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zedprime posted:Was 4X really something people expected Spore to be? I remember more wishful thinking about Star Control 2 They sorta tried to sell that it would turn into that, but there's no reason that anyone should have believed that.
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:I am beyond excited for Stellaris, if it ends up living up to the expectations it sets for itself I'll be a very happy Paradox fanboy indeed! Starting out as an uplifted civ could be an interesting scenario. I fully expect Paradox to add extra dimensional civs ala Star Control 2. Humanity uplifted by the Arilou. Get eaten by Orz.
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I have a feeling some of this is DLC material. I can see them doing a lot with uplifted civs in a Conquest of Paradise-like DLC.
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Wont even care is there is 150 bucks of dlc if they keep developing it.
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I haven't felt this excited about a game since Moo3 and all it's amazing promises. Please don't moo3 me 
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We are now entering the "grognard gamers tell the thread that they've been hurt before" portion of the program, please hold on to your butts.
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zedprime posted:Was 4X really something people expected Spore to be? I remember more wishful thinking about Star Control 2. Spore was immensely disappointing, but to their credit I think the hype for Spore was mostly user-generated, to the point Maxis realized what was about to happen and started actively saying 'look, guys, shut the gently caress up, this isn't Cell Stage->Diablo->Populous->Civ->(generic good 4x here, maybe Stellaris?), it's nowhere near that deep', but by then it had gone way too crazy. Of course, the original videos saying 'what your creature is shaped like has a HUGE impact on gameplay!' getting taken out didn't help. Look, what I'm saying is, Paradox, what you need to do is fill in the gaps and make converters that goes Evolution Universalis->Stone Age Universalis->Rome 2->CK2->EU4->Vicky 3->HOI4->Europa (the moon) Universalis->Stellaris and you will officially have All Of My Money. I think the thing I'm most hyped for with Stellaris is that this isn't like other 4xs, if something's wrong Paradox will just patch it up and, if necessary, expand it to make it better.
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Sky Shadowing posted:Spore was immensely disappointing, but to their credit I think the hype for Spore was mostly user-generated http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7562528.stm quote:The game takes evolution as its broad theme and is the creation of famed developer Will Wright. Many believe it will change gaming just like his previous effort The Sims did. Right, user generated. I would suggest that games are sold by for profit entities called businesses and that they try to sell as many as they can to people and that the exaggerated stuff they claim as part of the sales process (which is normal and common) is not the fault of the people they are trying to sell it to.
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I don't mean that standard marketing-hype, I meant the general opinion prior to release that Spore would be all your favorite games rolled into one and would be The Last Game You'll Ever Need. The creative tools were and remain impressive, it just was that there wasn't an actual good game. People literally were convinced that every stage was going to be a fantastic game in and of itself, and in the end it took mere hours to run through them all and hit the space stage. Even so, the species I played in Spore has stuck with me and will be modded into Stellaris day 1.
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why are people so fixated with game converters i can kind of, kind of, understand the logic of a CK to EU converter but by the time you're done with EU you have to be mentally challenged not to be dominating the entire world or have a ridiculous blobfest who will only further monopolize the world by the end of Vic.
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Sky Shadowing posted:Spore was immensely disappointing, but to their credit I think the hype for Spore was mostly user-generated, to the point Maxis realized what was about to happen and started actively saying 'look, guys, shut the gently caress up, this isn't Cell Stage->Diablo->Populous->Civ->(generic good 4x here, maybe Stellaris?), it's nowhere near that deep', but by then it had gone way too crazy. Of course, the original videos saying 'what your creature is shaped like has a HUGE impact on gameplay!' getting taken out didn't help. A fertile crescent / dawn of civ / ancient egypt game would be cool.
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Mans posted:why are people so fixated with game converters The use I'd seen in converters is generating vaguely-organic alternate starts, and that'd be better served with some sort of map shuffler.
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Converters are good for LP/RP runs where you're telling a story rather than thinking of it as a game that you have to win. I've used a converted save a total of two times.
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Honestly, a customization DLC like they have for EU4, except for CK2 would be a dream come true. Especially if it let you also randomize tha landmass. Alas, alas.
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If fallen empires are as full featured as they seem to be, just based on pre-dev diary peripheral information, does this mean that this will be the first game in which you can make a full-galactic-scale 40k mod that can actually replicate all the insanity of the setting, instead of just being a reskin?
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NewMars posted:If fallen empires are as full featured as they seem to be, just based on pre-dev diary peripheral information, does this mean that this will be the first game in which you can make a full-galactic-scale 40k mod that can actually replicate all the insanity of the setting, instead of just being a reskin? I didn't even think about this possibility. With this option and Total Warhammer it will be hard to be disappointed.
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I hope everyone will temper their expectations on Stellaris. Especially considering it is obviously a dry run in the vein of Sengoku for Rome II with a procedurally-generated unexplored map.
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:I hope everyone will temper their expectations on Stellaris. Especially considering it is obviously a dry run in the vein of Sengoku for Rome II with a procedurally-generated unexplored map. Whoa whoa. I don't think Sengoku is a fair comparison here.
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:I hope everyone will temper their expectations on Stellaris. Especially considering it is obviously a dry run in the vein of Sengoku for Rome II with a procedurally-generated unexplored map. Rome 2? I think you mean Rome 4(5,6): Rome'ing Space. 
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Dec 22, 2015 10:26
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ALL Paradox games to date have been dry runs building up to the glory of Rome II.
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Demiurge4 posted:Whoa whoa. I don't think Sengoku is a fair comparison here.
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Merry Christmas: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/victoria-2-3-04-beta-patch-merry-christmas.898844/
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 I can't download the patch because I bought V2 on Gamersgate.
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Takanago posted:
Same. I didn't even know V2 was available on Steam, it's that old.  e: jesus loving h christ V2 + HOD is £30 on Steam 
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podcat posted:Merry Christmas: https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/victoria-2-3-04-beta-patch-merry-christmas.898844/ Oh shiiiiiiiiiiiiii- quote:Added World Wars, the next level after Great Wars. a GW can become a WW after mass politics (1905) is researched and the winning side gains 50% warscore. After this all wargoals have their cost cut to 30% allowing you to really dismantle stuff at the end of the game. -iiiit!!
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I'm one of the people who really liked Vicky 2 - broken mechanics and all - but hadn't planned on playing it again any time soon. But with this maybe I'll pick it up again and give the patch a try through the holidays...
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Enjoy posted:https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/677983075104608258 Please, podcat and Wiz, this makes me irrationally upset!
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Autonomous Monster posted:Same. I didn't even know V2 was available on Steam, it's that old. heh  as I posted on our forum: "We will make some kind of zip archive available after christmas when we got some testing on this beta. I cant do it now because I dont even know what servers I can use (we havent done non-steam for a long time)"
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Autonomous Monster posted:Same. I didn't even know V2 was available on Steam, it's that old. A lot of key resellers (e.g. g2play.net) have it for under 10€. Or you just wait until the next steam sale, when all paradox products will be reduced by 75% again 
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The next steam sale is today, by the way.
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AI no longer believes the Age of Sail ended in 1936.
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I really wish V2 had better mod support on steam because as cool as the patch is I dread trawling on moddb for new versions of the ones I use.
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Didn't plan to add it but I got annoyed while working that I couldn't have full-screen and tab to the development environment without going mental. How to make programmers do stuff: make it really annoying. Programmers are really lazy and don't got the energy to deal with bullshit.
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quote:Fascist Siam now called Thailand  Pdox getting political
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Thank you. This is all cool stuff, the big one for me is removing the event spam you get about debt repayment CBs because I never feel like I really need that £200 back from Jahore. Now please make provincial colonial races not a hopeless effort unless you are called Great Britain. Just add a cutoff point of "whoever gets here first wins" at a certain level in the race. In my Sweden game I once had a colony going to like 10 levels before calling it quits because GB just had what felt like a bottomless pool of points. I wouldn't mind if there was more thought in winning a colonial race, but it is just a case of 'hover over province and hope you pause on the right day so you can click a button". It isn't super fun to bother with one. Another Person fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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Another Person posted:Thank you. This is all cool stuff, the big one for me is removing the event spam you get about debt repayment CBs because I never feel like I really need that £200 back from Jahore. Easiest way to win the colonial race is to have a couple honeypot places where you get a bunch of GPs to fight each other, or you hold a front vs one gp while you colonize a bunch of other places uncontested and block/section off large swathes of Africa.
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:
Russian empire seems to start with no army... a statement about contemporary Russian militarism?
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Also: NMM seems to work out of the box with the patch (or at least it isn't crashing for me in my spain game)
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Easiest way to win the colonial race is to have a couple honeypot places where you get a bunch of GPs to fight each other, or you hold a front vs one gp while you colonize a bunch of other places uncontested and block/section off large swathes of Africa. I just let the AI do that to itself over on the coast of Africa where everyone and their dog already has a province. France/Britain standoff over there is pretty much guaranteed. The mechanic just doesn't feel particularly deep though and it definitely isn't fun to get involved in. That is really my big issue with it. I really wouldn't mind if it had any further levels to it past 'stall for time while you take everything to the East of the competition hotspot'. Maybe add some events to give some kind of interaction to the colonial races, which might do things like increase your level in that province at the cost of a load of money, goods or pop, or something like that? Right now colonial racing literally is just click a button wait click again.
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