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JcDent posted:Well, not like being a helot was fun and games. Didn't young Spartans used them as practice from time to time? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crypteia
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Maybe we can all just agree that slavery is bad and return to the topic at hand. (beholder butts of course  )
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Yeah that, but even still; basically you had the real citizens of the city-state, and then you had all these outlying villages and towns full of people who owed, by virtue of being born in that town or not being born to a citizen, servitude to the citizens. They were slaves in the sense that they had far fewer rights, and the city-state owned the products of their labors... but they still got to own homes, marry, raise families, have money, buy things, there was some degree of socioeconomic mobility, etc. It sucked compared to being a free person, no question. And greek history is full of cases when the Spartans or Athenians or whoever, took it upon themselves to brutalize some helots, or let them get brutalized by enemies because whatever they're not full citizens. But I think a greek of the time, even a spartan, would have been absolutely horrified by the practices of chattel slavery in the US. Not that every (especially Northerner) Revolutionary War hero brutalized their slaves as a matter of course, mind you, but still: by modern standards most of those guys were willingly participating in a systemic atrocity. Like people say "oh, Thomas Jefferson freed his slaves in his will!" and that's supposed to make him a great guy? "You get to be free after I'm dead and can no longer use you" isn't what I call charity.
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Vlaada Chvatil posted:
Those are loving weird but the Aztec Jaguar shoulderpads and APC doors could make for a pretty cool themed army.
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Why, you insensitive... don't you know that the Aztecs practiced human sacrifice?!
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El Estrago Bonito posted:I never got the obsession with Boudica. She's like the go-to warrior queen even though she was really really bad at that stuff and got her rear end handed to her during the one real battle she fought against the Romans. I guess it's probably because there isn't a large amount of stuff written about her so unlike a lot of other strong historical women leaders (ex: Ching Shih) we don't have the context that points to, like most strong leaders in history, them also being ruthless and generally not very nice (ex: Olga of Kiev). Oh, we got plenty of records of Boadicea being pretty drat nasty to the cities she captured - lot of Roman towns destroyed and the people slaughtered and mutilated in various innovative ways. She was pretty obscure for most of the Roman era and middle ages, but got a real boost in popularity during the Victorian era when someone realized her name translated as 'Victory'...
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Dec 19, 2015 05:13
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She is the only prominent british female warrior figure of the era, so I guess the Victorians ran with it and built her up into a heroic legend. Probably to please Queen Victoria who was quite into invading places as the strong female figure of her era.
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Leperflesh posted:Yeah that, but even still; basically you had the real citizens of the city-state, and then you had all these outlying villages and towns full of people who owed, by virtue of being born in that town or not being born to a citizen, servitude to the citizens. They were slaves in the sense that they had far fewer rights, and the city-state owned the products of their labors... but they still got to own homes, marry, raise families, have money, buy things, there was some degree of socioeconomic mobility, etc. No, the Spartans would not be horrified. They were a cruel and tyrannical slave-state that functioned on eternal war, state-sanctioned murder for sport, and pedophilia. Classical fetishism is absurd and stupid and I know you're better than that. 
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Small Frozen Thing posted:They were a cruel and tyrannical slave-state that functioned on eternal war, state-sanctioned murder for sport, and pedophilia. i only glanced at your post but this sounds p much like the USA to me
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DOWN JACKET FETISH posted:i only glanced at your post but this sounds p much like the USA to me Exactly Why would a Spartan be horrified by their modern equivalent
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Small Frozen Thing posted:Exactly They probably wouldn't like the gay bashing though.
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Small Frozen Thing posted:No, the Spartans would not be horrified. They were a cruel and tyrannical slave-state that functioned on eternal war, state-sanctioned murder for sport, and pedophilia. Classical fetishism is absurd and stupid and I know you're better than that. OK? I'm certainly not fetishizing the spartans and I agree they were awful. I was just trying to address a common misconception that all slaves were slaves in the same style as the American slavery system. I know more generally about greek city states than I do specifically about sparta so I'll defer to your expertise on the subject.
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Fathis Munk posted:Maybe we can all just agree that slavery is bad and return to the topic at hand. This dude used to be the pride and joy of my collection back when I was 16 when I figured I'd get into warhammer (I used to spend Saturdays hanging out at the local games workshop looking at people playing with their armies). Then I realised that those things cost way too much for my allowance at the time and that was the end of that. I still look fondly at this dumb ork and by some dumb twist of fate he's now a solid part of my parent's Christmas decoration   
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Dec 20, 2015 09:29
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a waaaargh in a manger
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Dec 20, 2015 11:06
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I like the lonely drop of red on the back of the sword.
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Atlas Hugged posted:I like the lonely drop of red on the back of the sword. A sad blood stain.
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Atlas Hugged posted:I like the lonely drop of red on the back of the sword. Miraculous conception my rear end.
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Gifts of gold, frankincense, and dakka.
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Marius Leitdorf's shawing razor. That on nick made him crazy.
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Dec 21, 2015 07:14
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Wrong thread 
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Dec 21, 2015 12:34
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El Estrago Bonito posted:Yeah this was a thing that had to always be pointed out when I was teaching people about the Dark Ages. The Vikings technically owned slaves but due to how poor most people were and how the legal code treated slaves you actually might have it better off as a slave since the law required that your owner feed and clothe you, so often you'd get food when, for instance, your owners kids wouldn't. They also had different levels of slavery, where you had slave slaves and indentured servants. Slaves often had it better off in strange ways because of how Viking society perceived a sense of honor. If you were a slave, especially one from far off lands you were often better regarded than some indentured servants because you weren't forced into servitude by dept or family pressure but instead had to be taken by force. Indentured servants were common as well, often a single household would have several bondsmen bound to it's leader, but there was an intricate web of how honorable of a bondsmen you were based on exactly how you became an indentured servant (pledging your sword to a strong leader = very honorable and noble, your dad owed money to a guy so he gave him his 15 year old son = bad for your parents, not terrible for you since you were now essentially a surrogate son of a more powerful guy, tribe got beaten up by the household owners tribe = a horrible lowlife dirtperson is you). The other thing about Dark Ages and Ancient slavery was that it was an economic necessity. Colonial and American slavery was more about producing luxury items like cotton and sugar whereas a earlier slavery was more about producing enough food to keep the household alive and maybe give the landlord enough time to gently caress up Reeve Shithead in the next county over. The industrial revolution was a hell of a thing is what I am saying. At least we don't live in the Grim Dark Future of the Battletech universe... 
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I guess subtle isn't on the menu today
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SRM posted:I guess subtle isn't on the menu today What is that hand? Don't tell me someone ruined an old armorcast titan...
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Leperflesh posted:OK? I'm certainly not fetishizing the spartans and I agree they were awful. I was just trying to address a common misconception that all slaves were slaves in the same style as the American slavery system. Sorry, didn't mean to come off all aggro. The Spartans were just really lovely dudes all around is all, and in the wake of 300 I find I tend to jump the gun a bit.  
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LordAba posted:What is that hand? Don't tell me someone ruined an old armorcast titan... They were ruined the first day they were cast.
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enough about slavery, let's just chill with a nice refreshing glass of Um Bongo 
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oh god those lips
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goatface posted:oh god those lips The lips are the most important part!
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SRM posted:I guess subtle isn't on the menu today DRILL YOUR BARRELS EDIT: I just looked up armorcast titans   He's got a head for a groin and missiles for a head. EDIT2: vvv I never don't blame GW. hooman fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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To be fair the angle on that Reaver doesn't help, they have a pronounced hunchback. It's also pretty much an exact upscale of the original GW one, so blame them not Armorcast 
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Colonial Air Force posted:So this is the one they guide you through painting: Reporting in to say I saw battletech played for the first time in real life and these images ring the outside of the box.
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Exactly. Lots of early GW models were really goofy. Sometimes that was good, sometimes it wasn't.
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At least those pymgy's don't have gender separation in their palm artillery regiments. Are they better or worse, or GW Pigmys? Also, wtf are armorcast titans?
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IIRC, before Forgeworld was around Armorcast made big GW models. They were.... interesting. Lots of the flaws that miniatures of that era had in general.
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Dec 22, 2015 16:58
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What kind of ammo are these things shooting and where is it stored?
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Cat Face Joe posted:What kind of ammo are these things shooting and where is it stored?
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hosed if I know. Maybe they're energy weapons and all you need is a battery. If not, you're putting more thought into this than the sculptors.
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Cat Face Joe posted:What kind of ammo are these things shooting and where is it stored? How is that a question you would ever ask in Hams? I, of course, googled armor cast and immediately set out to see if they have any cheap minis I would like. Turns out, they have the perfect thing if you're furry, but don't want to give money to no spanish weeb space skirmish game maker:  Would be awesome for that guy on 4chan who posted his family of handmade life sized female furry dolls.
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:IIRC, before Forgeworld was around Armorcast made big GW models. They were.... interesting. Lots of the flaws that miniatures of that era had in general. Armorcast poo poo owns. They just upscaled Epic models without adding any detail and they're early 90s as gently caress. I remember seeing those Warhounds and Reavers at conventions every year from this one painting service and I always thought they were the coolest thing. They've got nothing on Forgeworld, detail-wise, but they're charmingly 90s.
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