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LeadSled posted:So, you're going to stop at episode 30-something and wait five years before continuing? That's what I've done! ...I really should get back to watching it after Christmas is done with.
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Rochallor posted:I am another anime hater who loves LoGH. I will probably make some guesses about what is going to happen in future episodes, but it won't be based on experiences of past anime. It would be more just based on effective storytelling and expectations based on things that I find felt similar. For example, I don't know anything about the show after Conquest (watched it the other day in prep) but it seems like there are a lot of characters. A prediction will be "most of these guys are gonna die". I probably won't be playing a role in the podcast either, no point being an anime hater if I find I don't hate it. That ain't fun or sporting.
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Just thought of something, are you guys going to listen to the entire opening and ending songs each episode? This is important. Also in actual importance, I don't know if you're aware or not but the Next Episode previews can get a bit spoiler-y later on, so I recommend skipping the hell out of those at all times for your first time through the series.
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Takes No Damage posted:Just thought of something, are you guys going to listen to the entire opening and ending songs each episode? This is important. I haven't really thought about if I'm going to listen to the OP and ED every time. Should I? As for the previews, I don't really care about spoilers, but thanks for mentioning it so AP can take note of it.
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I would *definitely* recommend skipping the next episode previews, they aren't just kinda spoiler-filled, they're so chockful of them to the point that it almost tells you everything of note or that could possibly be considered surprising. As for the OP/ED, I'd recommend watching them on the first episode of each set of 4/however many episodes you're doing in one go, but not any more then that. If anything, maybe even fewer. The OP's especially get really grating down the road. The Engrish in the last OP is actually straight up horrible. Mederlock fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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Dec 22, 2015 01:13
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Are the spoilers like "here's what happens," or "here's what happens and also everything that leads to it?" When I'm watching something and really enjoying it I tend to look up the ending. To me knowing the end result makes the twists and turns that lead to it way more enjoyable.
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I'm not really sure what the distinction between the two is, but they very blatantly give away major events/reveals/deaths with extreme frequency.
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Within an episode, the narrator foreshadows things in a way that you'd expect to see in a documentary about history, which is what LoGH is, fictionally. It's sort of funny to see how much the narrator can poo poo on what seems to be the happy end of an episode. During the next episode preview, he will flat out spoil major events in a way that's very defeating and unsatisfying. Watch the ed and op of each 'season' at least once, but don't feel required to do so more than that. Some of the eds are good IMO, but just about all of the ops are pretty terrible. Just remember sometimes the eds and ops are replaced for a little more run time.
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I'm a spoiler free kind of guy, but it's tough to say definitively, as it also depends from episode. Some are fine, others really just spoil all the interesting bits of plot of the next episode E: And yeah, if you decide to skip the OP/ED, make sure to always watch the first ~10 seconds of the episode anyways to make sure that they didn't cut it out for more runtime in the episode. They'll trick you too because they'll play the OP song and the first shots of the Galaxy that they tend to have, and then fade into the episode 15 seconds in Mederlock fucked around with this message at 01:56 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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Dec 22, 2015 01:52
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Yeah it's kinda tough to say. A lot of times it will be the closing scenes of an episode and the narrator will jump in with a "But little did they know that they would soon be bla bla bla". The story justification for this is that the entire show is modeled after a WWII documentary on the History Channel, and we're all complaining that they spoil what happens to Hitler half way through  On the OP/ED front I think each of the 4 different openings and closings are done by the same artist (?) so it can be neat to recognize them as you go through the seasons, but realistically I wouldn't watch the entire things more than a couple of times each season. And like some have said they get dropped pretty often and they just run credits over more scenes because there was too much badass political intrigue to contain in a single episode that week.
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Nate RFB posted:I'm not really sure what the distinction between the two is, but they very blatantly give away major events/reveals/deaths with extreme frequency. It's the difference between knowing only the destination, and knowing the destination as well as the route you're taking to get there. I enjoy the journey to the story's end way more than the denouement itself. Just knowing how things turn out doesn't really mean anything for me if there's no context of what it took for events to get to that point. However it sounds like LOGH does more than just spoil the end, so I'll do my best to avoid the previews as well.
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mikeycp posted:It's the difference between knowing only the destination, and knowing the destination as well as the route you're taking to get there. The episode previews just don't add very much of anything to the story or mood. Its often that the preview simply rehashes some event you already expect based on the plot of the episode you just watched. They also have a clippy pace to them that doesn't mesh with the rest of the show. I never skipped a single op/Ed because they were relaxing and I only watched 1-2 episodes each night. The last OP is kind of a bear though.
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mikeycp posted:Are the spoilers like "here's what happens," or "here's what happens and also everything that leads to it?" The worst ones are stuff like 'and they never saw each other again' or 'this was right before so and so betrayed everyone'. The previews assume that you already know the entire story back to front. The spoilers do ruin a lot of the surprises and twists but I like that it adds another dimension to the show. If you're watching it for the first time there are some really major plot points that they will outright highlight but if you have time to binge through it, you can always just jump to the next episode. If you think that knowing about Caesar's death or who won the Battle of Waterloo before reading a history book on that era then by all means, skip the previews. Episode format and narrator spoiler You're basically watching a PBS style dramatic retelling of a chaotic period of human history. You could easily substitute the story for the conquests of Alexander the Great or the War of the Roses and lose none of the themes about warfare, alcohol, government etc that the show raises up. There's actually a couple of episodes that are straight out set as documentaries and explain how the Empire and Free Planet Alliance was formed. I also really liked the fact that the narrator wasn't omniscient. There are times where you'll watch a scene and he'll say how future historians couldn't agree on why this person did this or he'll describe a character's motivation but it's up to you to decide whether he's right or not.
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I got the impression more than once that the series was designed with the expectation that you'd already read the book, which, of course, isn't true of anyone in the West, or at least isn't true yet. (Can't wait until March and English release of volume 1). The next episode previews are basically "the next episode is the one where this happens" and are aimed at people who have heard the story before. It would be like if they made a big epic about the Trojan War here and an episode featuring Achilles sulking in his tent ended with "Next time: Achilles returns to the battlefield in grief as he watches Patroclus fall to the Trojans. Will Hector be able to withstand Achilles' fury?"
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Well, this is a good a place as any: Was there any exposition on the history of the FPA from its founding to the present? I don't recall there being one in the show. I actually specifically remember Reinhard reading a book about it in front of a fireplace, as if to taunt me. There's an episode about the various emperors but that was probably a lot easier to write than a multiparty democracy. Hell, I don't think we get much of a summary of the FPA's structure. IIRC during the scene where they're having the vote for invading the Galactic Empire it seems implied that people vote for all secretary/chair positions independently (you wouldn't need a majority vote if it was a typical cabinet) but the results are usually partyline. This scene specifically: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78juY_OcxrI And of course the sane ones are the economist and the guy from human resources. Also whatever Job's position was at this time. Need to rewatch. I mean none of this is necessary from a storytelling perspective but I'm still curious.
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Job was the secretary of defense at the time, and he was simply strategic voting.
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Job was secretary of defense, whose throwaway vote against the invasion of the empire somehow didnt count as a veto. The fpa's power structure is not very elaborated on as far as i remember. It seems to be a lot of ineffective bickering committees, which demonstrates the flaws of democratic rule i suppose.
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It's been pointed out as a flaw by some that the Reich is kind of a super idealized benevolent authoritarian regime, but I feel like that's kind of the whole point. LoGH is asking the question "If there was a dictatorship that made the trains run on time and wasn't genociding anybody, would that be better than democracy with all of its flaws and inefficiencies?" It's not necessarily a strawman question, especially if you were paying attention to the obituaries when Lee Kuan Yew died. There's people who seem to think democracy is good simply because its more efficient than dictatorship, better at keeping a chicken in every pot and the GDP growing year over year. LoGH wants to know whether democracy is a good in and of itself. Bucock's final scene is one answer. Another, particularly Japanese one, is when Yang says something along the lines of, "In a democracy, the people can't evade responsibility for what their nation does." I feel like this is one of the only stories I've seen that truly promotes the value of freedom and democracy in a meaningful way, because its the only one that doesn't take it for granted. So yeah show owns.
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The FPA government always, to me, seemed to be some weird variant of a directorial system. Spoilers! It's usually a very bad way of running a democracy. Today, only Switzerland is structured in this way. Falathrim fucked around with this message at 05:44 on Dec 23, 2015 |
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Philosopher kings, basically. I don't know how to put it in Plato's terms, but those guys would be dictator/tyrant. Those words are usually pejorative but hey man if the king is wise as gently caress then poo poo should be good. Both groups suffer the same problem: corruption. It's really impossible to get rid of corruption and have those philosopher kings, so... Idk, viva la revolution I guess. Although these kinds of problems are somewhat inherent in hierarchical power structures like the ones in logh. Nobody ever entertains ideas like collectivization.
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Is Legend of Galactic Heroes the only show to feature (Season 2 spoilers) a 16 year old drinking whiskey with his dad's best friend explaining how he's happy that his adopted father is getting married but conflicted because he has a crush on his stepmom-to-be? I think it might be.
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The first episode of our LoGH podcast is live! It covers My Conquest is the Sea of Stars. Here are the links: Audio Version YouTube Version I hope to be able to get episodes up this early every week, but sometimes they may come out on Monday. I hope y'all enjoy. If anyone has suggestions, please let us know! We want to make this the best product that we can.
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mikeycp posted:The first episode of our LoGH podcast is live! It covers My Conquest is the Sea of Stars. Iserlohn Fortress itself is submerged underneath A liquid metal sea. Anti aircraft guns and Ship launch tubes can surface and fire/launch ships than re submerge. Physical munitions and laser weaponry are absorbed and dissipated by the metal sea. Combined with the stationed fleet and it's massive cannon the fortress is nearly impregnable.
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Gaius Marius posted:To explain about Iserlohn. Holt crap. That's super loving rad. I'll definitely read this info out in the next recording.
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Yeah you'll see it plenty in future episodes, but imagine the Death Star covered in mercury. Ships can slowly fly through no problem, but lasers or explosives will have all their energy absorbed before they could reach the 'surface' of the station and cause actual damage.
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Just started watching this and holy moly. This is fantastic. Then once the PKC shows up: 
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My absolute favourite thing which I only noticed on a rewatch? When the PKC appear and surround Jessica, they're actually sinsterly humming the Alliance National Anthem.
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They just can't contain how much they love Freedom.
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The_White_Crane posted:My absolute favourite thing which I only noticed on a rewatch? Maybe it's just cuz I've watched it a number of times, but that part seems really obvious, considering they just had EVERYONE sing the national anthem in the scene before. Edit: don't get me wrong though, it's really creepy and ominous. DamnGlitch fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Jan 17, 2016 |
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Episode 2 of the podcast is live. This one covers episodes 1-4. Audio Version YouTube Version I hope everyone who chooses to partake has as good a time listening as we do recording! If my giving updates gets too much, tell me and I'll stop. No worries! e: Due to extenuating circumstances e2: We will definitely be skipping LOGH next week, due to personal reasons for AP. However randombattle and I will be recording an episode about mikeycp fucked around with this message at 09:28 on Jan 19, 2016 |
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The two corridors are pretty much a handwave to create the two bottlenecks for the convenience of the story. "Small stretches of passable space in an otherwise unnavigable area" or whatever. There is at least one moment IIRC where the ships actually butt up against the "edge" and it's damaging to them in the same way hitting the electrical walls in F-Zero would be.
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Takes No Damage posted:Yeah you'll see it plenty in future episodes, but imagine the Death Star covered in mercury. Ships can slowly fly through no problem, but lasers or explosives will have all their energy absorbed before they could reach the 'surface' of the station and cause actual damage. The interiors of Iserlohn make up some of my favourite shots of the show. The place looks like ESB's Cloud City, but noir as gently caress because there is only artificial lightning.
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mikeycp posted:The first episode of our LoGH podcast is live! It covers My Conquest is the Sea of Stars. I think you guys are hard-selling the original Gundam and its successors a bit hard to your friend, and I'm quite fond of those UC series. The whole Gundam arc from the original series through Zeta, ZZ, and Char's Counterattack is obviously massively influential on anime of many different genres for decades to come, but the original series and Zeta both come off as incredibly heavy-handed with their war=bad moral message in a way that can be off-putting and that other series have done in more subtle ways. Not that Legend of Galactic Heroes is that much less heavy-handed on that message, as you've already seen by ep 4. Both Reinhard and Yang, in their own ways, see the war as pointless and, at best for both our protagonists, it's a quick means for military advancement through the hierarchy. Of course, LOGH is more "war is inevitable and is the natural state of affairs for man...and is also bad" than just "war is bad."
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Patter Song posted:I think you guys are hard-selling the original Gundam and its successors a bit hard to your friend, and I'm quite fond of those UC series. The whole Gundam arc from the original series through Zeta, ZZ, and Char's Counterattack is obviously massively influential on anime of many different genres for decades to come, but the original series and Zeta both come off as incredibly heavy-handed with their war=bad moral message in a way that can be off-putting and that other series have done in more subtle ways. I would ultimately agree, though I do think Gundam is still definitely worth watching for the purpose of seeing what came before as well as seeing a different take on it, even if it's a less nuanced one. Plus we just like Gundam quite a bit.
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mikeycp posted:I would ultimately agree, though I do think Gundam is still definitely worth watching for the purpose of seeing what came before as well as seeing a different take on it, even if it's a less nuanced one. Plus we just like Gundam quite a bit. I like UC Gundams as well. I enjoyed the much-maligned ZZ Gundam especially: Judau Ashta's arc from  "this war is stupid and pointless" to  "This war is stupid and pointless" is great.
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I would probably have liked Zeta Gundam if the protag wasn't just the whiniest piece of poo poo I've had the misfortune of experiencing this side of NGE for most(all?) of the show
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0079 and Zeta aren't anti-war. They don't pretend it's a nice thing but they're environmentalist new-age revolution deals, not pacificist.
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I am pretty sure Kamille manned up by at least halfway through. And even before then, kid going on a rampage in a mobile suit to pick on the Titan bullies who picked on him was actually kind of great. It's like yeah, of course that's what some bullied kid would do if you gave him a giant robot.
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Zeta is great because the protagonist is basically Timothy McVeigh
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mikeycp posted:Episode 2 of the podcast is live. This one covers episodes 1-4. In your discussion of the Kaiser you seem to have missed the most important part of his character that shows up in these episodes: sure, he seems a pretty chill old man -- but also one that forced a young woman to become his mistress using the power of his office.
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