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I enjoyed this quote from the Reddit thread:code:
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jassi007 posted:So a post appeared on reddit stating that most of the l3's and some other judge in the Southeast U.S. region just got DCI suspensions ranging from 3 months to 3 years. The RC or former RC? commented on the thread basically stating it is bullshit. The only thing on WOTC's site seems to really vaguely indicate it had something to do with all the Oath of the Gatewatch leaks. Basically Corporate got mad and demanded bans for absolutely anyone in the entire judge network who could have stopped it, regardless of how reasonable stopping it would have been for them.
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Zoness posted:http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/news/statement-concerning-recent-suspensions-2015-12-21  In case you didn't already know, never be a loving judge. WOTC doesn't give a poo poo about you.
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Niton posted:Basically Corporate got mad and demanded bans for absolutely anyone in the entire judge network who could have stopped it, regardless of how reasonable stopping it would have been for them. *grappling hooks into another judge's house* "Give me all your computronics. All of them." *pulls out assault rifle* "I'm plugging this leak... or I'll plug you... with bullets"
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Dec 22, 2015 03:29
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I think it's how you spin it but like I think wotc is right to ban anyone that could be involved since it's not like, a case of criminal action or anything.
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Dec 22, 2015 03:32
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Oh no, not being unable to officiate wizard cards for 3 months; that's the worst punishment ever!
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Dec 22, 2015 03:34
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Niton posted:Basically Corporate got mad and demanded bans for absolutely anyone in the entire judge network who could have stopped it, regardless of how reasonable stopping it would have been for them. How could they have stopped it? "please guys, we're gonna get in trouble!" like a little narc?
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Dec 22, 2015 03:37
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Rip in peace, these guys who were just trying to save us from preordering a bad set. 
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Dec 22, 2015 03:40
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"What is the virtue of a proportional response?"
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GoutPatrol posted:How could they have stopped it? "please guys, we're gonna get in trouble!" like a little narc? Which is funny because it appears the person who reported it first was banned. GeneX posted:Oh no, not being unable to officiate wizard cards for 3 months; that's the worst punishment ever! The people who do the most thankless job which seems to get shittier to do every year definitely seems like a group of people I would have put more thought into taking this sort of action. The short term bans themselves aren't much but what did it buy them? At the expense of bad PR and affects of organized play for an entire region did what exactly? Seems like WOTC took a no win situation and just made it worse for nothing.
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Wizards has not violated anybody's rights with this decision but it was still pretty fuckheaded. That said, you shouldn't play magic anyways so wizards is really doing them a favor.
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Dec 22, 2015 03:47
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Your potential to commit a crime warrants further banning.
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Zoness posted:I think it's how you spin it but like I think wotc is right to ban anyone that could be involved since it's not like, a case of criminal action or anything. A blanket ban is lovely, and it really is too bad it doesn't do worse for their reputation as a company. I sure hope it discourages people from wanting to judge for this shitshow of a game, though. Wizards doesn't deserve the time and effort the people who do that put into it.
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Sickening posted:Which is funny because it appears the person who reported it first was banned. WotC is the DNC!?
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This will lead to a judge strike and a shutdown of all DCI sanctioned tournaments larger than FNM. Behold the end times of Magic.
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Dec 22, 2015 03:55
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End of Life Guy posted:This will lead to a judge strike and a shutdown of all DCI sanctioned tournaments larger than FNM. Behold the end times of Magic. What a wonderful world such would be
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Sickening posted:Which is funny because it appears the person who reported it first was banned. Christ, why not just go back to Alpha's system of coin flips and friendly warnings for resolving rules disputes?
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Few among the players have ever spoken with Hasbro, but all have felt their influence.
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Dec 22, 2015 03:59
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Magic has so many codes and statutes that you're always in violation of one of them.
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suicidesteve posted:English only, original art only, and IIRC no revised. So yes, very much so. I guess I'm playing Renegade 93/94 then. Seriously without all that stupid poo poo, playing old Magic is pretty fun, as a break and as a contrast to newer stuff. I'm all in favor of more formats other than Standard/Vintage/Legacy/Modern/EDH being played. I would love to do a proxy Onslaught block draft or something like that over the holidays too.
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End of Life Guy posted:This will lead to a judge strike and a shutdown of all DCI sanctioned tournaments larger than FNM. Behold the end times of Magic. I can only hope this will happen because it would be hilarious.
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"We will prove your guilt. We don't suspend the innocent, you know." —Arrester Lavinia, WoTC
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Banning a judge is an act of mercy.
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We have confiscated your judges as evidence. Once we conclude our investigation, you may petition to have them returned.
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Watch Bergeot start a loving war
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Lets alls stop playing magic in protest of who cares whatever
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TheKingofSprings posted:What a wonderful world such would be Please let this happen.
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Lets alls stop playing magic in protest of who cares whatever Miles ahead of you. So many trading card games, so little time to play them all. "For the judges, the opportunity to serve Wizards is too great an honor for suspensions to interrupt."
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End of Life Guy posted:This will lead to a judge strike and a shutdown of all DCI sanctioned tournaments larger than FNM. Behold the end times of Magic. Maro would combust from how casually they one-upped his decades of work killing magic.
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Amid rumors of boycotts, the third act of The Suspension of the Leakers was quickly rewritten as a tragedy.
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[–]KyleCardoza Unpopular opinion: leaks damage the game, and Wizards was too gentle. I'd have banned anyone who knew anything for life. [–]devintron If they were responsible for the leaks, wotc went too easy. Leaks damage the game. [–]segelah without an official statement from wotc, this calls into question the whole judging community. not a good look for the game, I'd say. [–]firebreather209 As someone who literally would not have become a judge at all without one of the people on the list (and has been inspired to become a better judge by literally every judge on that list), I literally made a flamethrower today I'm so furious.
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"Your deed cannot be undone. You, however, can be suspended." --Agosto, Wizards imperator
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Sorry I leaked your set. Here's some gold.
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"You can always count on the DCI to ruin a party." —Massacred judges
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there is no such thing as a plea of innocence before the DCI. a plea of innocence is guilty of wasting my time. guilty. -inquisitor bergeot
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While this leak was more annoying than most considering all the goofy ~*SIXTH COLOR*~ drama it caused, I fail to see how leaks "damage the game" beyond making the cheering when they officially reveal the card at some event a little quieter.
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Why are the leakers being evaluated as judges rather than as leakers? Or rather, why does being a judge mitigate the fact that they did something they shouldn't, and why is hearsay the basis of propriety? Zoness fucked around with this message at 04:56 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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Let's face it, a three month ban is the bare minimum they could punish people with. If the stories of being banned for not doing anything to stop it are true, then it's obviously bowing to corporate pressure. There are a few people who got much longer suspensions, and they are probably the people who actually leaked the cards. I wish I was more involved in the judge projects part of judging so I knew what project these folks were on and how they actually came to have access to these cards in the first place. I don't judge large events a lot anymore, but two of the judges were people I really liked seeing at big events, and now I don't know if I'll ever see them again. The guy who is the loudest on that Reddit thread, Turner, was the Regional Coordinator for all judges in the Southeast. Everyone liked him, and he was fun to judge with. I doubt he's coming back, especially seeing as he's about ready to spill the beans on exactly what happened - something WotC probably doesn't want. I understand WotC banning people who leaked cards, and I understand the splash damage to an extent, it was just mishandled in a way that the entire L2+ community is freaking out. Zoness posted:Why are the leakers being evaluated as judges rather than as leakers? I can only guess that being a judge somehow allowed these people access to the cards.
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People who have to work a lovely job, get poo poo on by their overlords. Suckers all the way down. Seems like a dumb move on WOTC part, but they constantly do that and it seems to be working for them
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Foma posted:People who have to work a lovely job, get poo poo on by their overlords. Suckers all the way down. Is it really a job when you get paid product?
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