was a dick move to leave Luke on Tatooine. Maybe he's trying to recreate his "success", since apparently traditional, institutional Jedi training leads to school shooters like Ren adn Anakin. Maybe he thought she had to grow into it.
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Beefstew posted:It was a dick move to leave Luke on Tatooine. Maybe he's trying to recreate his "success", since apparently traditional, institutional Jedi training leads to school shooters like Ren adn Anakin. Maybe he thought she had to grow into it. Well, the difference is Obi-Wan was a dick, and I don't think we're meant to understand that Luke was also a dick after all despite everything. It'd be more than just a solution to a mystery if that turns out to be true. There's another reason why I think that, but I need to go watch it again to make sure I'm remembering the line correctly. Please look forward to it.
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Hazo posted:Yeah I know, it's almost definitely the one from Bespin and hopefully we'll find out how it resurfaced at some point. Not almost definitely. It is definitely. We'll probably learn how it came into Maz's possession in like a novel or something. quote:Of course they're supposed to be the same. They look slightly (yet noticeably) different, however, and it's never explained. I've brought this up in Star Wars threads before and nobody seems to really care so it's obviously not a big deal even to nerds. Here's an explanation. Maybe Obi-Wan replaced some parts in the time between Episode III and Episode IV. Or another is that Lucas didn't really care about 1:1 consistency. Point is it's the same hilt passed down a generation and that's all that matters.
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An interesting twist would be that Rey's origins are exactly the same as Anakin's, only she remembers more. As in, she's a creation of Plagueis or whoever, and he's still jetting around the universe abandoning super Force-sensitive children of his own own creation on desert planets out there to see if anyone else can be more successful than Anakin.
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Aaronicon posted:An interesting twist would be that Rey's origins are exactly the same as Anakin's, only she remembers more. As in, she's a creation of Plagueis or whoever, and he's still jetting around the universe abandoning super Force-sensitive children of his own own creation on desert planets out there to see if anyone else can be more successful than Anakin. I honestly be super down with this. Especially if it turns out that Snoke is Plagueis.
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computer parts posted:It kind of quotes Episode 3, and it makes sense if his apprentice that killed everyone is still roaming around. One of my problems with the film is that Snoke is so ill-defined. In the OT "Emperor of the Galaxy" is kinda self-explanatory, we know it's a big deal before we even see him, but there's not as much a "hook" here. I always felt like the big challenge to making post-Jedi movies would be what the new villainy is, and I feel like they're still not defining that very well.
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Bongo Bill posted:Because it'd be a huge dick move to abandon her on Jakku, which is the worst planet in the galaxy. And he's not that much of a dick. I'm leaning toward the 'didn't know he had a kid' theory. Like, someone shacked up with him for a while (Mara Jade?) and left right after getting pregnant. He'd probably be too distracted with the training of the next Jedi to feel she was pregnant early on. Alternate theory: When Ben Solo went on his rampage and started slaughtering the other students, he sent off his young daughter with a trusted friend (Lor San Tekka) and said "run to the rear end end of the Galaxy and lay low. Watch over her. Here's a piece of a puzzle for 'Break Glass In Case of Sith". Hook up with R2 for to complete the map."
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Hazo posted:Yeah I know, it's almost definitely the one from Bespin and hopefully we'll find out how it resurfaced at some point. It has been raised. https://youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=3_FieJToFKc
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Wank posted:It has been raised. https://youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=3_FieJToFKc lmao
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Wank posted:It has been raised. https://youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=3_FieJToFKc
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Watching Harrison Ford break expensive toys is amazing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0qrxL8oGbE Reposting this.
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If Rey is Luke's daughter like some people are guessing, then who's the mother? Phasma? 
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AndyElusive posted:If Rey is Luke's daughter like some people are guessing, then who's the mother? Phasma? Obviously.
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