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Take a break, Flaky. Maybe eat some bread.
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Flaky tell us about a successful diet that you have followed that has led to weight loss, or if you are a healthy weight, tell us about a successful diet that you have followed that has led to a healthy and enjoyable life
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Dec 22, 2015 02:35
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Flaky should come back to YLLS and call me a shill again when I point out how unreliable self-reported food intake data is
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Dec 22, 2015 06:14
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I just don't understand what possible other motive you might have for trying to prove a point using a paper entirely, 100% funded by Coke. Even fishmech probably would have investigated conflicts of interest in the literature he was quoting. You're either a shill or an idiot 
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Dec 22, 2015 06:21
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Flaky posted:"personal anecdote" Lol I'm well aware that my anecdote isn't data, but it can provide a focus for further posting and lends context to a conversational discussion like, say, a thread on something awful. Others posted personal anecdotes and I was interested and encouraged, and so I did the same in case others were interested. If you aren't interested, you can ignore it or gently caress right off. Willpower is obviously poor shorthand for a complex group of ideas if this were a scientific paper, but as it is a discussion with humans rather than robots, the point should be clear in context. Only a moron or disingenuous troll would read anything posted on this thread as willpower magically affecting weight through some sort of lipokenesis woo. You can eat what you want IF you can confine it to a limited amount of calories per [time unit], which requires information, planning, and responsible choices on other food. This just means no type of food is categorically off limits. Sometimes it's hard to make those plans or choices because of stress, money, time, or ignorance. I have proposed remedies to all of those barriers upthread. Absent those barriers, or edge case psychological issues, it is indeed merely a matter of willpower to resist a second donut or whatever it is you crave which would put you over your calorie goal. The idea that maintaining a caloric deficit requires a clinical setting is preposterous. I grant that it would be more difficult to manage under the deleterious conditions I mention above. Obviously, of course, once a goal weight is reached the deficit needs to be increased to a rough equality.
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Since you're so keen on anecdote, can you please explain how TheBalor managed to maintain a caloric deficit of something like 50-60% for several months without any great effort or getting hungry please? He was apparently tracking his calories so his data could reasonably be considered accurate.TheBalor posted:While monotonous, it was very filling, to the point where it wasn't too great a hardship to end some days on 1100-1200 calories. Because I think if you adapted your theorising to be able to explain that piece of evidence, you would basically be agreeing with me. Flaky fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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Dec 22, 2015 09:18
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Drink water when you are hungry, or eat fruit and vegetables
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Dec 22, 2015 09:21
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Go away, Flaky. I had this beautiful post on NHANES all set up, and now I know it's just going to get drowned out by shitposting.
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Dec 22, 2015 09:24
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Please post it. I think you are at least capable of being convinced based on evidence, or at least devoting enough time to hear both sides of what is a very complex scientific argument. Plus you sound like someone who may be in a position to actually make a difference, which is an added bonus.
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Dec 22, 2015 09:42
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Discendo Vox posted:Go away, Flaky. I had this beautiful post on NHANES all set up, and now I know it's just going to get drowned out by shitposting. 
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Dec 22, 2015 09:56
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Flaky posted:Since you're so keen on anecdote, can you please explain how TheBalor managed to maintain a caloric deficit of something like 50-60% for several months without any great effort or getting hungry please? He was apparently tracking his calories so his data could reasonably be considered accurate. I never said I maintained that all the time. I said it wasn't too great a hardship sometimes. Also, did you read my first post? I said that my weight loss has continued at pretty much the same pace now that I'm just on calorie restriction. It is slower than what I experienced in the first month or two of the diet, but I would expect a 300+ lb man to lose weight faster than someone closer to 200. In terms of what I've been experiencing for the past few months, it's the same.
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Dec 22, 2015 11:59
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would you say you were equalling the calorie restriction though? Or finding it as easy? What made you decide to start counting calories?
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Dec 22, 2015 12:15
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Flaky posted:would you say you were equalling the calorie restriction though? Or finding it as easy? What made you decide to start counting calories? Like I said in my larger post, I wasn't counting calories at all to start, just carbs, so I can't tell you if I'm equalizing the restriction. I only started counting calories in late August because my progress had slowed down, so I wanted to be more rigorous. I wouldn't say it was terribly difficult, just expensive (in Korea) and monotonous.
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Flaky, are you trying to make a point or just trying to poo poo on the guy for sharing a story I honestly can't tell.
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Nevvy Z posted:Flaky, are you trying to make a point or just trying to poo poo on the guy for sharing a story I honestly can't tell. I'm not clear, though I'm happy to admit my post was rambling. The point of my story was just that I lost weight on low carb/calorie restriction, got tired of it and switched to calorie restriction alone, and have continued to lose weight. Tangerines can be part of my diet again, and I am content. TheBalor fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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Dec 22, 2015 17:03
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Control Volume posted:Flaky tell us about a successful diet that you have followed that has led to weight loss, or if you are a healthy weight, tell us about a successful diet that you have followed that has led to a healthy and enjoyable life Flaky can you do this thing? Thank
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Am i wrong in assuming the consensus in this thread is that obesity has nothing to do with diet, exercise, lack of exercise or poor living habits? Because that's what the platitude of reading the last few pages and the first pages of this thread say...and it scares the poo poo out of me that some seem to think that they are just the poor victim of an immaterial curse. Has anyone in here tried a vegan diet? It provides plenty of fill and isn't as calorie dense as a the standard north american diet.
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You are wrong and veganism is not a go to for cal deficits; it'll rather just make it harder to get all your IDAA.
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Dec 22, 2015 20:41
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Lots of fat fucks in tcutethread
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Coylter posted:Am i wrong in assuming the consensus in this thread is that obesity has nothing to do with diet, exercise, lack of exercise or poor living habits? The consensus prior to Flaky's arrival and low-carb shitposting was that caloric intake (diet) and output(exercise) are the main determinants of weight change. A tide of new, bad posters have followed him in like a foul wind. Please don't be one of them.
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Mr. Wookums posted:You are wrong and veganism is not a go to for cal deficits; it'll rather just make it harder to get all your IDAA. The point isn't to go for cal deficits, the point is eating food that doesn't make you sick. Since a vegan diet has more volume you'll feel full and your digestive track will have to work to push all that poo poo down. Also i don't understand your point about IDAA.
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Dec 22, 2015 20:56
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Coylter posted:The point isn't to go for cal deficits, the point is eating food that doesn't make you sick. Since a vegan diet has more volume you'll feel full and your digestive track will have to work to push all that poo poo down. Also i don't understand your point about IDAA.
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Coylter posted:Am i wrong in assuming the consensus in this thread is that obesity has nothing to do with diet, exercise, lack of exercise or poor living habits? Vegan diets are a great way to get actual broad-spectrum malnutrition if you're not diligent about seeking out appropriate plant/non-animal sources of various things, which aren't easy to get in common plant derived foods.
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Dec 22, 2015 21:04
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Yes eating vegetables is bad for you
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Coylter posted:Am i wrong in assuming the consensus in this thread is that obesity has nothing to do with diet, exercise, lack of exercise or poor living habits? "A vegan diet" can include a hell of a lot of beer, oreos, caramelized peanuts, etc. and will not include sufficient amounts of many key nutrients unless you devote a lot of time and effort into ensuring otherwise. Going vegan for health reasons is dumb as all hell.
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JFairfax posted:Yes eating vegetables is bad for you Is this where we stand in this discussion? Seriously, if you eat vegan and suffer from malnutrition you might also be giant idiot which is a much more important and immediate problem. Bryter posted:"A vegan diet" can include a hell of a lot of beer, oreos, caramelized peanuts, etc. and will not include sufficient amounts of many key nutrients unless you devote a lot of time and effort into ensuring otherwise. I'm not advocating idiocy... I might have shot too large saying vegan, what i really mean is a whole food diet. Which is a substrate of veganism if you want. Mr. Wookums posted:Ah I didn't know a trait of veganism was that the gravity of the food was so low it was impossible to overeat. Thanks. The point about IDAA is that a vegan diet will literally make you sick from an almino acid deficiency. There are plenty of ways of getting amino acids in a vegan diet. Coylter fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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Coylter posted:I'm not advocating idiocy... Suggesting a vegan diet for weight loss is advocating idiocy. A whole food diet tends to include meat and eggs, which weren't vegan last time I checked! Coylter posted:There are plenty of ways of getting amino acids in a vegan diet. Those ways are really difficult to get into the habit of and maintain, it is stupidity to suggest that people who are already trying to break the habit of overeating add this unnecessary burden. Bryter fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Dec 22, 2015 |
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Dec 22, 2015 21:17
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Bryter posted:Suggesting a vegan diet for weight loss is advocating idiocy. http://www.amazon.ca/Whole-Rethinking-Nutrition-Colin-Campbell/dp/1937856240 This is my definition of whole diet: Fruits, vegetables, starch, beans, lentils etc... poo poo that grows from plants and isn't processed. edit: eating beans is difficult to get into a habit? what?
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Coylter posted:
I would like you to define this. Coylter posted:
And all of them require a lot more work then having a small bit of animal foods every so often, which is why vegetarianism is preferable for the average person. Coylter posted:http://www.amazon.ca/Whole-Rethinking-Nutrition-Colin-Campbell/dp/1937856240 So it's so random fad diet, well ok. I'll remind you that "processed" is a meaningless adjective for food.
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fishmech posted:I would like you to define this. Look up my previous post and eating beans, soy beans, flax seeds etc. isn't hard. It simply isn't.
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Dec 22, 2015 21:25
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Look eating sensible portions of unprocessed food and exercising will not help you loose weight. You loving idiots this is why we need fat shaming more and more
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Dec 22, 2015 21:25
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JFairfax posted:Look eating sensible portions of unprocessed food and exercising will not help you loose weight. Yes because humans have always had an obesity problem...oh i forgot, its the loving air. Vegans have lower BMI than any other diet. edit: i came across this guy on youtube who's pretty entertaining and links all of his sources. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmRiUB3tLSY
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I want to see a convoy of rascals tumbling off the golden gate bridge and flooding San Francisco with an obese driven tsunami
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Coylter posted:Yes because humans have always had an obesity problem...oh i forgot, its the loving air.
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Fat people. Eat less. Exercise more
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Mr. Wookums posted:I believe you'll see that the holocaust diet had a lower BMI back in the 40's. Climbing new heights of discourse here with the godwin.
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Coylter posted:edit: eating beans is difficult to get into a habit? what? "Eat beans" is not adequate nutritional planning for a vegan diet, and in any case eating beans is, in fact, pretty difficult to start and stick to for many people who do not have the time or knowledge to prepare them in a way that is not incredibly boring and bland.
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Bryter posted:Going vegan for health reasons is dumb as all hell. When a vegan diet has negative health effects, doesn't it technically count as an eating disorder? A for-the-most-part-socially-accepted form of orthorexia? I'm disinclined to call behavior expressing a mental illness "dumb".
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Coylter posted:Climbing new heights of discourse here with the godwin.
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Bryter posted:"Eat beans" is not adequate nutritional planning for a vegan diet, and in any case eating beans is, in fact, pretty difficult to start and stick to for many people who do not have the time or knowledge to prepare them in a way that is not incredibly boring and bland. What did you seriously take that as a "Eat only beans" statement. They sell them in a can which you can mix with tomato paste or something and are absolutely fine to eat. I ate cans of straight beans as my lunch for over a year and they never lost their appeal. Beans are delicious. Mr. Wookums posted:Which is sadly perfectly sound with your logic. Yes, people who do not eat have a low BMI. It's important to have a diet that is conductive to living. Jesus loving christ.
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